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Rear License Plate Filler Panel - early w124.036 ?

Jlaa

Active member
Were all the european specifications early 500Es delivered WITHOUT the license plate panel?

See the comparison here between one with and one without.

The one without has always looked cleaner to me - more unadulterated. I wonder if reverting to this is as simple as removing the plastic panel, and buying and installing the black strip on the underside...?
 

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gerryvz

Site Honcho
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There is a “Euro” trunk lid with a wider cutout for longer European license plates, as you show. It’s a separate part number than the one for US models. I believe it’s in the EPC.

Same thing with the facelift cars —separate parts.
 

2phast

Active member
Pre 90 W124's did not come with the filler piece, which could be added. You can also remove yours as well, if you like that look. The filler piece was integrated into the trunk lid on the facelift trunks.
 

sheward

Active member
I'm waiting for a storm to pass so I can warm my car up for an oil change. Filler plate is off for the final polishing and there is no where to mount a plate. You would have to drill holes to mount your US plate as the mounting holes are in the filler plate.

The holes visible are for the filler plate. They are about 2 inches too wide for a US plate. I suppose a bracket could be made.

drew
 

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Jlaa

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I'm waiting for a storm to pass so I can warm my car up for an oil change. Filler plate is off for the final polishing and there is no where to mount a plate. You would have to drill holes to mount your US plate as the mounting holes are in the filler plate.

The holes visible are for the filler plate. They are about 2 inches too wide for a US plate. I suppose a bracket could be made.

drew
Thanks for the pic! Well...that sucks. I always felt like the pre-90 non facelift models have a more harmonious looking rear - the black line at the bottom edge of the trunk lid “connects” the tailights visually speaking. On the US cars, this line is not there.
 

captruff

Active member
Were all the european specifications early 500Es delivered WITHOUT the license plate panel?

See the comparison here between one with and one without.

The one without has always looked cleaner to me - more unadulterated. I wonder if reverting to this is as simple as removing the plastic panel, and buying and installing the black strip on the underside...?
Part# 124 758 03 46

List $270.00

Jeff
 

2phast

Active member
Thanks for the pic! Well...that sucks. I always felt like the pre-90 non facelift models have a more harmonious looking rear - the black line at the bottom edge of the trunk lid “connects” the tailights visually speaking. On the US cars, this line is not there.
The plate would not mount directly to the deck lid, there is a metal mounting frame that mounts to the deck lid and then you mount the plate to the mounting frame.

http://www.oldbenz.co/license-plate-bracket-w124-w201-1248170011
 

Jlaa

Active member
Perfect guys! There is no more knowledgeable corner of the Interwebz than here!
 

Jlaa

Active member
ote --- Just to be clear, I think you guys are saying the following right?

<EDIT --- PREVIOUSLY LOOKED AT 300CE DIAGRAM WHICH IS WRONG, ALSO LOOOKED AT 300E WHICH IS WRONG>
<EDIT2 --- PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED THE UPPER HANDLE NOT THE LOWER HANDLE>
<EDIT3 --- ALL THE PREVIOUSLY AMASSED INFORMATION WAS WRONG. NOW CORRECTED AS I FOUND THE RIGHT DIAGRAM>


Part 124 690 27 62 is the black strip at the bottom of the trunk lid seen in the pic of the silver car @ the top of the thread. This is item #3 in the diagram below

Part 005 988 75 78 (need 6 of them) are the clips that mount the black strip to the trunk lid

Part 124 817 00 11 would be needed to mount a US license plate to the bolt holes that sheward shows in his picture --- these holes would otherwise be used to mount the US filler panel
 

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JC220

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I can assist with photos of these items. I have a few spare Euro rear filler pieces. Note that the pre facelift w124 saloons here did not come with these from factory. The C124 models however did come with them fitted from factory even up to the 1995 model years. The trim will also fit a w124 saloon perfectly. (I intend to use one with my 3 piece AMG spoiler as I think it looks better with this fitted)

To fit this you would first pry off the little black metal strip at the lower trunk edge. Then this panel clips back into those lower holes. And the original 4 screw bosses on the trunk lid butt up to the back of the panel. The licence plate screws in effect secure the rest of this panel.

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Jlaa

Active member
For anyone with a NON US Market car, can you do me a favor and peek at the part number for this piece below (highlighted in red)? Is it 124 750 04 93? Many thanks.

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Jlaa

Active member
Now that I have fixed all the part numbers / diagrams in post #9, I found some more pictures that illustrates what I'm after:

These pictures (I found on GSXR's website) are of a pre-facelift European-spec 500E that is now living in the States. I suspect all pre-facelift 500Es were supposed to like this ... (before they got imported to the USA that is!)

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And this is the license plate bracket that makes it work.

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The outer holes are for bolting the metal bracket into the European-number-plate-mounting-holes in the trunk sheetmetal. The inner holes are for mounting the US-style license plate. Note that this is the same look as the original "Series 1" W124 sedans (1989 and prior?).

I prefer this style - I like the negative space in between the tail lights as originally drawn by Bruno Sacco. When MB filled in this negative space with the plastic license plate filler panels, the negative space was lost.
 

Rouven036

.036 Info God (aka "Big R")
As stated, all pre face-lift cars came without the filler panel. Never a standard on a saloon model. However with the face-lift MB saved some money for not making updated trunk lids for the coupes and convertibles (both differ from each other as well as both differ from the saloon version) since they have a quite smaller production number. Instead the filler plate was used - which fits also saloon pre face-lift trunk lids.

For me, the pre face-lift design widens the body visually due to the horizontal lines of trunk handle strip (upper) and lower edge strip compared to the face-lift trunk with the short chrome strip which gives me the impression that it makes the cars rear end looks taller or higher. The filler plates keep somehow the horizontal lines or at least the upper one intakt. Have a filler panel for my car too but will not mount it - at least for now.
 
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2phast

Active member
FWIW, most states have laws against having a license plate on your car issued by a foreign government, even if your actual plate is on top of it. You may want to check on that where you live. In Washington, its a large ticket and running a euro plate on the front of your car actually nets you two tickets, one for the foreign plate and one for no front WA state plate. Also, having the euro plate in your window is also a ticket, at least in my state.
 

Dario

Active member
FWIW, most states have laws against having a license plate on your car issued by a foreign government, even if your actual plate is on top of it. You may want to check on that where you live. In Washington, its a large ticket and running a euro plate on the front of your car actually nets you two tickets, one for the foreign plate and one for no front WA state plate. Also, having the euro plate in your window is also a ticket, at least in my state.
that was just for picture taking. This is how i drive when I drive it which is rarily.
 

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Twilling

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For anyone with a NON US Market car, can you do me a favor and peek at the part number for this piece below (highlighted in red)? Is it 124 750 04 93? Many thanks.
I have a new part as spare and it has the part no A1246902762
 

Jlaa

Active member
Isn't it funny how the grass is greener on the other side of the fence?

I have reverted my car to a more "original" specification. I deleted the US-license-filler-panel and have now wrapped it up and kept it in storage for safe keeping (as it has a VIN sticker on it.)

I added part number 124.690.27.62, which is the black line below the license plate, and then I scrounged and refinished a US license plate bracket from the junkyard, part 124.817.00.11.

Since the front is more or less European specification, the rear is now also more-or-less European specification. (Let's not get picky about the side marker lights okay? :) )

Before and after below ---- very continental. :) :)

To my eye, the extra black line @ the bottom of the trunk lid reduces the visual mass of the rear --- it makes the rear look wider.
As well, the negative space now which extends from left to right taillight reinforces the visual width and makes the rear of the car look less monolithic --- it visually has less mass.

Just an OCD little project.

The side benefit is that the boot-lid-shut-sound has now improved in quality. It now has a more-crisp thunk. This is because the original US-style plastic license plate filler is a bit flimsy and can vibrate and create noise while the lid is being shut. Without it, the sound is more discrete - no vibrations. Also, the boot lid springs now open the boot lid with a bit more vigor since there is less weight.

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Jlaa

Active member
The full width negative space drawn by Sacco back in the early 80s for the first series of w124 now seems to be making a come back, 30 years later. This is one of the reasons why I think the w124 is timeless --- design details that are now being adopted 30 years on and presented as modern and crisp!

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TerryA

Active member
Jlaa,

I know this was a lot of work for you but I prefer the filler panel.

To me the black line at the bottom is to busy on the ‘Arrest Me Red’ color.

Also, I think the US plate looks lost on the wide Euro panel.

Sorry :runexe:
 

Jlaa

Active member
Jlaa,

I know this was a lot of work for you but I prefer the filler panel.
To me the black line at the bottom is to busy on the ‘Arrest Me Red’ color.
Also, I think the US plate looks lost on the wide Euro panel.

Sorry :runexe:
That's okay. We can get along even if your opinion is clearly wrong <j/k>. :agree: :hugs: I mean, c'mon, I don't make fun of Orange County right? (Or maybe I secretly desire to move to Orange County.....)

Actually there is a reason to my madness. To my eye, there's just too much red on the car. Especially since the lower sacco panels are the same color red (and not a contrasting color). Therefore, the black bumper rub strips, the black door handle, all the black trim on the car helps break up the red so that the eye still sees red, but sees it as non-contiguous red.

In my day job I obsess over architectural details - how the eye perceives space. Reframe doors to 8' tall in order to make a house with 8' ceilings seem higher. Extend the bathroom vanity mirror to the ceiling, again, to make the ceiling seem higher and more airy. Push recessed lights as close to the wall as possible, so that light can wash down a tiled wall, showing textural interest as the eye focuses on the shadow line created by the tiles. Cantilever the cabinetry off the wall, floating above the floor, in order to make the floor space appear more expansive....

I am sure I am not the only one here who makes sure all the slotted screw heads in the house are all parallel .... :cool:
 

Klink

postwhore posterchild
Staff member
Messed with this one myself a number of years ago. When they are standing alone, whichever one I'm seeing at the time is the one I like better. Looking at both at once, I think Jlaa is right...
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JC220

Active member
That's okay. We can get along even if your opinion is clearly wrong <j/k>. :agree: :hugs: I mean, c'mon, I don't make fun of Orange County right? (Or maybe I secretly desire to move to Orange County.....)

Actually there is a reason to my madness. To my eye, there's just too much red on the car. Especially since the lower sacco panels are the same color red (and not a contrasting color). Therefore, the black bumper rub strips, the black door handle, all the black trim on the car helps break up the red so that the eye still sees red, but sees it as non-contiguous red.

In my day job I obsess over architectural details - how the eye perceives space. Reframe doors to 8' tall in order to make a house with 8' ceilings seem higher. Extend the bathroom vanity mirror to the ceiling, again, to make the ceiling seem higher and more airy. Push recessed lights as close to the wall as possible, so that light can wash down a tiled wall, showing textural interest as the eye focuses on the shadow line created by the tiles. Cantilever the cabinetry off the wall, floating above the floor, in order to make the floor space appear more expansive....

I am sure I am not the only one here who makes sure all the slotted screw heads in the house are all parallel .... :cool:
Are you an Architect Jlaa? I did not know we had more than one on here regular :)

PS I think the rear plate as it is now looks very, very nice. Much better than the plastic filler section IMO which somehow feels like a cheat or afterthought design to me.

On the other hand the euro trunk filler I can very much live with. Indeed I just shipped a euro rear filler across the pond.
 
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sheward

Active member
As the son of a designer/ clay modeler I am always looking at styling cues and interested in how our eyes interpret small details, as noted in your examples. FWIW I like everything about your 036. I would have to see it in real time to know which version I prefer. My car is currently void of the filler panel and inside trunk lid liner and it's surprising how both these very light pieces effect the opening springs. The lid pops up dangerously fast without both. I find the facelifted trunk lid more pleasing but I like the more iconic early grill so that's the way i'm assembling mine since I have both choices painted. I know this is blasphemous, but stay calm, it's completely reversible.

drew
 

captruff

Active member
Are you an Architect Jlaa? I did not know we had more than one on here regular :)

PS I think the rear plate as it is now looks very, very nice. Much better than the plastic filler section IMO which somehow feels like a cheat or afterthought design to me.

On the other hand the euro trunk filler I can very much live with. Indeed I just shipped a euro rear filler across the pond.
I also have the euro section for my 500E as well as 600Eric.

@JC220 the one you recently shipped I believe is for my friend with a W124 Cabriolet.

@Jlaa a super small detail, but have you changed your rear tails lenses to the euro versions as well? Takes a trained eye, but there is a small difference and is your current lenses are faded over the years it might be time to get new ;)

Jeff
 

Jlaa

Active member
Are you an Architect Jlaa? I did not know we had more than one on here regular :)
Ah, I am not - but I have worked with a number of them in the past so that I typically do my own drawings for my housing projects :)

As the son of a designer/ clay modeler I am always looking at styling cues and interested in how our eyes interpret small details, as noted in your examples. FWIW I like everything about your 036. I would have to see it in real time to know which version I prefer. My car is currently void of the filler panel and inside trunk lid liner and it's surprising how both these very light pieces effect the opening springs. The lid pops up dangerously fast without both. I find the facelifted trunk lid more pleasing but I like the more iconic early grill so that's the way i'm assembling mine since I have both choices painted. I know this is blasphemous, but stay calm, it's completely reversible.

drew
Thank you. One thing I was not expecting was the condition of the paint behind the plastic license plate panel. After removing the plastic panel and cleaning the paint of years and years of accumulated grime, I found the paint to be in perfect condition --- albeit with LOTS AND LOTS of orange peel! Tons of it! It was very very obvious. I do not know if the whole car had this much orange peel when new (with the exposed panels being polished to a more smooth level in the past 25 years) or if the factory just skipped a step in polishing this panel since the car was destined for the US market and the panel would be covered.

Anyways I ended up wet sanding the panel with 2000 grit and polishing, and then again wet sanding and polishing to get the panel to have an acceptable level of orange peel to match the surrounding paint.

I also have the euro section for my 500E as well as 600Eric.

@Jlaa a super small detail, but have you changed your rear tails lenses to the euro versions as well? Takes a trained eye, but there is a small difference and is your current lenses are faded over the years it might be time to get new ;)

Jeff
Ah, @Captruff - no doubt you are pointing this picture below out to me --- which you educated me on with your W201 in Monterey of this year. If one removes these bulbs and puts on continental lenses, does the Bulb Out Warning Relay under the hood freak out?

Also - are the continental lenses more orange than the US lenses (like how the fronts are?)

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gsxr

.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin
Staff member
If you remove BOTH sides of the marker bulbs from a USA-spec car, the idiot light in the dash should remain off. I have Euro tails in my '87 300D which is how I learned this. The lens, reflector, and bulb holder are all different... and, Euro tails do not have yellow turn signal lenses.

:rugby:
 

Jlaa

Active member
If you remove BOTH sides of the marker bulbs from a USA-spec car, the idiot light in the dash should remain off. I have Euro tails in my '87 300D which is how I learned this. The lens, reflector, and bulb holder are all different... and, Euro tails do not have yellow turn signal lenses.

:rugby:
Thanks! When you say that the European tails do not have yellow lenses, are you meaning that they have orange lenses?
 

gsxr

.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin
Staff member
Thanks! When you say that the European tails do not have yellow lenses, are you meaning that they have orange lenses?
Nope. Gray / clear / whatever. Pics attached, 86-93 USA vs [94-95] Euro.

EDIT: Euro lens shown in photo below is from a facelift Euro model. 86-93 Euros also had the yellow/amber turn signals. Sorry for the confusion!

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JC220

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Nope. Gray / clear / whatever. Pics attached, 86-93 USA vs Euro.

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Maybe I am picking this up wrong Dave but Euro models came with both amber tails and the darker / clear colour (in later years).

If anyone feels the need I have many spare & complete yuro tails. With lamp holders etc. I have pre facelift amber euro versions too but will not sell those. Several sets of facelift versions in perfect non faded condition. Or just the lamp holders can be supplied if someone is considering a euro upgrade. In the pic is approx half of the complete tail lamp assemblies. They are very dusty from many years of storage but trust me I only remove PERFECT lenses. A single mark on them and I don't bother.

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gsxr

.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin
Staff member
I thought that that Euro spec pre facelift 500Es (and other w124s) has orange/yellow turn signals???? See picture attached.
Jlaa, I believe you are correct... I thought the yellow/amber thing was USA-only, but apparently it was used in Yurrop as well, from what I can determine via the EPC.

The pics I posted above would be Euro tails for a facelifted Euro car; note the lack of corner marker rectangle in the lens.

:jelmerian: :doh:
 

Stevester 500E

Active member
Quite a tail light stash !
.... If anyone feels the need I have many spare & complete yuro tails. With lamp holders etc. I have pre facelift amber euro versions too but will not sell those. Several sets of facelift versions in perfect non faded condition. Or just the lamp holders can be supplied if someone is considering a euro upgrade. In the pic is approx half of the complete tail lamp assemblies. They are very dusty from many years of storage but trust me I only remove PERFECT lenses. A single mark on them and I don't bother. View attachment 81394
 

Stevester 500E

Active member
I have always wondered why MB went to a filler piece, and then face-lift trunk.

I like the face-lifted trunk, but I appreciate the Euro trunk, especially if the car is red or white.

...IMO which somehow feels like a cheat or afterthought design to me....
 
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gerryvz

Site Honcho
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That's okay. We can get along even if your opinion is clearly wrong <j/k>. :agree: :hugs: I mean, c'mon, I don't make fun of Orange County right? (Or maybe I secretly desire to move to Orange County.....)

Actually there is a reason to my madness. To my eye, there's just too much red on the car. Especially since the lower sacco panels are the same color red (and not a contrasting color). Therefore, the black bumper rub strips, the black door handle, all the black trim on the car helps break up the red so that the eye still sees red, but sees it as non-contiguous red.

In my day job I obsess over architectural details - how the eye perceives space.
How involved have you been with the Salesforce Transit Center project and the sinking SoMa tower?

:stickpoke:
 

Jlaa

Active member
How involved have you been with the Salesforce Transit Center project and the sinking SoMa tower?

:stickpoke:
What a disaster. Did you hear about the newest subway station too? They laid 3 miles of track underground. This was one of the most expensive subway stations ever built in the US because they used a huge tunneling machine to bore underground the densest neighborhood in the city --- Chinatown. Then, after they did that, they realized that the steel they used was the WRONG STEEL. Instead of high strength steel, they used regular strength steel.

So now they need to rip up three MILES of steel track UNDERGROUND and replace it.

:doh:
 

Jlaa

Active member
Jlaa, I believe you are correct... I thought the yellow/amber thing was USA-only, but apparently it was used in Yurrop as well, from what I can determine via the EPC.

The pics I posted above would be Euro tails for a facelifted Euro car; note the lack of corner marker rectangle in the lens.

:jelmerian: :doh:
Dude, what's up with the GSXR? I think it must have a memory leak somewhere. Its missing in action. Maybe you gotta reboot it or something --- very uncharacteristic of it.

:gsxr:
 

gerryvz

Site Honcho
Staff member
We indulge GSXR with an occasional GVZ-style memory leak — but only occasionally.

He is the forum record holder for Yellmerian Awards, though.

:gsxr2:
 

TerryA

Active member
That's okay. We can get along even if your opinion is clearly wrong <j/k>. :agree: :hugs: I mean, c'mon, I don't make fun of Orange County right? (Or maybe I secretly desire to move to Orange County.....)

Actually there is a reason to my madness. To my eye, there's just too much red on the car. Especially since the lower sacco panels are the same color red (and not a contrasting color). Therefore, the black bumper rub strips, the black door handle, all the black trim on the car helps break up the red so that the eye still sees red, but sees it as non-contiguous red.

In my day job I obsess over architectural details
No worries Jlaa, I can live with it. Your car still looks fantastic. I really love that ‘Arrest Me Red’ color.

Maybe people in SoCal are more into plastic?

FWIW, I have been staring at construction blueprints for 30 years. I have to estimate all of these Architect’s ‘Dreams & Nightmares’. Believe me when I say I have seen everything they can come up with. I spend plenty of time trying to interpret what they are trying to express and turn it into something I can build and still make a profit for the company.

lol
 
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