Best m119 Valve Cover colour?

[JC220]

I am thinking of a Metallic Silver powder coat finish to the valve covers for the Green Goddess (Nickname for the 140 S500 Coupe ) The exhaust headers will be a darker graphite silver.

What do you guys think - what is the best valve cover colour for an m119? OE? Satin or gloss? Pics?

I have an Almandine red w124 with matching valve cover which looks very nice. But maybe too much to match the green in this way.

Given my S500 140 coupe is Green in colour red would possibly look naf. Stick with a nice modern metallic Silver base coat and clear powdercoat laquer?

 

[JC220]

Green Goddess Engine bay for ref (Motor going in soon)



My Almandine 300E-24 with matching Valve Cover



All m119 Valve covers are aluminium right? At least I have found posts on the board stating this.... I initially figured they would be Magnesium like m104

 

[Stevester 500E]

The Almandine looks spectacular ! I would say green for the Green Goddess, but the valve covers are mostly hidden on M119's.
I have heard that the M119 valve covers are magnesium as well, but cant confirm.

 

[Stevester 500E]

Keep in mind that the distributor covers are black plastic, so I think a lighter color for contrast might be better for the green goddess.
I would go with Brilliant Silver or Porsche Silver

 

[JC220]

Keep in mind that the distributor covers are black plastic, so I think a lighter color for contrast might be better for the green goddess.
I would go with Brilliant Silver or Porsche Silver

Yes I'm thinking the same colour this company powder coated my Monoblocks with. I think it was a Ford Colour - to be fair they have really nice metallic Silver colour codes



And green ignition wires as a small homage to the paintwork

 

[JC220]

Hmmm - not avilable locally but Carbon Hydrodip might be possible but spendy



How amazing would that look though?

 

[gerryvz]

I have a nice set of red powder coated ones. Tried to sell but no one wanted to buy. I am going to put them on my car !

 

[nocfn]

I went with red covers to match my airbox on my Malachite

 

[JC220]

I made my choice. A Mettalic silver that looked very nice on other wheels the powdercoater had just done. Nice flake and depth to it.

He knows what he is doing for sure - he explained the process for magnesium coating. The valve covers will be fully masked up too so as no overspray would be on the underside. (Important if it ever flaked off inside it would contaminate the engine oil)

Photos will be posted when I get them back refinished

 

[Stevester 500E]

Awesome! Sounds like this guy knows what he is doing. I can't stand over-spray, and there isn't much of an excuse for it on an off car part of this size.... or any single off car part.

 

[nocfn]

When GVZ had mine done, there was no overspray, perfectly executed.

 

[JC220]

Here they are back at last! Mettalic silver powdercoat

 

[gsxr]

Joe, does the coating hold up at the bolt holes, where the copper washers seat? I've seen some coatings fail around this area, although it generally isn't noticeable. Shame MB didn't locate those bolts outside the oil-bath area.

 

[JC220]

Joe, does the coating hold up at the bolt holes, where the copper washers seat? I've seen some coatings fail around this area, although it generally isn't noticeable. Shame MB didn't locate those bolts outside the oil-bath area.

I won't know for about 3 - 4 weeks Dave. I will need to install the motor first with a spare set of valve covers set on. Then install these last to ensure they don't get marked with my hoist chains etc.

So I will report back at that stage. But yes - as you state in my experience any coating on the valve covers will always fracture / chip at the bolt locations. It is what it is. Sometimes the copper washers do allow the finish to compress rather than break it off so it's hard to tell.

 

[JC220]

Joe, does the coating hold up at the bolt holes, where the copper washers seat? I've seen some coatings fail around this area, although it generally isn't noticeable. Shame MB didn't locate those bolts outside the oil-bath area.

Finally got to this stage. And Dave, yes this powdercoat finish held up AOK.

Full pics will appear in my owners thread this weekend. These valve covers look awesome. In particular with the original parts re zinc plated in combination with the new copper washers = Epic.

 

[gsxr]

That's hardcore bolt p0rn, Joe! Wish I had access to a shop that plated fasteners. Nice thing about installing the VC's with the engine out, you can properly torque every bolt. I go over all 9 in a Kriss-Kross pattern at least twice. With clean surfaces and new gaskets, they almost *never* leak.

 

[744Brillantsilber]

@JC220: I hope you do not mind me digging up this old thread of yours!
I want to have some M119 valve covers and a M111 Kompressor valve cover powder coated, but my "go to" powder coater does not do Magnesium.

Do you mind telling me who did yours and what the roundabout costs were?
Are you still satisfied with the result?

I would appreciate your help!

 

[gerryvz]

I don't know why a powder coater wouldn't coat magnesium. I've had TWO different powder coaters in Texas and here in Maryland do M104 and M119 valve covers and they have been fine.

All of them have warned me up front about "out-gassing" and that it could lead to the coating not working, and that magnesium is more difficult to coat than steel or aluminum, but to date I have not seen any problems. I am getting ready to put the red valve covers on my M119, which I had coated about two years ago. I know that @nocfn is using a red set that I had coated when I lived in Texas, around late 2016 / early 2017.

 

[JC220]

@JC220: I hope you do not mind me digging up this old thread of yours!
I want to have some M119 valve covers and a M111 Kompressor valve cover powder coated, but my "go to" powder coater does not do Magnesium.

Do you mind telling me who did yours and what the roundabout costs were?
Are you still satisfied with the result?

I would appreciate your help!

Hi, no problem at all! Pics below



It was a guy in Northern Ireland did them - maybe not much use to you. He knows me so the cost was lower than normal at about £40gbp total. (There was vapour blasting on other parts at the same time I'm estimating what these were in the bunch)

He is an alloy wheel refurb dude turns out hundreds of wheels a week. Has proper powdercoating walk in ovens etc. He is familiar with magnesium powder coating and wasnt too bothered by it. I did not know for sure what material they were so he said he would treat them as if they are magnesium to be on the safe side.

He used appropriate materials and said he needed to allow for extra "off gassing" time etc due to this material.

The finish is very nice, flawless. And has held up to the bolts being torqued and a couple months of driving. (Full heat cycles)

 

[744Brillantsilber]

I don't know why a powder coater wouldn't coat magnesium. I've had TWO different powder coaters in Texas and here in Maryland do M104 and M119 valve covers and they have been fine.

All of them have warned me up front about "out-gassing" and that it could lead to the coating not working, and that magnesium is more difficult to coat than steel or aluminum, but to date I have not seen any problems. I am getting ready to put the red valve covers on my M119, which I had coated about two years ago. I know that @nocfn is using a red set that I had coated when I lived in Texas, around late 2016 / early 2017.

Yes, he talked about out-gassing and said he never did magnesium parts so far (mostly does wheels and suspension parts). His is not sure about the result and I do not want to be the first he tries it for. It would be very dissapointing to end up with three covers that all flake of again after a short time.
JC220s covers look great, and I prefer sending the parts to someone who did magnesium before a few times with a known good result.

 

[744Brillantsilber]

Hi, no problem at all! Pics below

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It was a guy in Northern Ireland did them - maybe not much use to you. He knows me so the cost was lower than normal at about £40gbp total. (There was vapour blasting on other parts at the same time I'm estimating what these were in the bunch)

He is an alloy wheel refurb dude turns out hundreds of wheels a week. Has proper powdercoating walk in ovens etc. He is familiar with magnesium powder coating and wasnt too bothered by it. I did not know for sure what material they were so he said he would treat them as if they are magnesium to be on the safe side.

He used appropriate materials and said he needed to allow for extra "off gassing" time etc due to this material.

The finish is very nice, flawless. And has held up to the bolts being torqued and a couple months of driving. (Full heat cycles)

Thank you very much for your opinion and pictures!
Ireland would be no problem, since it is part of the EU. I will do some research regarding shipping and customs the Northern Ireland.
Maybe it is not that bad and worth sending them to him!

 

[JC220]

Thank you very much for your opinion and pictures!
Ireland would be no problem, since it is part of the EU. I will do some research regarding shipping and customs the Northern Ireland.
Maybe it is not that bad and worth sending them to him!

OK if you decide to go ahead PM me on here and I'll give you his details. I'm sure he would accommodate them being posted. Check Transglobal express for the best shipping rates.

 

[gerryvz]

Dead on. I find spare valve covers for M119s regularly here at the wrecking yards schrottplätze, so a replacement set to me is no problem (I have two sets as spares now, including my original ones I just took off the car, which I won't paint). Why don't you get a spare set and have him do them? Then you can keep the ones you have.

 

[gerryvz]

Thank you very much for your opinion and pictures!
Ireland would be no problem, since it is part of the EU. I will do some research regarding shipping and customs the Northern Ireland.
Maybe it is not that bad and worth sending them to him!

Northern Ireland is part of the UK, not the EU, for what it's worth (officially called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, to be precise).

Ireland is part of the European Union, correct.

@JC220 lives in Northern Ireland, so he is officially a subject of the Crown.

 

[744Brillantsilber]

OK if you decide to go ahead PM me on here and I'll give you his details. I'm sure he would accommodate them being posted. Check Transglobal express for the best shipping rates.

Thank you very much for your offer!! I will shoot you a PM if I decide to send them to him!

I get it. I find spare valve covers for M119s regularly here at the wrecking yards schrottplätze, so a replacement set to me is no problem (I have two sets as spares now, including my original ones I just took off the car, which I won't paint). Why don't you get a spare set and have him do them? Then you can keep the ones you have.

Yes, that is the plan for both the M119 and M111!
Get a 2nd set, get it coated, swap the M111 cover and keep the M119 covers till the engine gets worked on.

Do you know if the different M119 cover parts numbers are all the same and interchangeable (on .970,.972,.974. and .975)?

Northern Ireland is part of the UK, not the EU, for what it's worth (officially called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, to be precise).

Ireland is part of the European Union, correct.

@JC220 lives in Northern Ireland, so he is officially a subject of the Crown.

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Good to know! JCs signature reads Ireland only. So I guessed it is the Ireland which is part of the EU. My bad

@JC220: Sorry! I do not want to hijack your thread man!! My appologizes

 

[JC220]

Northern Ireland is part of the UK, not the EU, for what it's worth (officially called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, to be precise).

Ireland is part of the European Union, correct.

@JC220 lives in Northern Ireland, so he is officially a subject of the Crown.

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That's a good one Gerry thanks for the chuckle!

NI has a somewhat special, yet to be decided relationship with the EU. For this year anyway there are NO customs charges for sending goods to and from Europe from NI that I am aware of.

I am an Irish citizen, holding an Irish Passport

 

[gerryvz]

So you live in Ireland, and not Northern Ireland? All this time I've been sending parts packages to the wrong country. How could I have gotten it so wrong ?!?

 

[gerryvz]

Good to know! JCs signature reads Ireland only. So I guessed it is the Ireland which is part of the EU. My bad

@JC220: Sorry! I do not want to hijack your thread man!! My appologizes

Do note that his flag under his avatar is a UK flag, not the Irish flag that he put in his "signature." So that means that technically he is accessing the Internet from Ulster UK-governed territory, not the Republic of Ireland.

Unless he's using a VPN to hide his location.

Seems we may have a flare-up of "The Troubles" here on the 500Eboard? I promise I'm not Gerry Adams, though ;-) Though my name, semi-fittingly, is "Gearoid" in Irish...

 

[JC220]

Do note that his flag under his avatar is a UK flag, not the Irish flag that he put in his "signature." So that means that technically he is accessing the Internet from Ulster UK-governed territory, not the Republic of Ireland.

I just want to keep you all off the scent of my hoard Gerry and keep you guessing

 

[gerryvz]

I just want to keep you all off the scent of my hoard Gerry and keep you guessing

I actually do have a couple of friends in the PSNI (ex-RUC) .... hmmm....

 

[744Brillantsilber]

NI has a somewhat special, yet to be decided relationship with the EU. For this year anyway there are NO customs charges for sending goods to and from Europe from NI that I am aware of.

Good to know. Thanks for the information!

 

[FUN500]

Once I have seen that type of covers, without any coating, looks nice. Especially per quarantine l, many people have a lot of time to do it without any expenses, all that you need is a sandpaper)))

 

[744Brillantsilber]

Once I have seen that type of covers, without any coating, looks nice. Especially per quarantine l, many people have a lot of time to do it without any expenses, all that you need is a sandpaper)))

They look cool, thanks for sharing!
But I wonder how unprotected magnesium will react and look like after a while? Especially in damp atmosphere and with galvanic corrosion where it is in contact with other metals.

 

[TerryA]

They look cool, thanks for sharing!
But I wonder how unprotected magnesium will react and look like after a while? Especially in damp atmosphere and with galvanic corrosion where it is in contact with other metals.

I’d say GREEN unless you keep polishing them.

 

[Jlaa]

Northern Ireland is part of the UK, not the EU, for what it's worth (officially called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, to be precise).

Ireland is part of the European Union, correct.

@JC220 lives in Northern Ireland, so he is officially a subject of the Crown.

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Yes but just look at the flag that @JC220 flies. We know where his heart lies, and its not with the queen!




<JOKING JOKING --- ALL KIDDING HERE>

 

[744Brillantsilber]

I’d say GREEN unless you keep polishing them.

Yes, M119 valve covers in the bright green of the German green party! Quite a statement

 

[gerryvz]

@JC220 must have a hell of a beaming machine that transports him at will between Ulster and the Republic !! Or is it a Spruce Mafia 140 coupe?