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If only the 500E had the M119.960 with mechanical CIS injection instead of EFI

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.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin, @DITOG
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at least, that's what Pierre opines. Start at 5:15... the 500E mention is at 6:15.

:facepalm:

 
... and is far easier to diagnose & repair vs mechanical/CIS, contrary to what he says in the video. I was really surprised to hear him say what he said.

:yayo:
 
I think the very earliest CIS powered M119 engines that were put in the R129 made 322hp vs the 315hp in my 98 SL500. Of course mine had more gears and distributor less ignition so it should be a little more spritely.
 
How many cars made in the last 15 or so years have a CIS style fuel system vs EFI? There’s the answer.

Pierre is smitten with older Mercedes models and mechanical simplicity and legendary MB quality. He has disdain for any pre-merger AMG as blasphemous meddling of a pure Mercedes.

I totally am ok with embracing the quality aspect of older chassis and to a degree the insane introduction of electronic controllers and systems that permeate newer cars, but he takes his views to a questionable level, as in this case.
 
He is technically correct that a 329hp (245kw) version of the M119.960 did exist, but this was the non-catalyst version... I don't know where they were sold, but it certainly wasn't USA. I suspect very few were delivered.

Funny that he doesn't like the R129, but loves the engine which was only available in the R129.

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That's the motor that some have put into the 126, right? IIRC it is the rare engine swap that is substantially more power, bettter fuel economy, and likely easier to fix/maintain and acquire parts for. Maybe an LS Swap into a 944 gets you that holy trinity, but my S2 got high 20 mpgs so I'd be surprised.
 
Electronics make a difficult job simple. You can plug a scan tool and it will tell you exactly what's wrong.
The exception for this is Bentley and Rolls Royce who instead of sticking with motronic or another Bosch system decided to use Zytec so that nobody knows what to do with it and you need a $3000 scan tool to get basic readings.
 
Electronics make a difficult job simple. You can plug a scan tool and it will tell you exactly what's wrong.
The exception for this is Bentley and Rolls Royce who instead of sticking with motronic or another Bosch system decided to use Zytec so that nobody knows what to do with it and you need a $3000 scan tool to get basic readings.
Well, in most cases yes. We replaced our DD this summer and stepped over to full electric, a 2022 Volvo XC40 Recharge Pro, 5700 km on the odo, complete option list and in mint condition. After a week we got flashing error messages which developed to several times a day, causing a full stop & go every time. The car was handed in and we got an identical demo car as a temporary replacement and were happy with that. On Wednesday this week we picked up our car – after 10 weeks at the workshop!! After close to 40 hours diagnosis work in close cooperation with the Volvo factory, replacing various components and hours of test driving, it solved by replacing a control unit – which didn't throw any codes..? All was covered by Volvo and with a splended service BTW.
Maybe not a direct comparison to this discussion, however a parallel about the electronic gremlins driving the show from time to time.:miserable:
 
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He is technically correct that a 329hp (245kw) version of the M119.960 did exist, but this was the non-catalyst version... I don't know where they were sold, but it certainly wasn't USA. I suspect very few were delivered.
Hi Dave,

Just for information, there is/was a BW.org R129 sub-forum member from Malaysia, that had an R129066/M119960 that had an original non-cat version.
 

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