New EPC subscriber needs help translating/navigating

[linjam]

Up until this week I have for years been using dealer and other sites to do part searches. Despite the lack of reliability of availability and on which part is for which car, these sites are very easy to navigate.

This week, I signed up for the Daimler EPC/XPPIS system, which I had not known was now available in web browser form.

So, I am now able to access the EPC. I thought the process or signing up for a subscription was overly complicated, but it has nothing on trying to figure out how the thing works. 50% of it is Greek to me. I have skimmed through the user manual PDF I downloaded from the 500Eboard site, but it is also quite confusing. Lots of acronyms which are meaningless to me. It's like learning a whole new language. I realize below all that somewhere it is a powerful tool, but I can't even figure out how to get simple part searches to work or how to find out if something is available or NLA. I just get error messages, no response, or don't see where the answer is located. This is quite daunting and seems quite time consuming to figure out. Some of you EPC veterans/experts out there might think me a bit dimwitted, but......

Is there any resource along the lines of an EPC for Dummies?

Oh, and it doedn't work at all on my iPhone. As soon as I tap in the portal on "Parts Information", it takes me to a blank gray page.

Jamie

 

[gsxr]

Remember, Mercedes never, ever intended vehicle owners to use the EPC or WIS. Both programs were designed for Mercedes employees who would be factory trained on using both.

Anyway - the more you use the EPC, the easier it will get. For the 124 chassis you don't necessarily need to enter your VIN each time, just the chassis code (124036) will suffice. On newer MB's you really must use the full VIN, as it will automatically filter out results that don't apply to your specific vehicle. There's no simple reference on how to find things, as you spend more time looking, eventually you'll remember what group certain items are located in. Even now after 20 years of using the EPC, sometimes it takes me 10-15 mins to figure out where MB put some oddball part.

Part search - in the old EPC press F11. I don't know if XPPIS has the same shortcut, but look in the menu for Search / Part Search, then "Part without vehicle data". Enter the number with "A" prefix and no spaces or dashes. If too manyresults are returned, narrow it down by selecting North America region, and/or a specific chassis or engine (i.e. 124 or 119) in the 'Model' field. You then need to click into the results if multiple are shown. If the search takes you directly to a part diagram, that means the part is unique to a single chassis.

NLA - very, very few items are marked NLA in the EPC. These are items which went NLA decades ago. Read this post for some info on NLA parts.

If you have other specific questions / scenarios, post here and I'll try to point you in the right direction.

 

[linjam]

Anyway - the more you use the EPC, the easier it will get. For the 124 chassis you don't necessarily need to enter your VIN each time, just the chassis code (124036) will suffice. On newer MB's you really must use the full VIN, as it will automatically filter out results that don't apply to your specific vehicle. There's no simple reference on how to find things, as you spend more time looking, eventually you'll remember what group certain items are located in. Even now after 20 years of using the EPC, sometimes it takes me 10-15 mins to figure out where MB put some oddball part.

Thanks, Dave.

It’s been pretty rough. In addition to the issues I have had searching by part number, on the way to choosing a vehicle it asks me questions I have to guess the answers to about my vehicle. I figured out how to add a part to a shopping list but not how to find the shopping list. There are a bunch of symbols I see, which do heaven knows what. Even the pdf manual is written in an alien tongue. Etc etc etc

At this point, it’s fairly unusable for me. Sigh

 

[gsxr]

The EPC does allow searching by part number, to see what vehicles use a given part number. Since you are using the new interface (XPPIS / ISPPI), I can't tell you step-by-step how to navigate, but the functionality DOES exist! See my screen shot below from the old EPC. You can get the same info with the new version, but it may look different.

The shopping list is just a convenience item for the user. I copy/paste the part numbers I need into an Excel spreadsheet where I keep every order I place, usually one worksheet per large order, and several smaller orders combined in a single worksheet. This allows me to search previous orders from years ago, to see if/when I last ordered a given part number. The EPC shopping list lets you collect a bunch of part numbers from various groups. I don't know if you can easily export this in a file that is usable by other apps on your device.

If you can post screen shots with the alien symbols, we may be able to translate them...

 

[Jlaa]

It’s been pretty rough. It doesn’t even let me search by part number, and on the way to choosing a vehicle asks me questions I have to guess the answers to about my vehicle. I can’t tell what is available vs NLA. I can’t see for what vehicles a part number applies. I figured out how to add a part to a shopping list but not how to find the shopping list. There are a bunch of symbols I see, which to heaven knows what. Even the pdf manual is written in an alien tongue. Etc etc etc

At this point, it’s fairly unusable for me. Sigh

@linjam - could you use the standalone non-internet non-subscription based EPC that you can find for sale on DVDROM on ebay for a couple of bucks instead of the online XPISSWHATEVER subscription? I get the sense thats what a lot of people use, including @gsxr, and that’s what I use - the learning curve is not that bad.

 

[linjam]

@linjam - could you use the standalone non-internet non-subscription based EPC that you can find for sale on DVDROM on ebay for a couple of bucks instead of the online XPISSWHATEVER subscription? I get the sense thats what a lot of people use, including @gsxr, and that’s what I use - the learning curve is not that bad.

Thanks, Jlaa. Does it work on Mac? Is it not a challenge making sure it's up to date, and how does it know numbers available of a certain part? Isn't that something the online version does?

 

[Jlaa]

Thanks, Jlaa. Does it work on Mac? Is it not a challenge making sure it's up to date, and how does it know numbers available of a certain part? Isn't that something the online version does?

Yes, I run it in a virtual machine running windows on a Mac.

I don’t bother keeping it up to date because my copy is circa 2018 and I only use it for the w124. I don’t have any newer Mercedes cars. Part numbers for the w124 by 2018 ain’t gonna change much.

After I find the right part number for my w124, I then start plugging it into online shopping sites like mboemparts to see pricing, and if there are any supercessions. I find out about availability if Bob / Renee tell me NLA, and then I start to hit ebay.

 

[gsxr]

Thanks, Jlaa. Does it work on Mac? Is it not a challenge making sure it's up to date, and how does it know numbers available of a certain part? Isn't that something the online version does?

Some of the eBay EPC's work on Mac, in a virtual environment. More info here.

NOTHING will 100% confirm availability online. Click here for more info (think I posted this in a different thread on the EPC subject). Best you can do is get a rough idea if an item is available or not, but nothing 100% accurate outside of Paragon (see below).

Not even the dealer's EPC (XPPIS / ISPPI) will show availability!!! The dealer has to copy/paste the part number from XPPIS / ISPPI into a different program (that's "app" for millennials/Z'ers) called Paragon to check inventory worldwide. If you want 1-stop shopping with real-time NLA information, it simply does not exist, at least outside MB Germany headquarters.

 

[linjam]

Yes, I run it in a virtual machine running windows on a Mac.

I don’t bother keeping it up to date because my copy is circa 2018 and I only use it for the w124. I don’t have any newer Mercedes cars. Part numbers for the w124 by 2018 ain’t gonna change much.

After I find the right part number for my w124, I then start plugging it into online shopping sites like mboemparts to see pricing, and if there are any supercessions. I find out about availability if Bob / Renee tell me NLA, and then I start to hit ebay.

Fair points. Is it much more user friendly but just as powerful? Easy to reverse lookup and all that?

 

[linjam]

Some of the eBay EPC's work on Mac, in a virtual environment. More info here.

NOTHING will 100% confirm availability online. Click here for more info (think I posted this in a different thread on the EPC subject). Best you can do is get a rough idea if an item is available or not, but nothing 100% accurate outside of Paragon (see below).

Not even the dealer's EPC (XPPIS / ISPPI) will show availability!!! The dealer has to copy/paste the part number from XPPIS / ISPPI into a different program (that's "app" for millennials/Z'ers) called Paragon to check inventory worldwide. If you want 1-stop shopping with real-time NLA information, it simply does not exist, at least outside MB Germany headquarters.

Thank you, Dave. Hopefully, it's far more average user friendly than the online EPC?

Also, does it only come on CD-ROM, or is there a downloadable version?

J

 

[Jlaa]

Thank you, Dave. Hopefully, it's far more average user friendly than the online EPC?

Also, does it only come on CD-ROM, or is there a downloadable version?

J

Option 3 in @gsxr’s link for Macs is probably the least painful approach.

 

[linjam]

The EPC does allow searching by part number, to see what vehicles use a given part number. Since you are using the new interface (XPPIS / ISPPI), I can't tell you step-by-step how to navigate, but the functionality DOES exist! See my screen shot below from the old EPC. You can get the same info with the new version, but it may look different.

The shopping list is just a convenience item for the user. I copy/paste the part numbers I need into an Excel spreadsheet where I keep every order I place, usually one worksheet per large order, and several smaller orders combined in a single worksheet. This allows me to search previous orders from years ago, to see if/when I last ordered a given part number. The EPC shopping list lets you collect a bunch of part numbers from various groups. I don't know if you can easily export this in a file that is usable by other apps on your device.

If you can post screen shots with the alien symbols, we may be able to translate them...


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Thanks, Dave. I'll work on it, but the whole thing should be rebuilt properly and with forward flexibility once and for all.

 

[RicardoD]

I have VirtualBox running on my Mac with full screen capability and it is glorious. It is only to run EPC and WIS. I can copy part numbers and print WIS instructions. It took a bit of doing and I tried to help a few others set this up. And yes, EPC does frustrate me at times but I am slowly figuring it out.

 

[linjam]

I have Virtual Machine running on my Mac with full screen capability and it is glorious. It is only to run EPC and WIS. I can copy part numbers and print WIS instructions. It took a bit of doing and I tried to help a few others set this up. And yes, EPC does frustrate me at times but I am slowly figuring it out.

RIcardoD, just to confirm, is your version of WIS free or subscription?

 

[gerryvz]

With XPISS / Pee-Pee, you can do part searches both from the main screen (either a part search alone, or you can fill on both the chassis and the part number to search for it ONLY on that chassis), or you can do it in the upper right blank on the part diagram page. The functionality is definitely there.

The EPC is generally bootlegged via eBay and other sources and is run on a Mac in a Virtual machine, such as Oracle's free VirtualBox or VMWare or Parallels. You have to have a copy of Windows XP or 2000 to successfully install the EPC [on MacOS], though.

 

[linjam]

With XPISS / Pee-Pee, you can do part searches both from the main screen (either a part search alone, or you can fill on both the chassis and the part number to search for it ONLY on that chassis), or you can do it in the upper right blank on the part diagram page. The functionality is definitely there.

The EPC is generally bootlegged via eBay and other sources and is run on a Mac in a Virtual machine, such as Oracle's free VirtualBox or VMWare or Parallels. You have to have a copy of Windows XP or 2000 to successfully install the EPC, though.

Thanks, Gerry. I'm get the virtual machine part. Wasn't sure if hard copies of WIS needed subscription. As for searches by part number, I may not have putting inputting the part numbers in the right format (per Dave's comments above). I was using dashes and spaces without the "A" in front.

Anyone ever heard of a C124 chassis? That is the only option for choosing my vehicle by choice of chassis number. What happened to the "W"??

Sigh.

 

[linjam]

Option 3 in @gsxr’s link for Macs is probably the least painful approach.

Thanks, Jlaa

 

[RicardoD]

RIcardoD, just to confirm, is your version of WIS free or subscription?

No subscription, it run VirtualBox (free) on my Mac and then have a WindowsXP running EPC / WIS without subscription.

The generic instructions to do this are here although I think the download link is expired now. Look at post #13

https://www.500eboard.co/forums/threads/epc-isppi-wis-asra-and-ewa-net-information-on-buying-installing.3724/#post-52756

PM me if you want to try this route. I helped a few others out locally with USB sticks through snail mail.

 

[gsxr]

As for searches by part number, I may not have putting inputting the part numbers in the right format (per Dave's comments above). I was using dashes and spaces without the "A" in front.

The EPC (or ISPPI/etc) search refuses to work if you do not use the leading letter, "A" in most cases but not all... also won't work with dashes. It may work with spaces. Look carefully at my screenshot in post #4.

Anyone ever heard of a C124 chassis? That is the only option for choosing my vehicle by choice of chassis number.

You do not need a letter for the chassis number. Either enter the entire VIN, all 17 digits, or just type the 6-digit model code with no periods, i.e. "124036", not 124.036, W124036, or W124.036. See attached screenshot. Or, enter just the chassis (124) and pick yours out of the list.

A124 = cabriolet
C124 = coupé
S124 = wagon/estate
V124 = limo/LWB
W124 = sedan/saloon

What happened to the "W"??

The W is not used; see above. However, MB uses other letters as prefixes in front of part numbers. For example:

A = standard part
B = accessory
BQ = accessory
Q = accessory
N = DIN standard number, typically fasteners
W = special tool
HWA = unique AMG part

Years ago, you had to remove the letter from the RevolutionPart websites (Naperville, etc) or the search would fail. They have fixed this so now you can copy/paste directly from EPC/ISPPI, which includes the prefix letter, and the web search will work. However you still need to remove the letter for aftermarket vendors like RME, FCP, AHAZ as a part search will fail if you leave the letter on. One exception is HWA- numbers, you still need to remove the "H". Searching Naperville for HWA2104210212 fails, but WA2104210212 works.

Thankfully, the MB Classic Germany site also moved into the 21st century (two decades late) and now will accept part number searches without the letter. In the past it always required the letter. Now, a search for either 1243303507 or A1243303507 works; previously 1243303507 (without the A) would fail.

 

[linjam]

You do not need a letter for the chassis number. Either enter the entire VIN, all 17 digits, or just type the 6-digit model code with no periods, i.e. "124036", not 124.036, W124036, or W124.036. See attached screenshot. Or, enter just the chassis (124) and pick yours out of the list.

A124 = cabriolet
C124 = coupé
S124 = wagon/estate
V124 = limo/LWB
W124 = sedan/saloon

I don't have the same list -- see photos at bottom. I am only offered a "C" before all numbers

Before I get to that point, it asks me if my car is 44S, 44T, or 44U. I have no idea what that means. see photo at bottom

Also, when I choose the vehicle photo, it then asks me if I want vehicle, truck, or whatever (so I'm being asked twice) -- see photo at bottom

All stupid weird stuff or badly implemented.

Thankfully, the MB Classic Germany site also moved into the 21st century

That's more than charitable. I believe you meant "20th century"

Jamie

 

[linjam]

No subscription, it run VirtualBox (free) on my Mac and then have a WindowsXP running EPC / WIS without subscription.

The generic instructions to do this are here although I think the download link is expired now. Look at post #13

https://www.500eboard.co/forums/threads/epc-isppi-wis-asra-and-ewa-net-information-on-buying-installing.3724/#post-52756

PM me if you want to try this route. I helped a few others out locally with USB sticks through snail mail.

Thanks, RicardoD

 

[gerryvz]

For the Pee-Pee system, the system regimen uses “A” before all part numbers, “C” before chassis numbers, and “D” before engine numbers.

So things look like:
A1294000202 (part number, no spaces or dashes)
C124 (all 124 chasssis)
D119 (all M119 engines)

As far as the ISPPI (what i affectionately
Call “Pee Pee”, it is what it is. You can’t change it. You can only use it and try to understand it. It is completely different from the EPC in most every way.

Pee Pee has some benefits as compared to EPC, and some drawbacks. It’s not any easier or harder to use than EPC, it’s just different. You spend 10-15 years with one system and then there is a radical change, so yes it is jarring, but you can’t change it.

As Dave said (and I said earlier) both EPC and ISPPI were never designed for civilians to use. It was designed exclusively for use by trained stealership personnel sitting behind counters and in warehouses. There is A LOT in both systems that honestly makes sense only for stealership personnel. With time and familiarity you start to understand some ofit, and how and why information is displayed how it is. But it’s not nice to use.

EPC was not all that great either, TBH. It’s just that we were used to it because it had been around for 20-25 years in similar form.

It’s likely Pee Pee will be around for 10+ years (we are coming up on 2 years), so we’d better get used to it. EPC will continue to work, but since it’s no longer being updated with supercessions, it will be becoming more and more out of date over time.

 

[gsxr]

I've never seen this as I use the old version, but...

• 44S is indicating Europe/Worlwide region
• 44T is for USA/Canada only <-- You want this one
• 44U is for Japan only

The EPC has a similar box, but it ONLY shows if you don't enter a full VIN, and the drop-down menu is more intuitive (Market = Standard, USA, or Japan). No weird codes.

For chassis/etc, select F for anything except engine or transmission. You need to select the engine or transmission separately if you want those parts. Steering and fuel cell may not be used; at least those are not separate items in the old EPC.

Model series, as Gerry noted, just pick C124 (weird notation, XPISS-only thing).

Screenshots below from the EPC showing the market selection, group/engine/transmission selection, and then what it looks like when you select the engine:

 

[gsxr]

Gerry, since you are the resident expert on XPISS, does it really not take you directly to the group list after entering a USA VIN? If not... that's a massive fail from a UI perspective.

 

[linjam]

It’s likely Pee Pee will be around for 10+ years (we are coming up on 2 years), so we’d better get used to it. EPC will continue to work, but since it’s no longer being updated with supercessions, it will be becoming more and more out of date over time.

Gerry, since you are the resident expert on XPISS, does it really not take you directly to the group list after entering a USA VIN? If not... that's a massive fail from a UI perspective.

Thanks, guys.

Let’s face it. It was coded by aliens.

J

 

[gerryvz]

Gerry, since you are the resident expert on XPISS, does it really not take you directly to the group list after entering a USA VIN? If not... that's a massive fail from a UI perspective.

There are numerous ways to do things. All of them include an extra step, as shown. You have to select a radio button about the nationality of the car.

You can enter the VIN directly (this is my VIN):








Or you can enter the chassis number (in this case "124036")





Or you can use the drop-down entry blanks, as shown:

 

[gsxr]

Gerry, you confirmed my point... the new interface requires an EXTRA step, that the old EPC did not need. After entering the VIN, the old EPC was smart enough to determine it was USA, and skipped the market/region drop-down menu... goes directly to the list of "Main Groups".

Based on your screenshots, when entering a USA VIN, the new XPISS then axes you "Uh, is this a USA vehicle?", requiring you to intuitively select radio button "44T", then it displays main groups. Yep: Fail.

Entering only chassis (124036), it's normal to then select market/region, in either interface.

 

[gerryvz]

Two extra clicks isn't going to kill me.

 

[gsxr]

Two extra clicks isn't going to kill me.

No, but it almost sent Jamie to Arkham Asylum. And I don't blame him. The old program had this simple logic built in. The new program should have been better, not worse.

 

[linjam]

There are numerous ways to do things. All of them include an extra step, as shown. You have to select a radio button about the nationality of the car.

No, but it almost sent Jamie to Arkham Asylum. And I don't blame him. The old program had this simple logic built in. The new program should have been better, not worse.

And it's indicative/symbolic of the inefficiency of MANY other aspects of the system.

Anyway, separately, I was looking up B pillar trim covering, (124 695 01 14 and 124 695 02 14) and the EPC has an attached window as shown in the screenshot below. I think my car's code is 278, and the color code for the B pillar is 7095, but I only know this because I already knew it, not because of the chart in the screenshot, which I do not understand. You guys able to advise how this chart works?


Thanks.

Jamie

 

[gsxr]

And it's indicative/symbolic of the inefficiency of MANY other aspects of the system.

Anyway, separately, I was looking up B pillar trim covering, (124 695 01 14 and 124 695 02 14) and the EPC has an attached window as shown in the screenshot below. I think my car's code is 278, and the color code for the B pillar is 7095, but I only know this because I already knew it, not because of the chart in the screenshot, which I do not understand. You guys able to advise how this chart works?

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Thanks.

Jamie

That's another fail on the XPISS interface. The old EPC, screenshot below, highlights the appropriate row. However you need to select the part number which has the model year footnote, in your case it would be 831 (through 1993 model year), which then indicates that color code row number 902 has the data you want. 1994-up (code 804) indicates color code row #910.

Also, after clicking 7095 in the chart, the old EPC will append the color code to the partnumber (the new system MAY do this as well). See second screenshot. You can then right-click and copy the full 14-digit number to the clipboard, to paste into an online dealer's website.

MB Classic indicates the passenger B-pillar may be available in gray only; driver side appears NLA in all colors.

 

[gerryvz]

If @gsxr had his way, we'd:

1. Still be using the EPC, and the XPEE-PEE would never have been invented
2. Still be using vBulletin 4.2 on this forum, despite it not being updated since the 2013 time frame
3. Still be using green-screen versions of the EPC
4. Not be using cell phones or any mobile communication devices
5. Be using Windows 3.1 as the "GUI of choice"

Anyone see a pattern here?

 

[gsxr]

Hey. Let's not get crazy with that Windows 3.1 thing. Mac OS 8 FTW!

 

[linjam]

That's another fail on the XPISS interface. The old EPC, screenshot below, highlights the appropriate row. However you need to select the part number which has the model year footnote, in your case it would be 831 (through 1993 model year), which then indicates that color code row number 902 has the data you want. 1994-up (code 804) indicates color code row #910.

Also, after clicking 7095 in the chart, the old EPC will append the color code to the partnumber (the new system MAY do this as well). See second screenshot. You can then right-click and copy the full 14-digit number to the clipboard, to paste into an online dealer's website.

MB Classic indicates the passenger B-pillar may be available in gray only; driver side appears NLA in all colors.

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Dave, I might need a cocaine/Adderral cocktail to understand all you said. ;-)

Here are two more screenshots from my system. There are two page/footnote looking symbols under the part number. One is the one I sent you in my last reply. Here is the other one plus a photo of the part number page with no footnotes pulled up.



Jamie

 

[gsxr]

The numbers in brackets are footnotes:

[831, 902]
[804, 910]

I'm not sure how you access the footnote data in the new interface, but there has to be a way.

In my screenshots above, you can see the old EPC footnote window with definition for each.

 

[Jlaa]

@linjam - For your own sanity, I would recommend that you just give up on that cloud based Xentry XPISS stuff. It sucks. Seriously using the EPC inside a Virtual Box virtual machine on your Mac is much more straightforward.

Just like trying to using CarPlay / Android Auto in a w124 is unnatural, so is trying to use Xentry XPISS to look up w124 parts.
Follow the path of @gsxr / @RicardoD

 

[gsxr]

I've never used the new XPISS system, but I'm really surprised it's so different. It can't be THAT bad... can it?

 

[gerryvz]

It can't be THAT bad... can it?

I have zero problems with it. I just USE IT.

I mean, is Winblows 8 or 10 THAT bad compared to Winblows 2000 or XP?

 

[gsxr]

Win 8 was an abomination, I never used it. I stayed on 7 Pro until weeks before end of support.

 

[linjam]

I've never used the new XPISS system, but I'm really surprised it's so different. It can't be THAT bad... can it?

I have zero problems with it. I just USE IT.

What is this online platform? It looks more straightforward/easy to figure out than the XPISS:

Mercedes-Benz EPC. 300 124.130 , PASSENGER CAR,SEDAN FROM IDENT NO. B 065854 ALSO INSTALLED ON B 014528,B 016676,B 016766,B 022474, Market Europe, Group COVERING, Schema of FRONT PANEL PILLAR PANELLING,LINING ON FLOOR,HAT TRAY AND FIRST AID BOX.

Car, Mercedes-Benz 300 124.130 , PASSENGER CAR,SEDAN FROM IDENT NO. B 065854 ALSO INSTALLED ON B 014528,B 016676,B 016766,B 022474, Market Europe, Group COVERING, Schema of FRONT PANEL PILLAR PANELLING,LINING ON FLOOR,HAT TRAY AND FIRST AID BOX. Mercedes-Benz Free VIN Search and Part number...

mbepc.net

 

[gerryvz]

What is this online platform? It looks more straightforward/easy to figure out than the XPISS:

Mercedes-Benz EPC. 300 124.130 , PASSENGER CAR,SEDAN FROM IDENT NO. B 065854 ALSO INSTALLED ON B 014528,B 016676,B 016766,B 022474, Market Europe, Group COVERING, Schema of FRONT PANEL PILLAR PANELLING,LINING ON FLOOR,HAT TRAY AND FIRST AID BOX.

Car, Mercedes-Benz 300 124.130 , PASSENGER CAR,SEDAN FROM IDENT NO. B 065854 ALSO INSTALLED ON B 014528,B 016676,B 016766,B 022474, Market Europe, Group COVERING, Schema of FRONT PANEL PILLAR PANELLING,LINING ON FLOOR,HAT TRAY AND FIRST AID BOX. Mercedes-Benz Free VIN Search and Part number...

mbepc.net

This is an online russian version of the EPC. Mainly used by folks who are technically not sophisticated enough to install a bootleg eBay version of the EPC+WIS, or who are too cheap to pay MB the $75 a year for the Pee-Pee system.

While probably not a bad item to use, I would not hold it as high of esteem as I would a bootleg MB EPC+WIS, or the Pee-Pee. But for many if not 95% of people, it's probably fine.

 

[gsxr]

Most of the online web-based (i.e., Russian) EPC's are known to have limitations of some sort, or old data, or errors. Some are better than others. Any that provide footnotes are among the best. But they are still not as good as using either the EPC or XPISS official interfaces.

 

[linjam]

Most of the online web-based (i.e., Russian) EPC's are known to have limitations of some sort, or old data, or errors. Some are better than others. Any that provide footnotes are among the best. But they are still not as good as using either the EPC or XPISS official interfaces.

While probably not a bad item to use, I would not hold it as high of esteem as I would a bootleg MB EPC+WIS, or the Pee-Pee. But for many if not 95% of people, it's probably fine.

Interesting. Still a better and more clear user interface, though, from what I could see, even though still reminiscent of the HAL 9000 era of computing.