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Were early wiring looms any less problematic?

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There is a car on an online auction here in the UK, I remember seeing it for with a list of problems making the car expensive.

It's now on auction and someone has asked if it's had a new wiring loom, the owner replied saying as a 91/92 car it doesn't suffer from WL related issues.

Is that true about earlier cars, I thought the WL issue was either heat related ir wear and tear?

Thanks
 
Bund said:
There is a car on an online auction here in the UK, I remember seeing it for with a list of problems making the car expensive.

It's now on auction and someone has asked if it's had a new wiring loom, the owner replied saying as a 91/92 car it doesn't suffer from WL related issues.

Is that true about earlier cars, I thought the WL issue was either heat related ir wear and tear?
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It depends on the chassis and engine combination. All models with LH-SFI injection DO suffer from the wiring harness issues regardless of year; and all models with HFM up through about 1995 will also have the same issues. This includes all years of 124.036 / E500E. If the car in question is an early 500E, the owner is wrong / misinformed.

Cars with CIS / CIS-E injection were not affected, i.e. the 1990-92 R129 500SL or any 107/126/201 chassis.

The issue is not heat nor wear & tear, it was defective insulation meant to be environmentally friendly, but instead it crumbled apart.

Is this the car in question?

FOR SALE - 1991 500E, Silver Repaint/Gray, 167kkm, UK auction (Selby, North Yorkshire, UK) | Cars for Sale - 500E / E500 ONLY

No affiliation. USA-spec car that was apparently exported from USA to UAE, then to UK. Originally 199 Pearl Black, resprayed silver. Note it has the wrong headlights, they are standard 124, and for LHT (UK/Japan). Maybe it's me but this car looks like it has far more than 167kkm (104kmi)...
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Yes that's the one Gsxr, I must have looked on here before you posted about it or missed your post.

I think I was looking exactly for your type of post on it in fact. I should have searched again.
 
That car looks really rough... like it has far more miles / km's than indicated.

The 500E upper harness is still available new and is relatively inexpensive, if needed. The lower (starter) harness is NLA but Kurth Classics sells a rebuild kit. The early ETA external cable does not suffer from the insulation failure (this may be what the owner is thinking) but the ETA internal components can still wear out, but these are rebuildable.

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I think I remeber seeing the car for sale around High 20', maybe even 30?

I looked at the speedo and the numbers appear aligned but that's not to say its correct, just in the old landcruisers if you messed with the rolling digits you could never get them to align correctly again.

So no damage known but its had a colour change, wrong lights and a gap to the bumper?

I'm fed up of these "bargains" I keep buying. I'll wait till I can afford a good car.
 
Bund said:
I looked at the speedo and the numbers appear aligned but that's not to say its correct, just in the old landcruisers if you messed with the rolling digits you could never get them to align correctly again.
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This was a USA car, and unless there is excellent documentation showing when & how the speedo was changed from miles to km's, it could have racked up 50-100k miles before getting a new zero-km gauge in UAE. Not saying this happened, but any time a speedo is replaced, there should be evidence of the before/after readings. Cosmetically, this car sure looks like it has double the indicated odo reading, which is why I'd want more details on the cluster swap.


Bund said:
So no damage known but its had a colour change, wrong lights and a gap to the bumper?
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And lots of cosmetic issues that shouldn't be present on a 100kmi car. I have cars with literally double that mileage which are in better condition. Sample pics below of some highlights in the auction photos. Also need undercarriage photos to make sure it's not a rustbucket. No way I'd bid on this without undercarriage photos and several videos.


Bund said:
I'm fed up of these "bargains" I keep buying. I'll wait till I can afford a good car.
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EXCELLENT plan. I think it was @JC220 that said "buy once, cry once". Better than the death of a thousand paper cuts due to tons of deferred maintenance.

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It's @ £12'500 with 2 days to go, I know they take card details to bid but if you haven't got the funds in there what are they going to do?

Guess someone might end up with a shock if this makes 18-20k?
 
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