Anyone try this?
http://www.hidxenonheadlights.com/
http://www.hidxenonheadlights.com/
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Xenon Headlight retrofit
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It is very much NOT recommended to retrofit HID burners into halogen lamp assemblies. To do this right you need to retrofit complete HID projectors into the lamp, behind clear (non-fluted) lenses. Read this for more detailed info:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html
All that "hi tech" lighting is unnecessary. I can't stand when someone passes me with aftermarket junk blasting my eyes. I have Hella euros with Osram 70/65w H4's and they are plenty good. Bright, clear and focused. If you absolutely must have more output then install relays and higher wattage bulbs. gsxrs link points to Daniel Stern, an authority in vehicle lighting. I tend to listen to what he says.
Ditto what Jordi said.
Hella Euros with Osram 70/65 is the best bet for stock wiring. If you are willing to invest the time & effort to install relays, you can use Osram 85/80's which have incredible low-beam output, or Phillips/Narva 100/90 or 130/100's. One down side to these superwatt bulbs (besides the high cost) is a short life span, probably 1/3 to 1/4 a normal, stock 60/55 bulb.
Disclaimer: I have relays with the 85/80's in my E500 and 300D, stock wiring with 70/65 in the 500E, IIRC. The 85/80 low beams are friggin' incredible, have to see to believe. Careful aiming is crucial and even then I get the occasional oncoming driver flashing his high beams at me.
I believe there was a post somewhere on the forum that listed the lumens output for the various overwatt bulbs, compared to stock, and HID?
Hella Euros with Osram 70/65 is the best bet for stock wiring. If you are willing to invest the time & effort to install relays, you can use Osram 85/80's which have incredible low-beam output, or Phillips/Narva 100/90 or 130/100's. One down side to these superwatt bulbs (besides the high cost) is a short life span, probably 1/3 to 1/4 a normal, stock 60/55 bulb.
Disclaimer: I have relays with the 85/80's in my E500 and 300D, stock wiring with 70/65 in the 500E, IIRC. The 85/80 low beams are friggin' incredible, have to see to believe. Careful aiming is crucial and even then I get the occasional oncoming driver flashing his high beams at me.
I believe there was a post somewhere on the forum that listed the lumens output for the various overwatt bulbs, compared to stock, and HID?
Another note on the big wattage bulbs, the filiment is over a larger space, so it is not focused nearly as well. Hence, not as big of a difference as you may think. Daniel Stern said he could sell me anything this last time, but highly recommented the Oshram 70/65's or the 85/80's.
Those seem pretty cool, except the filament placement is likely off
http://candlepowerinc.com/pdfs/H4_9003.pdf
Couldn't find the old post, but here's some info to add to Jordi's list above. Wattage is High/Low beam:
Stock 60/55 = 1650/1000 lumens
Good +50 bulbs = 1800/1100
Osram 70/65 = 2000/1350
Osram 85/80 = 2400/1750 (more on low beam than stock on HIGH beam!)
Rally 100/90 = 2600/1500
Rally 130/100 = 3200/1600
BTW, on my cars with relays I'm also using 100w H3 bulbs for the auxiliary high-beam lights.
Stock 60/55 = 1650/1000 lumens
Good +50 bulbs = 1800/1100
Osram 70/65 = 2000/1350
Osram 85/80 = 2400/1750 (more on low beam than stock on HIGH beam!)
Rally 100/90 = 2600/1500
Rally 130/100 = 3200/1600
BTW, on my cars with relays I'm also using 100w H3 bulbs for the auxiliary high-beam lights.
This might be interessting aswell...
http://www.ridethatbike.com/NOMAD orginal/HEADLIGHT.htm
A shame i can not get these Osram Plus 50 (with 70/65 or 85/80) in germany anywhere....
I use now Osram Nightbreaker H4 here in our cars, before we had the H4 Power2Night GT150+ in my cars, which are both a HUGE difference over stock bulbs. Power Rating is same as stock, however light is brighter, light-color (Kelvin) is higher and more "white" than "yellow".
http://www.ridethatbike.com/NOMAD orginal/HEADLIGHT.htm
A shame i can not get these Osram Plus 50 (with 70/65 or 85/80) in germany anywhere....
I use now Osram Nightbreaker H4 here in our cars, before we had the H4 Power2Night GT150+ in my cars, which are both a HUGE difference over stock bulbs. Power Rating is same as stock, however light is brighter, light-color (Kelvin) is higher and more "white" than "yellow".
If the bulb connector is stock, it's just a plain halogen bulb. Any HID conversion will have modified wiring with external ballasts (metal box roughly the size of a cigarette pack). Tinted blue bulbs are strictly for looks, they actually reduce light output in lumens. Best thing to do is pull the bulb out and read what it says. Here's a close-up of the Osram 70/65 and 85/80:
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Christian, what's the wattage on these Osram Nightbreakers and how long do they last versus stock 60/55?? No issues on "bulb failure" warning light coming on?
The have the same wattage than any other in Germany allowed "stock" H4 Bulbs.
Here is a link to the product (in german unfortunately): http://www.osram.de/osram_de/Consum...heinwerferlicht/NIGHT_BREAKER_PLUS/index.html
Their Lumen-Rating is "1534 Lumen" according to a recent Test in german "Auto Motor & Sport" Magazine. Tester-Conclusion was "Highly Recommended".
Keypoints translated:
"The probably strongest legal Halogen Bulbs on the Market.
Up to 90% more light
Up to 35meters longer light cone
Up to 10% brighter light (Light-color is meant)"
Comparison pictures:
http://www.verkehrsportal.de/board/index.php?showtopic=61656&view=findpost&p=1056526874
Or here (left stock H4 Bulbs, right Osram nightbreaker): http://www.bildercache.de/anzeige.html?dateiname=20071220-121406-838.jpg
They are really good. Together with a relay-mod (i had in my W201) the light is really good and x-times better than everything stock. The next legal Bulbs after the Nightbreakers (Plus) are the Phillips Power 2 Night GT150 (light es even whiter than the Osrams).
This is in my chick-magnet car with stripes, a blue-tinted light, 100/80 H4. The inside of the tube has what looks like additional hardware compared to regular headlight bulbs I've replaced on my other benzes, tough to see in the picture, and I did not find any cigarette-sized box near the headlights. Is this just a tinted, high-wattage bulb? Or something special? I'm going to replace this bling with something more standard, hopefully that's possible.
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Looks to me like one of the trendy blue-tinted H4 bulbs. The blue tint doesn't really help you with better illumination, but it does attract the ladies.
Just get the regular OSRAM Super H4 bulb (standard or slightly upgraded wattage) from Daniel Stern Lighting (call them for options) and you will absolutely be good to go. That blue stuff is a major rice gimmick. But we all know that the Ricers get all the chicks !!
Cheers,
Gerry
Just get the regular OSRAM Super H4 bulb (standard or slightly upgraded wattage) from Daniel Stern Lighting (call them for options) and you will absolutely be good to go. That blue stuff is a major rice gimmick. But we all know that the Ricers get all the chicks !!
Cheers,
Gerry
Thanks, I sent them an email, couldn't find digits on that site.
You should see what happens with the chicks when you put an ironing board on top of the giant spoiler - it makes a double spoiler effect, really draws them not unlike a bass to a worm. I will try to take a picture next time.
You should see what happens with the chicks when you put an ironing board on top of the giant spoiler - it makes a double spoiler effect, really draws them not unlike a bass to a worm. I will try to take a picture next time.
Silver Start Star anything = blah, blah, blah. All these "plus 50" bulbs are still 60/55 watts and can't put out the lumens you'll get from a higher wattage bulb. Color temp (blue or otherwise) is strictly a cosmetic thing, it DOES NOT help you see any better.
The Osram 70/65 are still going to give you the most light (lumens) possible using stock wiring and halogen bulbs.
The Osram 70/65 are still going to give you the most light (lumens) possible using stock wiring and halogen bulbs.
SilverStartStar anything = blah, blah, blah. All these "plus 50" bulbs are still 60/55 watts and can't put out the lumens you'll get from a higher wattage bulb. Color temp (blue or otherwise) is strictly a cosmetic thing, it DOES NOT help you see any better.
The Osram 70/65 are still going to give you the most light (lumens) possible using stock wiring and halogen bulbs.
I am a bit worried about any adverse effects of using high wattage bulbs on new cars, that is why I am opting for the sylvania ZXE. I had higher wattage (90w) on the 500E for years with no issue.
I think that's too high of a wattage to be using on stock wiring without relays, for safety's sake.
Any way to install relays without cutting into factory wiring? Can a simple adapter be made up?
The cutting into the factory wiring is relatively simple, and could be un-done in the future if desired. All the work is done at the headlight connectors themselves. See attached photos. It's a LOT of work, but the parts aren't that expensive. My install was a bit overkill on the wire size. Use separate fuses for left & right so if one fuse blows, you don't lose both lights.
The 70/65 Osrams are the largest H4 bulbs I would use with stock wiring. Anything larger (85/80, 100/90, etc) will overheat the bulb connector, stock wiring, and headlight switch; and that's if they don't just blow the fuse in the first place. Relays solve all those problems.
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A PIAA is very effective straight bulbs H4 & H7 any coments
regards Dik Best
If your looking for the best Halogen type, investigate the HiR. Untill recently, this design was only available in 9005/9006, but there are companies making these in H4 now. Lumins output on these is roughly 2500
Plenty of research out there, but if you don't want to search
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=954736
These are the best ones I have been able to find that include a reflector
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HIR-H4-LOW-...Parts_Accessories&hash=item4167697da4&vxp=mtr
Plenty of research out there, but if you don't want to search
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=954736
These are the best ones I have been able to find that include a reflector
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HIR-H4-LOW-...Parts_Accessories&hash=item4167697da4&vxp=mtr
I was working on a Toyota and noticed how bright the headlights were (unusually bright for halogen) and figured the owner put some other bulbs in the car. So I pulled one and noticed the strange design and that they looked OEM. Checked with the dealer who told me the bulbs used were 9005/9006 HIR.
At that time, there were no other HIR type bulbs being made and I was unable to find any H4 flavors of the bulb. What I have found is cheap Chinese crap copies, no Philips or Toshiba HIR bulbs. The link I posted are for HIRs from Korea, which seem to be worth trying (they are the best H4 HIR I have found). Of course, these could be complete crap also (I have not tried these). Been patiently waiting to see if any quality manufacturers decided to come out with some H4 HIR's or for some real world reviews of the Korean HIR's. Nothing so far.
HIR2/9012 (low beam), replaces the 9006 stocker
HIR1/9011 (high beam), replaces the 9005 stocker
HIR2 Lumen Output: 1,875 lumens (or an 875 lumen increase over a stock 9006 bulb)
HIR2 Kelvin Rating: 3,600k (or a 500k improvement over a stock 9006 bulb)
Life: 800 hours
HIR1 Lumen Output: 2,500 lumens (or an 800 lumen increase over a stock 9005 bulb)
HIR1 Kelvin Rating: 3,600k (or a 500k improvement over a stock 9005 bulb)
Life: 300 hours
