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OWNER JAB12 (E60 AMG)
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That's what I am talking about, collector cars don't sprout out of nowhere to be sold at an auction block.
They have documented ownership and service history (who/when/where), either with paper documents or photo documentation, that shows the the car and its state in throughout the years of ownership.
@JAB12 I don't know if you have these on file, from around 2006-2007.
BTW, we all had the problematic Bosch AMG EZL replaced with a Siemens unit. I've checked at least 6 factory E60 and none have that AMG EZL anymore, I guess it was superseded as even 1995 production E60s don't have it.
They have documented ownership and service history (who/when/where), either with paper documents or photo documentation, that shows the the car and its state in throughout the years of ownership.
@JAB12 I don't know if you have these on file, from around 2006-2007.
BTW, we all had the problematic Bosch AMG EZL replaced with a Siemens unit. I've checked at least 6 factory E60 and none have that AMG EZL anymore, I guess it was superseded as even 1995 production E60s don't have it.
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@195910 thanks for the additional photos, I may have seen them somewhere maybe on @gsxr database. And yes I agree, a collector car’s track record is supremely important. Notice how previous previous owner had the MB air box still and owner prior to me sourced the correct AMG Airbox. Interesting nugget there. Cheers.
Hello @hAMGurger Car’s in the shop. When I get it back I will check and note it here. In the meantime others may be able to answer your question.
Best,
JAB
Best,
JAB
AFAIK the M119 LH 6.0L airbox is identical to stock, except with the AMG logo on top. It's been proven that a higher-volume airbox provides zero power gain, I don't believe there's anything AMG would have done internally. Externally, including the mounting/arms, it's identical to stock.
@gsxr @JAB12 Nice, ok. Thanks for the information---was just wondering. Some older airboxes I've seen NOT M119 had minor fins and baffles inside which AMG removed--or similarly the intake arms had to be slight bent or ported. Silly stuff like that. I was not inferring that the M119 received such treatment from AMG for the E60 and E 500 6.0--- just very curious.
Jono is doing it right. That is the ONLY way to properly test for plugged catalysts. I use the same method. Based on the numbers, the engine was probably producing semi-normal torque off-idle, but at high RPM it was probably making stock 5.0L power, if that much.
I like the way, @jhodg5ck, the video starts with a “click” and then we see an analog mechanical meter! So very Wes Anderson of you!
Can you explain for some of us dummies (ok this one dummy) what we are looking at? We are measuring psi of .... of backpressure? how does one get a backpressure reading? Is there some sensor in a bung thing taht needs to be fitted?Jono is doing it right. That is the ONLY way to properly test for plugged catalysts. I use the same method. Based on the numbers, the engine was probably producing semi-normal torque off-idle, but at high RPM it was probably making stock 5.0L power, if that much.
I am seeing 5psi at the short-shift point from 1st-2nd and then 6.75 psi at the top of 2nd and 3rd gear?
Yes - measuring exhaust backpressure ahead of the catalysts. Either a bung has to be added, or the O2 sensor can be temporarily replaced with a an adapter fitting. Normal should be under about 3psi maximum at any RPM, at full throttle. Full load is required, can't test revving in Park (well, unless the cats are almost totally plugged, in which case the car would also be undriveable).
Gotcha!
@JAB12 out of curiosity was your car fitted with a bung for an EGT probe like many Japan-spec cars such that the EGT probe could be swapped out for a backpressure sensor? Also another question - which catalyst are you fitting to the car to replace your current one?
It is curious to me that the old catalyst is plugged. IIRC your car doesn’t have intergalactic mileage, and the OE catalysts run a long time. Was your car running very very rich for some time prior to your acquisition, thus poisoning the cats?
I think the Japan bung is at the rear of the cats, in which case it's no help. And, JAB's car never spent time in Japan, AFAIK.
I also wonder what may have caused the catalysts to die. It's not particularly common with factory cats. I don't think a rich mixture will do it but I'm not positive. I thought a rich mixture just makes them run abnormally hot, but not cause blockage?
I also wonder what may have caused the catalysts to die. It's not particularly common with factory cats. I don't think a rich mixture will do it but I'm not positive. I thought a rich mixture just makes them run abnormally hot, but not cause blockage?
My Car never spent time in Japan, however, from factory it was fitted with the AMG Japan Exhaust System. Not just the tips. Also, per @jhodg5ck it had some weird arrangement possibly the result of it being Federalized however many years ago. Definitely what was under there was not factory other than the tips. Hence why @jhodg5ck is returning back to what it's supposed to be or as close as possible.
@Jlaa Once I get full diagnosis and solution from Blue Ridge I will post here what was done to correct, cats etc. Car currently has 116k miles and prior owner only put 7k miles on it during close to 15 year ownership. Incredible. If she ran rich was even prior to that as per records the second to last owner has more new tire receipts that I have ever seen on any 20+ year old car. Car was in California but from receipts you would think he was in the North East changing tires every season.
All I know is I want my car back. This whole 'While you're in there' situation paired with my OCD maintenance train of thought on all cars has this thing going on 8 months now and it's numbing.... If it not were for my other Pcar toys I would've moved to GA already to camp out at Blue Ridge until the car is done.
@Jlaa Once I get full diagnosis and solution from Blue Ridge I will post here what was done to correct, cats etc. Car currently has 116k miles and prior owner only put 7k miles on it during close to 15 year ownership. Incredible. If she ran rich was even prior to that as per records the second to last owner has more new tire receipts that I have ever seen on any 20+ year old car. Car was in California but from receipts you would think he was in the North East changing tires every season.
All I know is I want my car back. This whole 'While you're in there' situation paired with my OCD maintenance train of thought on all cars has this thing going on 8 months now and it's numbing.... If it not were for my other Pcar toys I would've moved to GA already to camp out at Blue Ridge until the car is done.
We fitted a bung to the crossover pipe, now searching for a Nice set of cats that would be appropriate for a car like this....a LOT of 119 catalysts are failing these days...similar to M120's IME.
The exhaust 'mod' on the car to delete the resonator was very much a back yard exhaust shop kind gig... compression bends, ugly welds and moderate fitment at Best.
Making sure all 036's are right is a Goal, but we especially want E60's to be working to their utmost.....when this car arrived I was genuinely concerned for the lack of power...such that I did a quick Measure of stroke and compression just to be Certain she hadn't had a Dirty swap along the way.
The exhaust 'mod' on the car to delete the resonator was very much a back yard exhaust shop kind gig... compression bends, ugly welds and moderate fitment at Best.
Making sure all 036's are right is a Goal, but we especially want E60's to be working to their utmost.....when this car arrived I was genuinely concerned for the lack of power...such that I did a quick Measure of stroke and compression just to be Certain she hadn't had a Dirty swap along the way.
Jono, any idea what is causing the cat failures, besides age? Is the failure mode usually the same as on this car, increased backpressure, but otherwise OK (no dents, no rattles from the substrate breaking apart, etc)?
I think age and poor ignition Lighting up the substrate.
Most run ok, some run HOT but they all feel weak to varying degrees. They ALL with stiiiiink after a run. A couple have come in with broken substrate...as a whole that's the less common failure.
Most run ok, some run HOT but they all feel weak to varying degrees. They ALL with stiiiiink after a run. A couple have come in with broken substrate...as a whole that's the less common failure.
I am sure it will be done right when it is finished (no pressure). BTW I am allergic to Cats, the furry kind though, not the kind that you are in search of at the moment.
@JAB12 @jhodg5ck — out of curiosity, if you have to replace the catalysts, is it possible to use the very nice front section and catalysts that @5thscaleracer has put together for 5.0 liter cars?
I hadn't thought of that... but the Leistung setup would be near top of my list for that car, since the factory cats are NLA. Full system though, crate up the the AMG muffler in storage...
I tend to agree. I'd like for this car to run quiet though. (as in 'regular guy in an unassuming old Benz').
I have enough grumble in my little frog faced coupes...
How about Leistung font section + Leistung catalyst + new OE center resonator + new OE muffler?
Nice and quiet at part throttle but you can hear the V8 when you dig into the pedal.......
It's OK. @jhodg5ck is captain of saving me money and finding NLA parts. If this keeps up I am going to hit a threshold where I will have to call Hagerty to 'reassess' the AVI. Also do not want to hit that threshold as AVI is probably not the only thing I will have to 'reassess' from an ownership standpoint. I have nightmares about NLA...... and about $15K worth of parts in my parts storage with under a year of ownership...
EDIT: Out of which barely 3 months in possession of the car.
EDIT: Out of which barely 3 months in possession of the car.
I’ve listed the AMG front bumper I bought for my car on BAT. Listing is here: No Reserve: Mercedes-Benz W124 AMG Front Bumper and Lights
I rather this part go to a forum member. I will assist with worldwide shipping (if necessary) at buyer’s cost.
I rather this part go to a forum member. I will assist with worldwide shipping (if necessary) at buyer’s cost.
Thank you @M104-AMG appreciate the lead.
I am buying a model of one "particular" E500 tomorrow
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I bought 6 or 8 of these a couple months back from USA! I figured it would be my retirement fund when they go NLA, like the real deal
This guy here is jaw dropping impressive:
Couldn't copy the youtube link for some reason so search on youtube 'JD Project 500E' 15 minute video on this guy customizing said Hot Wheels 500E on post No. 84 above. Simply impressive.
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Couldn't copy the youtube link for some reason so search on youtube 'JD Project 500E' 15 minute video on this guy customizing said Hot Wheels 500E on post No. 84 above. Simply impressive.
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Whoa. 1M subs and 100M views in only 3 years. Dude is making a good living on YT alone!
Merry Christmas Jab, may the new year bring peace and prosperity to everyone.
Did you finally get your car back?
Not yet. Hopefully before Spring.
6.6L ??? 
I will post here once I get a final listing from @jhodg5ck
The main headline was getting the car back to Factory AMG numbers, that required new cats and redid the exhaust piping which was modified at some point during the car's life before me. Refurbed AMG suspension. Windshield was peppered so replaced that, lower harness, all consumables, caps and rotors, had some wire arcing, overall clean up in all the unreachable creases etc etc. I don't even remember the majority of the items as its been so long. Have to dig up the files but I'll post a full list for posterity's sake in this thread.
In short, car is being returned back to as new as mechanically and cosmetically possible without going full strip out restoration and repaint. I'm not doing that.
