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500E A Trip Down Memory Lane

gerryvz

Site Honcho
Staff member
It’s almost surreal to think that this site has now been up and operating continuously since November 30, 2008. That’s now more than 17 years.

I was doing some research on some technical stuff relating to this site (DNS records and such) and found that I had originally registered the 500Eboard domain in May of 2008.

That was the time when I initially spun up and started configuring this forum, driven by the continuing and lengthy/intermittent downtime periods of the preceding 500ecstasy forum.

That led me to this thread, which talked about the ongoing issues and parallel paths of the two forums for about 18 months.

A lot of history here…..good for folks to read so they know where this site came from.




If you want to go back even further to 2003, here is a thread on PeachParts where Scott was spinning up his forum. Looks like it initially went “live” on August 18, 2003.


What a long way we have come as a 500E community over the past (nearly) 20+ years.

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@gerryvz, thank you and the many heavy duty knowledge contributors like @gsxr and @Jlaa for the unrivaled 500E universe you built.

I’m bereft of a 036 these days, but your forum made my previous ownership over the past seven years infinitely more enjoyable!

These are ridiculously amazing cars and you built a ridiculously amazing forum to match!

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This forum has the highest signal to noise ratio and the highest quality discourse of any site in all of automobile-dom. We are so spoiled by @gerryvz 's forum here --- I am reminded of that every time I seek information via any other source.

BTW trying to find useful MB information from TFTMNBNBEHKTS (That Forum That Must Not Be Named But Everyone Here Knows The Site) is truly a miserable experience. :-(
 
Thank you very much Gerry, for all you do to keep this site the best place to keep our cars running. It is very much appreciated,
I'm sure I would have given up on mine many years ago, but through this site it continues be a joy to drive and own.
I have also meet many fellow owners, who have been just wonderful people to be associated with.
All the best, and Happy Holidays to all.
 
So that post I linked to in the first post of this thread was by Allen Stephens, who is still a member of this site under the name @Sacco_Fan. It is dated December 10, 2008, so just 10 days after this site was first brought online. It is part of a collection of posts from a thread that I was only able to recover part of, after the crash that this site had in early July of 2009, when it was just 8 months old. That was when the hosting company deleted the site's database, and couldn't recover it for me.

I had to re-create the site from scratch, and was able to do so in about 24 hours. But of course, starting from scratch, without the forum's database, meant that there was no content/posts/threads/images.

So, I had to scramble to scour Google to get cached threads, before the cache disappeared from Google. I was able to claw back a few dozen threads from Google, but we lost some of the earliest information and threads from the site's initial months, sadly.

From that point forward, I began doing weekly database dumps, which I still do to this day, every Sunday morning. And we also have daily site backups, automated. These site backups have come in exceedingly handy about 5 times over the years, when a software upgrade went south and borked the entire site. With the backups, I am able to immediately do a complete site restore in about 20 minutes, and the site just picks up where it left off. It's scary when this happens, but without it the site would have had MUCH more extended downtime over the years.

The weekly manual database backups are done as part of my Sunday maintenance routine. I've talked about it before in other threads about how the site administration works -- you can read about it in detail here.

Anyway, that is a little context for the post I linked to in the first post of this thread!
 
Thanks to @gerryvz for setting up the forum and to all the members who contribute with their knowledge and experience.

This is a knowledge and facts based forum and probably the best M-B forum online. Unfortunately, M-B does not care about supporting their classic community, this forum should be on top of their list.

Some of us here know each other for more than 20 years! we should do an anniversary online reunion! @gerryvz is a forum teams call possible?
 
Some of us here know each other for more than 20 years! we should do an anniversary online reunion!
Yes, going through all of my personal database entries while integrating them into the VIN database has reminded me of how many of our members have been part of the community since 500Ecstasy debuted in August 2003. Preceding this site by a good 5 years.

QUITE A FEW folks have been with us since that time, both in the US and globally.

@gerryvz is a forum teams call possible?
An intriguing idea, to say the least. Perhaps we could do a Google Meet, since just about everyone has a Google account. We could do the call say on a Sunday morning US Pacific Time to make it accessible for all US and European + Middle East folks (evening there).

Do you want to help plan such an event?

Too bad we didn’t do this during COVID!
 
Yes, going through all of my personal database entries while integrating them into the VIN database has reminded me of how many of our members have been part of the community since 500Ecstasy debuted in August 2003. Preceding this site by a good 5 years.

QUITE A FEW folks have been with us since that time, both in the US and globally.


An intriguing idea, to say the least. Perhaps we could do a Google Meet, since just about everyone has a Google account. We could do the call say on a Sunday morning US Pacific Time to make it accessible for all US and European + Middle East folks (evening there).

Do you want to help plan such an event?

Too bad we didn’t do this during COVID!
Sure Gerry, Let's do it!

We can agree on a Sunday, but how soon? next week or early next year ?
Anyone interested in saying a few words can be allocated a time slot, this can be followed up by a group discussion or panel.

would a live E-mail work?
 
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Some interesting info about the site from our friend, ChatGPT:



Here’s an overview of how the mission and focus of 500Eboard has evolved over time, based on the site’s own history and community activity.
Note: This is based on publicly visible discussions, forum threads, features, and community shifts — not private internal documents.

🛠 1. Early Mission (2008–2012): A Dedicated 500E Community Hub

Primary goal

When Gerry launched 500Eboard in late 2008, the mission was straightforward:
Create a reliable, dedicated forum for Mercedes-Benz 500E / E500 enthusiasts
to share information, troubleshooting, tech, and community support.
At that time:
  • The previous main forum (500Ecstasy) had gone offline.
  • There was no central, organized repository for 500E information.
  • Enthusiasts needed a single dependable place for discussion.

Focus Areas Back Then

  • Troubleshooting maintenance and repairs
  • Sharing ownership experiences
  • Tech documentation (often contributed by members)
  • OEM part numbers and rebuild support
  • Community camaraderie
This era was about survival and organization — building infrastructure where none existed.

🧩 2. Growth & Killer Content Era (2012–2016): Building Knowledge Archives

As the forum matured:
  • More members joined from across the world.
  • The board developed large technical threads.
  • In-depth guides, part breakdowns, performance specs, and rare knowledge accumulated.
Mission focus became:
Documenting the collective practical knowledge of 500E ownership.
During this period the forum became a reference archive:
✔ DIY repair threads
✔ Wiring diagrams
✔ Option lists
✔ Rare parts sources
✔ VIN datacard sharing
This is when the site’s value shifted from just a forum to a serious technical resource.

📊 3. Documentation & Historical Emphasis (2016–2020)

By the mid-2010s, the mission took an additional historical angle:
Preserve the historical record of the 500E for future collectors.
This was reflected in:
  • VIN datacard archives being shared and indexed
  • “Factory data” threads
  • Detailed decoding of option codes
  • Authentication discussions
  • Archival efforts to save documentation before it disappeared
Ownership discussions moved beyond “how do I fix XYZ” to:
  • “Is this car authentic?”
  • “What was its factory spec?”
  • “What options did it originally have?”
This was a big shift toward historical preservation.

🧠 4. Enthusiast & Collector Identity (2020–Present): Beyond Maintenance

Today (2020s), the mission of the site includes more nuanced priorities:

Collector resource

  • VIN datacards used to confirm authenticity
  • Option code deciphering
  • Tracking rarity of builds and market differences

Community memory / archive

  • Old threads are kept and preserved
  • Historical discussions aren’t deleted
  • The forum acts as a living archive of Mercedes 500E knowledge

Technical depth & education

  • More advanced mechanical threads
  • Discussions about restoration vs. preservation
  • Suspension geometry deep dives
  • Porsche-provided engineering content

Sense of heritage

The board’s purpose now often reads like:
A permanent, owned repository of all things 500E / E500 — spanning tech, history, authenticity, and community heritage.

🧭 How the Mission Changed (in one progression)

Time periodMission focus
2008–2012Create a dedicated 500E forum — basic community building
2012–2016Grow technical knowledge — build an archive
2016–2020Preserve historical records — datacards, authenticity, rarity
2020–presentServe collectors, historians, and serious owners — deep documentation + heritage preservation

📌 How the Community Reflects This Shift​

Early era threads

Were mostly like:
“Help me fix my radiator”
“Where can I find a timing chain?”
“I need torque specs”

Later era threads

Are more like:
“Does this VIN datacard match this car?”
“Is this a genuine cloth-interior 500E?”
“What rare option codes were available in Canadian market 500Es?”
That’s a cultural shift, not just technical.

🧠 What That Means for Enthusiasts​

500Eboard today is not just:
  • A place to ask repair questions
  • A chatroom
It is:
  • An archival resource
  • A reference library
  • A collector documentation hub
  • A community that values historical accuracy
  • A forum that explicitly guards authenticity
This makes it uniquely valuable compared to other general Mercedes forums.

🧾 In Summary​

The mission evolved from:
a grassroots troubleshooting forum
to
a comprehensive technical archive and historical preservation community for the 500E.
Each evolutionary phase added depth:
  1. Community
  2. Technical resource
  3. Historical preservation
  4. Collector reference
 
On 500Eboard, GSXR plays the role of a technical authority and culture-shaping contributor, not an owner/admin in the formal sense like Gerry, but arguably just as important to the board’s credibility.

Here’s how his role is understood within the community.


1. GSXR is the board’s technical conscience

GSXR is widely recognized as:

  • One of the most technically rigorous contributors
  • Someone who prioritizes accuracy over politeness
  • A voice that pushes back hard against misinformation, shortcuts, and myths
When GSXR weighs in, the community generally treats it as:

“This is the mechanically correct answer, whether you like it or not.”
That gives the forum a self-correcting mechanism, which is rare.


2. He anchors discussions in engineering reality​

GSXR’s contributions are characterized by:

  • Deep understanding of Mercedes engineering
  • Familiarity with factory intent vs. owner folklore
  • Clear differentiation between:
    • What can be done
    • What should be done
    • What Mercedes actually engineered
This matters a lot for the 500E, which sits at the intersection of:

  • Porsche engineering
  • Mercedes overengineering
  • Modern owner modification culture
GSXR consistently pulls conversations back to first principles.


3. He acts as a counterweight to enthusiasm and speculation​

In enthusiast communities, there’s a natural drift toward:

  • Over-romanticizing rarity
  • Inflating the importance of minor options
  • Repeating half-remembered facts
  • Normalizing questionable modifications
GSXR’s role is often to say, bluntly:

  • “That’s not how it works.”
  • “That’s not factory.”
  • “That assumption is wrong.”
  • “You’re solving the wrong problem.”
This friction is healthy—and the community largely recognizes that.


4. He reinforces the datacard-driven culture​

GSXR is one of the contributors who:

  • Consistently defers to datacards, part numbers, and factory documentation
  • Challenges claims that aren’t backed by primary sources
  • Helps interpret what codes actually mean versus what owners want them to mean
In that sense, he’s a functional partner to datacard preservation, even if he’s not the archivist.

Where Gerry preserves the records, GSXR enforces their correct interpretation.


5. He’s respected even when he’s abrasive​

It’s fair to say:

  • GSXR’s tone can be sharp
  • He doesn’t sugarcoat answers
  • He has little patience for repeated myths or laziness
But importantly:

  • He’s rarely accused of being wrong on substance
  • Even people he disagrees with often concede his technical accuracy
  • Long-time members understand that his bluntness is part of the board’s quality control
This is a sign of earned authority, not positional authority.


6. He represents the “old-school expert” ethos​

GSXR embodies a type that has largely disappeared from modern platforms:

  • Deeply knowledgeable
  • Not brand-aligned
  • Not monetized
  • Not influencer-driven
  • Not chasing consensus
His presence signals to serious owners that:

This forum values correctness more than comfort.
That attracts a certain caliber of member—and repels others—which shapes the board’s identity.


7. How his role fits into the broader 500Eboard ecosystem​

You can think of the board as having complementary roles:
  • GerrySteward / archivist / infrastructure / continuity
  • GSXRTechnical authority / enforcement of engineering truth
  • Other senior membersSpecialists, historians, owners, documenters
GSXR doesn’t run the site—but he helps define its standards.


One-sentence summary​

GSXR’s role on 500Eboard is to act as a technically uncompromising authority who enforces engineering truth, counters mythmaking, and ensures that the forum’s discussions stay grounded in factory reality rather than enthusiasm or speculation.
 
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On 500Eboard, mushrooms are an inside joke, cultural signal, and shorthand for skepticism—they’re not random decoration. Their significance is subtle but important to how the community polices itself.

Here’s what they mean and why they persist.


1. Mushrooms = “fertile ground for bullshit”​

The core meaning is this:

Mushrooms grow where there’s rot, darkness, and unchecked nonsense.
On 500Eboard, mushrooms are used to signal:

  • Dubious claims
  • Magical thinking
  • Unsupported “I heard that…” statements
  • Overconfident speculation
  • Myths that flourish without evidence
When mushrooms appear (visually or rhetorically), it’s a warning:

This idea is growing in the dark—bring light (facts), or it’s trash.

2. They’re a visual shorthand for skepticism, not hostility​

Importantly, mushrooms are not primarily an insult to people. They’re aimed at:

  • Bad ideas
  • Lazy thinking
  • Folklore masquerading as fact
That distinction matters.

Instead of endless arguments, the mushroom imagery lets the community say:

“This claim hasn’t seen daylight yet.”
It’s a way of enforcing standards without long lectures.


3. They reinforce the board’s datacard-and-facts culture​

Mushrooms pair naturally with:

  • “Show the datacard”
  • “What’s the part number?”
  • “What does the factory documentation say?”
In other words:

  • Claims without sources → mushrooms
  • Claims with factory backing → discussion
This supports the broader mission shift you’ve been exploring:
from opinion-based enthusiasm → evidence-based preservation.


4. They act as a cultural immune system​

Every enthusiast community faces entropy:

  • New members
  • Rising values
  • Social media myths
  • Auction hyperbole
  • Influencer narratives
Mushrooms are part of 500Eboard’s immune response:

  • They discourage repetition of disproven myths
  • They warn newcomers that standards exist
  • They protect the signal-to-noise ratio
This is why the symbol stuck—it works.


5. They reflect the board’s humor style​

500Eboard humor tends to be:

  • Dry
  • Slightly abrasive
  • Self-aware
  • Anti-hype
Mushrooms fit that tone perfectly:

  • Absurd enough to be funny
  • Sharp enough to make a point
  • Not earnest or sentimental
It’s humor with a function.


6. Why mushrooms and not something else?​

Because mushrooms:

  • Appear suddenly
  • Spread quietly
  • Thrive in neglect
  • Look harmless but indicate decay underneath
That metaphor maps exactly onto bad automotive lore.

It’s actually a very precise choice.


7. How this ties back to Gerry’s stewardship​

The mushroom motif survives because:

  • It aligns with the board’s values
  • It discourages misinformation without heavy moderation
  • It lets culture do some of the policing, not just admins
That’s a hallmark of a mature community:

Shared symbols enforce shared standards.

One-sentence takeaway​

Mushrooms on 500Eboard symbolize ideas that grow without evidence—and serve as a humorous but firm reminder that claims must be grounded in factory facts, documentation, and reality.



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Here’s the direct connection—mushrooms are the symbol; GSXR is the enforcement mechanism. Together, they form the board’s myth-control system.


1. GSXR supplies the substance; mushrooms supply the signal

Think of it this way:

  • GSXR → delivers the technical correction
  • Mushrooms → flag that a claim has crossed into folklore territory
When a thread drifts into unsupported claims, what often happens is:

  1. Someone makes an assertion (“all 500Es had X,” “Porsche did Y,” “this option is super rare”)
  2. The idea spreads because it sounds plausible
  3. GSXR steps in and dismantles it using engineering logic, part numbers, or factory documentation
  4. Mushrooms appear—sometimes literally, sometimes rhetorically—to mark the moment
The mushroom says “this is nonsense”
GSXR explains why


2. Mushrooms soften what would otherwise be pure confrontation​

GSXR’s style is direct and uncompromising. Without a cultural shorthand, that could feel overly abrasive.

Mushrooms do something clever:

  • They pre-label the claim as suspect
  • They frame the correction as community norm enforcement, not personal attack
  • They turn the moment into a shared joke rather than a flame war
So instead of:

“GSXR just shut someone down”
It becomes:

“Ah—mushrooms. We’ve entered folklore territory.”
That makes GSXR’s intervention feel expected and legitimate, not aggressive.


3. Mushrooms warn newcomers​

This is crucial.

Experienced members often deploy mushroom references early to signal:

“Slow down. You’re about to summon GSXR.”
In that sense, mushrooms act as:

  • A yellow flag
  • A chance to self-correct
  • A reminder to check datacards, part numbers, or factory sources
If the warning is ignored, GSXR becomes the red flag.

This reduces noise and keeps GSXR from having to correct every bad idea.


4. GSXR turns mushrooms into teachable moments​

GSXR doesn’t just say “wrong.” He usually explains:

  • What Mercedes actually engineered
  • Why a belief persists
  • Where the misunderstanding comes from
  • What evidence contradicts it
This converts:

  • Mushroom-flagged nonsense → documented correction
Over time, those threads become reference material, which prevents the same myth from regrowing.

That’s how myth-control becomes myth extinction.


5. Mushrooms mark​

Many 500E myths come from category confusion:

  • Assuming AMG logic applies to Porsche-engineered cars
  • Treating W124 folklore as universal
  • Confusing later retrofits with factory options
  • Assuming rarity = intention
Mushrooms flag the category error:

“This doesn’t belong in the factual bucket.”
GSXR then re-categorizes the claim correctly:

  • Factory vs aftermarket
  • Engineering vs marketing
  • Anecdote vs documentation
That pairing is extremely effective.


6. Together they enforce a hierarchy of truth​

On 500Eboard, the implicit hierarchy is:

  1. Factory documentation (datacards, EPC, manuals)
  2. Engineering reality
  3. Long-term ownership experience
  4. Everything else
Mushrooms mock violations of this hierarchy.
GSXR explains why the hierarchy exists.

That’s not accidental—that’s cultural design.


7. Why this matters for the 500E specifically​

The 500E sits in a danger zone:

  • High value
  • Low production
  • Porsche involvement
  • Myth-friendly aura
Without myth-control:

  • Every option becomes “rare”
  • Every story becomes “special”
  • History becomes inflated
GSXR + mushrooms prevent the 500E from turning into auction-driven mythology.

They keep it:

  • Grounded
  • Verifiable
  • Historically honest

One-sentence synthesis​

Mushrooms signal when a myth is growing; GSXR eradicates it—together they form the board’s immune system against folklore, hype, and historical distortion.
 
500Eboard has a very specific, old-school forum culture, and its memes and inside jokes aren’t flashy—they’re functional, used to enforce norms, transmit experience, and quietly sort signal from noise.

Here are the most well-known ones, with what they actually mean.


1. 🍄 Mushrooms​

Meaning: Unsupported ideas, folklore, or “sounds-right” nonsense.

  • Used when claims grow without evidence
  • Signals myth formation, not malice
  • Often appears before a hard technical correction
Translation:

“This idea is growing in the dark. Bring facts.”
This is arguably the board’s most iconic symbol.


2. 📉 “Gerry’s Law”​

Meaning: Deferred maintenance always costs more than you think.

Usually phrased as:

“Whatever you think it will cost—double it. Then add more.”
It’s invoked when:

  • New owners underestimate restoration costs
  • Buyers rationalize cheap cars
  • Someone says “it just needs a few things”
Translation:

“Reality is about to teach you something.”

3. 🧾 “Show the datacard”​

Meaning: Claims require factory proof.

Used when someone asserts:

  • Rare options
  • Special builds
  • Unusual configurations
  • “Factory one-off” stories
Translation:

“Documentation or it didn’t happen.”
This phrase is central to the board’s authenticity culture.


4. 🔧 “That’s not how Mercedes engineered it”​

Often delivered bluntly (frequently by GSXR).

Used to shut down:

  • Over-complicated solutions
  • Modern aftermarket logic applied retroactively
  • Internet-derived “upgrades”
Translation:

“You’re solving a problem Mercedes already solved—better.”

5. 🛠️ “Because Porsche” (said dryly, not reverently)​

Used when people over-mystify Porsche’s involvement.

500Eboard culture treats Porsche as:

  • Important
  • Skilled
  • But not magical or infallible
Translation:

“Yes, Porsche helped. No, it doesn’t make this supernatural.”

6. 🧠 “This isn’t AMG logic”​

Used when people:

  • Apply AMG folklore to the 500E
  • Assume hand-built = bespoke everything
  • Confuse marketing narratives
Translation:

“Different teams, different philosophy, different reality.”

7. 💸 “You didn’t buy a cheap car—you bought an expensive one cheaply”​

Often said to new owners.

Used when:

  • Purchase price dominates decision-making
  • Maintenance realities are ignored
Translation:

“The bill comes later.”

8. 🧰 “Baseline it first”​

Refers to:

  • Restoring factory condition
  • Fixing known wear items
  • Undoing previous owners’ shortcuts
Used before any modification discussion.

Translation:

“Understand the car before you change it.”

9. 🕰️ “These cars don’t respond well to neglect”​

Often understated, almost clinical.

Used when:

  • Time-bomb issues are dismissed
  • Storage damage is underestimated
  • “Low miles” is treated as a virtue by itself
Translation:

“Mileage lies. Chemistry doesn’t.”

10. 🧑‍🏫 GSXR being “summoned”​

A meta-joke.

When a thread drifts into:

  • Myths
  • Half-truths
  • Engineering fantasy
Someone will joke that:

“GSXR is about to show up.”
Translation:

“This conversation is about to be corrected.”

11. 🧠 Dry understatement as humor​

500Eboard humor is:

  • Minimal
  • Technical
  • Often deadpan
Jokes are rarely marked as jokes.

Example tone:

“That would be… optimistic.”
Which actually means:

“Absolutely not.”

12. 📚 “This has been covered before” (but with a link)​

Unlike dismissive forums, this usually includes:

  • A link
  • A thread reference
  • A technical explanation
Translation:

“We value continuity over repetition.”

Why these memes matter​

They aren’t just jokes—they’re cultural tools:

  • They discourage misinformation
  • They flatten hierarchy (facts > personalities)
  • They preserve institutional memory
  • They keep the signal-to-noise ratio high
Most importantly, they:

Reward seriousness without killing humor

One-sentence takeaway​

500Eboard’s memes aren’t for entertainment—they’re compact, repeatable ways of enforcing technical rigor, historical accuracy, and hard-earned ownership wisdom without needing rules or moderation theater.
 
One-sentence summary
GSXR’s role on 500Eboard is to act as a technically uncompromising authority who enforces engineering truth, counters mythmaking, and ensures that the forum’s discussions stay grounded in factory reality rather than enthusiasm or speculation.
So weird to see AI distill 15+ years of posting into a detailed analysis! It was, I think, fairly accurate? 🤓



One-sentence synthesis
Mushrooms signal when a myth is growing; GSXR eradicates it—together they form the board’s immune system against folklore, hype, and historical distortion.
The AI mushroom synopsis is HILARIOUS. :LOL:

:jono:
 
So weird to see AI distill 15+ years of posting into a detailed analysis! It was, I think, fairly accurate? 🤓

The AI mushroom synopsis is HILARIOUS. :LOL:
My favorite part is where GSXR is characterized as "abrasive." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I dunno where chappy gets its definition of "abrasive" from (I was thinking of others being abrasive, not GSXR) but I digress...... can I interest you in some sandpaper? 😁

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