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For the 190E 2.3-16 Fans Among Us

Great little cars. I tried so hard to by a manual 190e, but they are damn hard to come by. Although the euro version is definitely the one to go for, it had over 200hp.
 
Beautiful video, so well done, I have seen others from them that are equally enjoyable. It really captures the ownership experience that sounds similar to many of us here. I've had my car for about 4 months now and its keeps growing on my every day. Today I finally got a thumbs up from someone on the highway. Another fellow traveler of the sleeper club Mercedes sports sedans.
 
Not sure how many of you may have read an item which I posted on another thread recently, viz a 190E 2.6 16 Evolution (admittedly with only 2772 km on the clock) fetching £292k at a recent auction over here.
 
Speaking of 16Vs, there's this nice example at Bring a Trailer:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-mercedes-benz-190e-2-3-16-6/

Already well past the price of the recent green E500 with similar mileage that sold on BaT recently for around $19,000. Have 16Vs jumped over E500Es in price/collectibility? Are they being dragged up by the insane M3 market? Racing heritage? Manual transmission?

Re: Petrolicious, I really like their videos too. They tend to feature two kinds of owners. One is a guy with a fleet of "it" cars. Cars that everyone wants. The other type of owner has one car that not everyone would find desirable, he's spent way more time/money on it than it's market value justifies, and he loves that car more than just about anything else. I like the latter type of videos best even if I normally wouldn't find the car interesting. And then the videos make me think it would be pretty cool to have a Trans Am! (Note: there isn't anything wrong with someone who has a fleet of awesome cars either!)
 
I don't know that "generally" 16Vs have eclipsed E500Es in price/collectability, but they certainly are related. And yes, I think the E30 M3 market's rise has led to a rise in the 16Vs desirability because it's an "alternate" auto.

The nice thing for the 16V are the non-us "Evo I" and "Evo II" models, which provided some additional visual and performance substance/sizzle over the regular 16Vs. Moreso than the "E500 Limited" models did for the .036 market (AMG 6.0s notwithstanding, which are pretty rare and bespoke).

Racing heritage, limited production, manny tranny, overall "tossability" and such all make the 16V a very attractive choice. I almost bought a very nice one in the early 1990s from Monte Shelton Jaguar in Portland for around $9K at the time. The only thing that stopped me was the auto-box, which is so dang typical on the US models.

A couple of things about the 16V that I don't like: build quality/materials not as good as E500E and C126 IMHO; substantially de-tuned US motor as compared to E500E; and general tweaked-ness (boy-racerism) of so many of them makes the good ones really more valuable. So many of the 16Vs were used up and spit out ... driven hard and put away wet. I also prefer the punch of a V-8 engine -- bottom line. I know the 16V in concert with a manual is a great combo.

That said - great cars. Just not for me (personally).

Cheers,
Gerry
 
Great little cars. I tried so hard to by a manual 190e, but they are damn hard to come by. Although the euro version is definitely the one to go for, it had over 200hp.

NAm (And Euro KAT version) 2.3-16 was 167 bhp
Euro 2.3-16 was 185 bhp
2.5-16 was 195 bhp
2.5-16 Evolution 1 was 195 bhp but peaks 500rpm higher than "regular" 2.5-16
2.5-16 Evolution 2 was 232 bhp

Excerpt from an article that is posted on http://www.mercedes-evolution.co.uk/

The page does not credit the original article but I have a copy somewhere at home.
Evo 2 Explained by the Engineers:
Engine:
Mercedes-Benz engine development chief Rudiger Herzog concentrated on detail changes to the EVOI engine, altering most of the internal parts in his quest for a more efficient power unit. The engine block was modifed to use a chain driven oil pump to increase flow capacity and the crankshaft was lichtened by eliminating 4 of the 8 counerweights.

Gerhard Lepler, the engineer responsible for all the 16 valve 190Es, explained that, "Our latest high precision engineering has allowed us to do this without running into vibration problems. The lighter crankshaft has less rotating inertia and hence faster throttle response."

Aerodynamics:
As Gerhard Lepler explained: "When you add spoilers to a car, you normally increase downforce and thus stability around corners and down straights. You also normally increase drag and then need more power and fuel compensate. We have managed to actually reduce the drag coefficient of the EVOII by very careful attention to detail"

Mercedes-Benz engineers having established that sufficient air to cool the motor, even at racing speeds, was being provided by the large intake under the bumper -- blocked off the radiator behind the chromed grill. This significantly cuts engine compartment drag. They also smoothed the airflow beneath the car with several flat bolt on sections mainly towards the rear. A longer car is also easier to contour aerodynamically and new, longer front and rear bumper/valence molding have been designed to optimize air penetration and separation.

Comparing the 2.5-16 vs the Sport EVO 1 vs the EVO 2:
To make sense of the comparaison, I drove the stock 2.5-16 first, the the Evolution 1 and finally the Evolution 2. The first few laps in the 2.5-16 were purely exploratory as I never driven at Hockenheim before.

The 2.5-16 is a remarkable car on track. Its controls -- steering, dogleg-first shifter, clutch, brakes and throttle give plenty of feedback. The car feels solid, small and balanced that it becomes an extension of our limbs. The stock 2.5-16 has considerable body roll and its brakes are good to a point but not quite good enough for track use.

The Evolution I has a much gustier-feeling engine, even though on paper it is equal to the 2.5-16. It goes harder, it revs with greater alacrity and it feels snapier. The EVO 1's stiffer springs and shocks make all the difference. The slightly altered gearing also shows up on straights. So its faster, and superbly balanced handling can be exploited even more with the wider rubber. Best of all are the brakes. Where the 2.5-16 washes off speed convincingly, the anchors on the EVO 1 feel like a drag chute has just opened behind you.

The jump from the EVO 1 to the EVO 2 feels less pronounced. The car is most definitely faster, but you must really wind out the motor. Not that it complains. This motor spins like a dynamo. The larger tires give the EVO 2 even more grip, but the new limited slip differential has an effective stabilizing action.


Having upgraded the front brakes on my own 2.3-16 to the 500E Brembos (which were also speced on the Evo2) I can confirm that the braking power of these brakes in a lighter car is nothing short of astonishing. And remember, the Evo1 "only" had 400E brakes and I've not yet upgraded my rear brakes, booster or M/C yet.
 
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