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FOR SALE FS: 1994 E500, Pearl Black/Black, 74kkm?, €29k (The Netherlands)

jeroens

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Hi everyone.

Not sure i placed this in the correct group

My name is jeroen de jong and i have been reading on this site for a few years and would really like to own a 500E, There is a japan imported (including a stay over in the emirates) E500 for sale here, on non original wheels and some other bits and bobs that i would be replacing to bring it back to original condition, the car has 73k km on the clock which i really like but no history what so ever not even the jdm auction paper so i have no insurance about the odometer being correct.

I do have a VIN nr and know that gerryz keeps an elaborate database for vin nr’s. Maby he or somebody else could help me with some information about the car , ( mileage correct? Accident? Anybody viewed the car before)it would be greatly appreciated, as i will maby view the car tomorrow.

WDB1240361C096311

kind regards

jeroen.
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Hi Jeroen

Welcome officially to the forum!

Do you have any photos of the E500? I am in the Emirates and know of most of the cars here in the last few years.

Regards

Bill
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Hi Jeroen

Welcome officially to the forum!

Do you have any photos of the E500? I am in the Emirates and know of most of the cars here in the last few years.

Regards

Bill



Hi bill,

thanks for the welcome

http://www.tonenautomotive.nl/auto/...00 "Made By Porsche"|Brabus|schuif dak|leder

this is her, hope somebody wont beat me to it now ��. From what i understood the car has hardly driven in the emirates, but still there are some rust blisters on the bonnet and the roof..

€ 28.995

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Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Hi bill,

thanks for the welcome

http://www.tonenautomotive.nl/auto/...E500 "Made By Porsche"|Brabus|schuifdak|leder

this is her, hope somebody wont beat me to it now . From what i understood the car has hardly driven in the emirates, but still there are some rust blisters on the bonnet and the roof..

Hi. I know this car and even test drove it. Checked out very well, some odd piping in the engine bay for coolant and also a rust patch underneath the washer bottle if I can remember correctly. Apart from that it's a really nice E500.
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Thank you that is very helpfull, did you believe the mileage? And what withheld you from buying the car back then? Who was selling back then?
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Thank you that is very helpfull, did you believe the mileage? And what withheld you from buying the car back then? Who was selling back then?

It was for sale at a local dealer. I knew the car before that, when it firstly came from Japan, had scratches on the bumpers but it seems like they sprayed them. It was also wearing EVO-II alloys back then. I ended up purchasing my 500E for 5k EUR cheaper, however that E500 was priced very well, I think around 13 or 14k EUR. I think it has had paint for sure.
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Also I am not sure about the mileage, it did not have any paperwork unfortunatly. The first garage also had 3x E500's, this was best of the bunch.
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Very helpfull information , yes the bumpers are glossy which they should not be, damn that was a sweet price, wish i could buy for those prices... but back then it had similar mileage ? So i can assume that since it came from japan to the emirates it was not clocked back?
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

FYI... this car was originally delivered in Germany. That means it is not Japan-spec, and should have both the engine oil cooler, and latest/greatest braking system (based on the VIN) with the larger rear brakes & switching master cylinder.

WDB1240361C096311

https://www.datamb.com/vin/GkZjydzq9MnAb1YrR

It's strange the cluster shows "Exhaust Temp" on the far right, perhaps this was required when it was imported to Japan? Also, the headlight lenses may be for Japanese left-hand traffic... and the right-hand traffic lenses may be NLA.

:apl:
 
Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Hi Jeroen,

It looks like a very nice E500. But.. The mileage would suspicious for me. I see wear on the steering wheel and at the driver seat, as well a little on the passenger seat?
Anyway, keep your eyes open and don't let the odometer fool you. Low mileage does not mean low maintenance costs.
In this price range you have more choice. No history records is also suspicious.
If you want you can have a look at my E500 just to compare. Mine has 200k miles (320.000 km). I live 20 km south of Amsterdam.
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

I agree. It did not feel like a vehicle with 70kkm. It was also down on power but that could be a number of things.
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Thanks for all the feedback, this is without a doubt one of the best forums�� I have seen the wear on the steering wheel and the seat, i used to own a S500 designo w140 with 200kkm and the wear was similar.. i am going to have a look tomorrow, hakie thanks for the offer, if tou have time tomorrow i would love to come visit you..
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Hi hakie, i have sent you a pm back but for some reason it is not working, i think your phone number is one digit short

jeroen.
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

You are correct Dave.
I have a LTD that was a German car, then exported to Japan before returning to Europe.
It also has the "exhaust temp" on the right hand side of the cluster, just the same as this one
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Yes good point from dave, i had not seen this yet, this would indicate that the instrument cluster has most likely been changed for jdm market? Or would they simply modify this cluster? If the car makes a good impression i could always see if the mercedes dealer can see at which mileage the car had been exported from germany, had a good conversation with guus this evening, and seeing the wear on the interior and since there is no documentation there is a fair chance the mileage is simply not correct..
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Hi everybody,

So i viewed the car today ,and i will share some of my findings (what i can recollect) with you guys

Let me say upfront that i work with cars as an occupation and have for almost 20yrs of which the biggest part has been with porsche's ,so i have spent a big part of my life up close to cars and i am a very particulate person when it comes to the fine details..

The first impression was not too bad, but definately not perfect.. the front right door ,roof and engine lid where the only parts not painted of which the roof and engine lid both had some small rust blisters, underside as far as i could see had not much rust, drivers door was rusty underneath and some small patches here and there and as our forum member living in dubai had stated there was rust underneath the washer bottle, only thing is they had now welded in a new piece of metal which was not done very nicely and was also starting to rust on the welds again, paint was OK, a lot of body filler on the offside rear wheel arch and enough imperfections and paint defects here and there to annoy me, headlights had been opened before and where not in a good condition but then again the car is not priced to be perfect..(but certainly not a bargain, since it has absolutely no history documentation)

many electrical things where not working :drivers seat headrest, rear sun shade,foglight warning bulb,radio,antenna,central locking,rear headrests, and i am forgetting some more things that i have tested.

the engine wiring harness was stripped close to the rear of the engine ,also the engine was slightly stumbling on idle, not running as smooth as i know they can do, it was all a bit grimey under the bonnet and when it shifted gear under power the multi belt would slip and i could see that the underside was definatly not free from oil leaks, the exhaust no longer had the original cat's but something aftermarket welded in place and the rear muffler had been welded on pretty poorly ,and there was a fair bit of overspray from painting the sacco side plates in high gloss anthracite, there was no oppertunity to lift the car up.

the gearbox was clearly hesitating when shifting at normal speed and under full load i could regularly detect it shift too harsh or not holding the revs nicely, so to my opinion it will need an overhaul.

it was clear that the car had seen hot climates as most of the vinyl interior panelling on the pillars ,doors, center console and ceilling was coming loose from the intense heat it had endured and the leather had become pretty hard and was slightly tearing at different places, wood had a few cracks and damages which you see often at this age, under the offside floormat there was a lot of aftermarket cables and other stuff that was left there.

i most certainly got more of a 200kkm+ vibe then the 73K it was showing..

Engine still felt powerfull tho ,but under power the rear end felt sloppy and not very controlled, and the car did not feel as planted as it should.

By now i am skipping many little details that i have seen but it is too much to list, it is not an awfull car but another typical example of wherever you look you will see something that needs attention..

I am slowly starting to come to the conclusion that maby the combination of my OCD habits and the prices that these cars are now collecting might mean that the car that i am looking for is out off my reach by know.. it is a real shame because i REALLY like these machines and am envious of you guys owning a fine example, if only i was 5 years earlier ...

i will still keep my eyes peeled , but will focus on the cars sold privately by the enthousiast.. somebody who is on the same page as me.

thanks for helping me out and i hope that me sharing my findings will help out with the whole 500E archive here :-)

Jeroen.
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Mileage roll back sometimes happens in Europe before they get shipped to Japan! So unless there’s history/service book from originating country assume it’s rolled back! Agree driver seat is way too shiny for that mileage.

This is the problem with cars originating from the EU then japan - Mideast - back to EU. You are better off with a real JDM car ie japan delivery, that comes with history, albeit it Japanese but can have it translated and the numbers are there.
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Just to add to your disappointment, all the "brabus" stuff is fake.

Japan had the same board map and service book as the rest of the world, obviously in Japanese and they have an annual inspection... which all these "JDM auction cars" lack.

There are good cars in Japan (and every where), but these don't end up on export auction lots and definitely too expensive to end up as "cheap old cars" in the gulf.

Good luck and I hope you find an authentic car
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Hi Jeroen,

Been following this thread with interest.

Given what you have described in #19, and also concerns about the car's true mileage - I'd recommend walking away from this one.

There are plenty of better E500E's to be found if you are patient. And given that nearly all will need a certain amount of expenditure to cover some "deferred" maintenance items, to pay Euros 28k for this car, when there appears to be so many problems before you even consider the unseen ones, seems unwise?

Don't be in a rush!
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Agree with the rest mate, honestly if it was immaculate I would have bought it but given the issues it had I passed and bought a cheaper one which needed similar work anyway.
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Dont lose heart. I truly believe we are in a price bubble... The classic car market will cool as soon as interest rates rise, and you will see more good examples for around 20K EUR again.

Too many have invested in them as a financial opportunity rather than for pleasure. As soon as the market turns, they will show thier faces.
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

Mileage roll back sometimes happens in Europe before they get shipped to Japan! So unless there’s history/service book from originating country assume it’s rolled back! Agree driver seat is way too shiny for that mileage.

This is the problem with cars originating from the EU then japan - Mideast - back to EU. You are better off with a real JDM car ie japan delivery, that comes with history, albeit it Japanese but can have it translated and the numbers are there.


I agree.. but you often only really know when you see the car in the flesh...

I would like to buy a japanese E500E since they are often pretty free from rust and tend to have fairly low mileages, but buying sight unseen for me is not an option since i am way too picky,unless it is a very new car with a very low mileage.. have any of you ever bought a E500E from japan without viewing the car yourself?
 
Re: Vin check for a E500 in the netherlands

To be honest jaymanek, i hope you are right . And about the investors this is true, i vieuwed a 500E in 2015 and talked about it on this forum, the car was for sale for €15.000 and was rust free and a good basis for restoring, but it needed A LOT of work.. it was al little too much for my liking, now the car is for sale again in belgium witth exactly the same mileage (142kkm) and they are asking €27.500 and it looks if anything even worse than 3 yrs ago...
 
I think this has been discussed in more detail previously, but Japan auction cars tend to have a few issues: they almost never have ANY service records or ownership history, the odometer readings are often questionable, and since Japan is relatively small the low odometer readings can mean abnormally high wear on everything despite the low odometer.

Also, Japan-spec cars are almost identical to USA-spec, meaning they don't have engine oil coolers, and don't have the late/third upgrade to the braking system which started early in facelift (E500) production. Of course some of the cars for sale there are Euro-spec, so you need to check the datacard order code if you care about that stuff.

:seesaw:
 
I think this has been discussed in more detail previously, but Japan auction cars tend to have a few issues: they almost never have ANY service records or ownership history, the odometer readings are often questionable, and since Japan is relatively small the low odometer readings can mean abnormally high wear on everything despite the low odometer.

Also, Japan-spec cars are almost identical to USA-spec, meaning they don't have engine oil coolers, and don't have the late/third upgrade to the braking system which started early in facelift (E500) production. Of course some of the cars for sale there are Euro-spec, so you need to check the datacard order code if you care about that stuff.

yes good point about the japanese cars, i think they are mainly interesting if you go to japan and search for a car that is not for sale at the auctions but at a specialist company..

Are the oil cooler and uprated brakes a necessity? Since you have talked about them twice in this topic? So much an improvement that it is worth getting the E500. Over the 500E?
 
Are the oil cooler and uprated brakes a necessity? Since you have talked about them twice in this topic? So much an improvement that it is worth getting the E500. Over the 500E?
This depends on your location and intended use. If you live in Europe and plan to spend time on unrestricted sections of Autobahn at 260kph, yes, the oil cooler and uprated brakes would be highly desirable.

If you live somewhere that the car would rarely exceed 100mph / 160kph, like USA or Japan, neither item is critical. You can upgrade an early 500E to larger brake calipers front + rear with minimal effort and modest cost, if you find the early/small brakes not as effective as you'd like. The oil cooler can also be retrofitted but it's relatively expensive. If using top-grade full-synthetic oil, you may not need the oil cooler anyway.

:watermelon:
 
This depends on your location and intended use. If you live in Europe and plan to spend time on unrestricted sections of Autobahn at 260kph, yes, the oil cooler and uprated brakes would be highly desirable.

If you live somewhere that the car would rarely exceed 100mph / 160kph, like USA or Japan, neither item is critical. You can upgrade an early 500E to larger brake calipers front + rear with minimal effort and modest cost, if you find the early/small brakes not as effective as you'd like. The oil cooler can also be retrofitted but it's relatively expensive. If using top-grade full-synthetic oil, you may not need the oil cooler anyway.

:watermelon:

right i see.

i live 10 min from the german border and thus the autobahn.. but the autobahn isnt what it used to be.

brakes and oil cooler might be nice extra’s indeed, but for now i will focus on the nicest E500E i find affordable.. and maby it is wise to give it some time since the prices might come down again ... what do you guys think in regard to the values of these cars?

I want a E500E bacause i really like everything this car offers! not because they are valued higher.
 
I suggest you continue your search presently. I don't think prices will go much lower than they are now and for the next 4 to 5 months. Hard to predict the economy/future however I feel waiting for much lower prices would offer bad odds.

drew
 
Hoi,

Have you tried Marco for a car in the Netherlands? He is in Heerhugowaard.

Are you near Tiel or Njimegen? I'll be there this spring for a Operation Market Garden tour with some local buds...


https://www.500e.nl/
 

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