Org. Springs color code?

[BRABUS124]

Ive got a special C124 3.4 AMG and both front springs are broken.
Im wondering what to buy here..
The car gas the code 957 AMG.
The dampers says AMG but the springs are just black with color code 3 red 3 yellow and 1 blue under the coil with the red, and yellow markibgs. So what do they lean.?

Mercedes, dealer are not so great at finding parts, anymore and Im not sure they find the right EPC category as the, AMG parts does not come up automaticly by win number.
But they say it should be a group 5 spring in front. Partnumber 124 321 23 04
Vin number is.
WDB 124051 1B 818862

But what do you say here it should have and about the color codes? See picture.

 

[gsxr]

The colored paint stripes are manufacturing marks, they do not indicate a specific part number. The single red or blue mark indicates a "long" or "short" spring. You use a thicker or thinner spring pad for red or blue, per the chart in the EPC based on your car's optional equipment.

The EPC indicates your car likely has Sportline springs, and the front springs may still be available new. The part number is stamped on the bottom coil near the end. You will need to remove the springs from the car to look for the part number.

 

[puchak]

Slick top 3.4 coupe? Whew.

 

[BRABUS124]

The colored paint stripes are manufacturing marks, they do not indicate a specific part number. The single red or blue mark indicates a "long" or "short" spring. You use a thicker or thinner spring pad for red or blue, per the chart in the EPC based on your car's optional equipment.

The EPC indicates your car likely has Sportline springs, and the front springs may still be available new. The part number is stamped on the bottom coil near the end. You will need to remove the springs from the car to look for the part number.

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So I got the blue once. And in the picture you show it says blue is long spring,
but the picture shows it's shorter than the red one?
Anyway. Does that mean there's only 2 spring sizes red and blue and the rest is adjusted by the rubber pads by the point system?
The pads would be reuseable right?
So I just need new springs?

 

[gsxr]

So I got the blue once. And in the picture you show it says blue is long spring,
but the picture shows it's shorter than the red one?

The photo shows a front spring and a rear spring - sorry, that is a bit confusing! At the time it was all I had available to show in a picture. The difference between Red and Blue (on the same spring part number) is very small. Like maybe 5mm difference in free length. Which is why a different rubber pad will compensate.

Anyway. Does that mean there's only 2 spring sizes red and blue and the rest is adjusted by the rubber pads by the point system?

Correct - you order the specific part number for your car, and see which spring you receive (Red or Blue). Then select the appropriate rubber pad via the point system.

The pads would be reuseable right? So I just need new springs?

Generally, yes, the pads can be re-used. However, the thicker pads tend to crush over time and will result in a lower ride height. New pads might be a good idea if your car specifies thick pads via the point system.

 

[BRABUS124]

Hmm. Im defently not impressed on
my Keen try of getting the right springs.

I served mercedes all info.
Vin number wdb 124051 1B 818862
And speficly told them to watch out, due to the this car beeing an original AMG
so they would have to look up if it got AMG suspension! . And specificly made them clear about the AMG cars of this era are NOT listed with AMG parts through vin number.
Same goes for the AMG headgasket.
So what they need to do, is to manually go to that AMG menu inside EPC for this car and then look what partnumber it says.and look at the SA codes.
It has AMG stampes into the dampers,
so it must for sure have the springs as well.
It also have the AMG wheel wide fender kit for side fenders, because it has the AMG wider wheels.

But no. They obvouis went with the vin number alone.
Handing me over standart springs
you can't work with people thinking your talking bull..
And go their own ways same thing happened 10 years ago for the headgasket of all people ordering headgasket for the 3.4+3.6 AMG no matter the chassis 124 129 210
Every mercedes store here with vin number claimed they had the right headgasket.
By win number and it started with A alreaddy there you know they don't know premerger is listed on a side menu... It starts, with H WA 104 and are the same partnumber for 3.4+3.6
I even made them to make sure they where correct. I know they are from 1992 so those fitted are original never changed.
I should have found the springs my self

Thise are 40mm to high

 

[gsxr]

What springs did you buy - what brand, and part number? Those do not look like OE / Genuine Mercedes springs.

Is there any part number visible stamped onto your old springs?

 

[BRABUS124]

Your right it's not OE. But spot on the right number and group 5 is what i got. See the label here. They are equal to OE spec they said. And part numbers are not visable on the old once. We have that salty roqds here now n the winter times. Sadly the car had been used for such 2 times.

 

[BRABUS124]

The correct t AMG part number should have been.
H WA 124 321 02 04

 

[gsxr]

"equal to OE spec" only helps if the company specifies the exact Mercedes part number the spring replaces. If you measure the coil wire diameter, and free length of the Suplex spring, we could probably figure out the approximate OE spring number.

Your car had Sports undercarriage and originally should have been built with Sportline spring # 124-323-29-04, 124-321-29-04 as shown back in post #2. It's possible that with the AMG conversion, the Sportline springs were removed and replaced with MG-specific HWA-part number springs, however there's probably no way to tell for certain. The EPC does NOT show any AMG, HWA- part number coil springs for your chassis.

Also: There are NO aftermarket "OE spec" springs for Sportline or AMG springs. You can still buy 124-323-29-04, 124-321-29-04 new from the dealer though.

 

[BRABUS124]

"equal to OE spec" only helps if the company specifies the exact Mercedes part number the spring replaces. If you measure the coil wire diameter, and free length of the Suplex spring, we could probably figure out the approximate OE spring number.

Your car had Sports undercarriage and originally should have been built with Sportline spring # 124-323-29-04, as shown back in post #2. It's possible that with the AMG conversion, the Sportline springs were removed and replaced with MG-specific HWA-part number springs, however there's probably no way to tell for certain. The EPC does NOT show any AMG, HWA- part number coil springs for your chassis.

Also: There are NO aftermarket "OE spec" springs for Sportline or AMG springs. You can still buy 124-323-29-04 new from the dealer though.

The truth about the code 957 is that it has been AMG ordered from factory. But the way it worked is that for a car to have that AMG Conversion for a 3.4 AMG has specific codes the car needs to have from factory.
Such as the sportline option.
Due to all the other components.
Not many knows this. But all sedan and coupe 3.4 conversions have very specific option that are not up the the customer to chose from.
Sedan and coupe have 90L. Gas tank. If it's a code 957.
And they got ASD as well.
And the sportline option as well as specific car codes not to chose from.
You couldn't order an AMG 3.4 factory code 957 in red. It was not possible, unless you first bought the car and after went to AMG for the conversion, but then it's not an factory ordered AMG car with the option code 957. If it has the code 990 it means it has all the AMG options no ekseptions. Ducktail bodykit wheels suspension. Speedo 280 etc, no factory ordered 957/990 has ever come with an 300 Km/h speedo if you see that. It's not a factory ordered AMG 3.4
Or 3.6 for that matter.

But stuff like body kit was optional and the 280 km/h speedo was optional for the customer to chose or not with the code 957
This specific car was chosen as a Stealth optic with just the engine and suspension. Not the body kit or speedo.

All those detail are writen in the AMG service manual that came with the car.

The company i order from Gørlæse auto import has been in the game from these cars were new. To day they are also official mercedes dealer. Thats why the MB order number is on their label on my picture along with the group 5 mentioned for the points collected for that equiped vil number.
But the guy there just forgot i specificly told him not to follow the full vin number but find the AMG Listing for this car.

Ane yes it is listed in EPC for this eksactly car model 124051 under the AMG spec menu and there are only 2 front springs listed, with and without selvf leveling suspension.
The rest is adjusted by the rubber plads. And the part number i showed is the correct AMG front spring number for this 051 car without SLS.

But not Many people understand the way they have to seach for specific parts for an premerger AMG in EPC hence the reason i was very specific pointing that out to the guy i talked to. To educate him as well as every one i have come across that dossent seams to know how to find those parts.

It goes like this.
You don't type in all the vin number in EPC.
That will lock out the AMG mens even though they are factory AMGs
You just type WDB124051 that's the chassis type. Then press enter. EPC will. Now show the AMG menu for all AMG related parts for that chassis and that engine "051“ meaning coupe with M104.980 engine.
And all the parts for engine suspension body kit etc are found on the last group and there's no differ in springs as your in that chassis type and engine alreaddy. And AMG alreaddy has specific mounted factory equipment. But still has the points for the plads if such as sunroof and aux heater or AC is chosen. But for the springs there's only 2 part numbers for a 051 model, and that's with and without SLS.
I should have known he sent me the OE none AMG springs.

But anyway Im pretty sure the H WA 124 springs are no longer available. But the AMG springs was around a 30-35mm lowering of the car so the best option here would be to find the eqevilent H&R lowering kit. Most likely the same spring fysics as the AMG once. They also chose bilstein as suplier for the shocks that most likely is an eqevilent to B6 performance/B8 Shocks, they got the same valve inside, B8 just have a shorter travel/ stop leangth. For lowered suspension.
Sad to have non AMG parts and numbers on. But if they work the same. That's the bedst i can do. I guess.

 

[Sebastopol]

Is the Sportline spring part#: 124-321-29-04, I don’t see the “323-29-04” ?
I attached a spring data page for W124, AMG lists the spring coil thickness at 15.15mm, so the 29-04 is a match.

Brabus124 can you provide the wire diameter of the AMG springs?

 

[gsxr]

Yes, sorry! 124-321-29-04 is a front Sportline spring with 15.2mm wire diameter.

 

[gsxr]

It goes like this.
You don't type in all the vin number in EPC.
That will lock out the AMG mens even though they are factory AMGs
You just type WDB124051 that's the chassis type. Then press enter. EPC will. Now show the AMG menu for all AMG related parts for that chassis and that engine "051“ meaning coupe with M104.980 engine.
And all the parts for engine suspension body kit etc are found on the last group and there's no differ in springs as your in that chassis type and engine alreaddy. And AMG alreaddy has specific mounted factory equipment. But still has the points for the plads if such as sunroof and aux heater or AC is chosen. But for the springs there's only 2 part numbers for a 051 model, and that's with and without SLS.

Yes, the AMG suspension is SA code 77000, screenshots below. It would be strange if your car was a factory AMG vehicle but did not show this SA in the datacard.

I should have known he sent me the OE none AMG springs.

They sent you aftermarket springs, not OE. "OE" means "Genuine Mercedes" complete with Mercedes part numbers on them.

But anyway Im pretty sure the H WA 124 springs are no longer available. But the AMG springs was around a 30-35mm lowering of the car so the best option here would be to find the eqevilent H&R lowering kit. Most likely the same spring fysics as the AMG once. They also chose bilstein as suplier for the shocks that most likely is an eqevilent to B6 performance/B8 Shocks, they got the same valve inside, B8 just have a shorter travel/ stop leangth. For lowered suspension.
Sad to have non AMG parts and numbers on. But if they work the same. That's the bedst i can do. I guess.

Correct, the AMG springs have been NLA for years, if not decades. The H&R springs are a gamble because, like all aftermarket springs, they are "one size fits most". I'd go with the factory Sportline springs, but that's just me. B6/B8 Sport would be fine for struts.

 

[doolar]

Tons of shops use ”OE” incorrectly these days using it to define aftermarket junk parts. Autodoc is the largest offender I know of in Europe.