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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $4,500 (Calgary, Canada)

So, I bought this car! Drove her cross country back to Toronto. She's in good shape still.
 
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Re: 1992 Mercedes-Benz 500E. 165kMiles/266Kms Alberta, Canada $4.5CDN

Well, I hope she's more then a parts car! I bought her and drove her cross country, home to Toronto. I've been working on it, the dent is a piece of cake and the rust patches though numerous are light surface. Be that as it may they still are what they are. She still runs tight and strong.
 
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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $4,500 (Calgary, Canada)

Merged duplicate threads on same car.

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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $4,500 (Calgary, Canada)

Please excuse me and thanks!
 
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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Heard that the car sold today. Anyone here buy it?

:bbq:
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Hi, no it did not sell. Had an absolutely ridiculous offer however! (likely inspired by this thread ;) ). I'm still up in the air on keeping it (as I now have two). She has a rough idle that I will get to, substantially better after changing the plugs/caps/rotors/wires. I am suspicious of the fuel pump and will be investigating it next. This car seems to be getting it's share of frowns and I feel a tad defensive after spending every night in the engine bay with a toothbrush! I don't know what engine issues the previous owner(s) may have referred to, but I do know (no offense if they stumble across this thread) that the previous owner knew little about this car. The climate system was referred to as broken to me - the blower not operable at all. Of course it was just the 30A fuse, it blows cold a/c (something I've never experienced in a w124) and hot as well. The rear shocks are not weeping though the passenger side accumulator is out, I will swap both if keeping. There is no check engine light. It came from Calgary - the land of raised pickup trucks and atv's and next to zero euro mechanics. This car of course could not sell out there and I found it worth it to fly out from Toronto and DRIVE it home and be financially logical, considering what I payed for my other 500e. This will definitely be factored into my asking price along with work being done, IF I decide to let her go. The black interior and lowered stance make it seem like a totally different car then my silver one. Some hideous blue HID lights (they are effective however) were installed and the sound system was shredded to provide for an "amp" and "subwoofer" (scoff), in addition to numerous smatterings of AMG throughout the vehicle, (this is NOT an E60 conversion), before the mechanicals were attended to. I have some interest in it, but as I said, I am not decided on selling and will post detailed pictures in full glory should I not and when my work is done.


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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

ALL,

The running rough at idle may just be the motor mounts. PITA to change but definitely worth the trouble.

Good luck with it.

Take Care
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Thanks Terry, I'll add it to the checklist, I assume they must be pretty rough at this point regardless.
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Dave, any inside word on what those engine issues you referred to are? I may as well list the steps to my project so far:

New trunk
Trunk lock
Rear wheel bearing
Fuel pump(s)/filter
Oil/filter
Window button/regulator
Fender repair (structural)
Plugs (Bosch)
Caps/rotors/wires
Lights/fuses
Upper engine harness
EZL (500e)
...Replaced chrome trim with black.

The car drives and handles fine, in the utilitarian sense, but still has a rough idle and takes far longer to get to 60mph then it should. Basically flooring it, it revvs late (even for the pedal travel) and the revvs can get up to (*gulp*) 5000 rpm and the car just calmly and condescendingly says: "That's nice... but I'm going to take my sweet time here Michael".

Before I start pulling headlights and getting to ignition coils, any advice from the council?

BTW, the car is for sale if someone wants to make an offer...
If I get it up to par before someone buys it, it likely may not be for sale anymore!

Aran.
 
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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Also, I'm curious - according to a post by a former seller of this car, it could use new valve cover gaskets.

How likely are bad gaskets to cause the rough idle and especially the hesitation on take off?
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Also, I'm curious - according to a post by a former seller of this car, it could use new valve cover gaskets.

How likely are bad gaskets to cause the rough idle and especially the hesitation on take off?
Valve cover gaskets? Between zero and none. Sorry...

:wormhole:
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Valve cover gaskets? Between zero and none. Sorry...

:wormhole:

Maybe zero and .1%...it's possible oil is leaking into one or more spark plug wells. I haven't seen this on an M119 but it's happened to me on my M104.
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Ooops, Glen is correct. If you have plug wells filled with oil, that could cause problems. Easy to check...

:shocking:
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Dave, any inside word on what those engine issues you referred to are? I may as well list the steps to my project so far:

New trunk
Trunk lock
Rear wheel bearing
Fuel pump(s)/filter
Oil/filter
Window button/regulator
Fender repair (structural)
Plugs (Bosch)
Caps/rotors/wires
Lights/fuses
Upper engine harness
EZL (500e)
...Replaced chrome trim with black.

The car drives and handles fine, in the utilitarian sense, but still has a rough idle and takes far longer to get to 60mph then it should. Basically flooring it, it revvs late (even for the pedal travel) and the revvs can get up to (*gulp*) 5000 rpm and the car just calmly and condescendingly says: "That's nice... but I'm going to take my sweet time here Michael".

Before I start pulling headlights and getting to ignition coils, any advice from the council?

BTW, the car is for sale if someone wants to make an offer...
If I get it up to par before someone buys it, it likely may not be for sale anymore!

Aran.

On my multi-million dollar albatross (chronicled in here somewhere, bought for a decent price, but a list of overdue maintenance that far exceeded Gerry's rule of thumb), I noted it had no "foot." Jono (my savior) noted it also, even after a complete tune-up. After hunting awhile, he hooked up a back-pressure gauge to the exhaust and saw, to his wonder, a backpressure at idle that he'd expect at a much higher throttle.

Check the cats, they may be plugged, or the remainder of the exhaust for other blockages.
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Ah that's one fine bird! When I first hit the road with it, it was ok. When the issues first cropped up, from time to time I would floor it and once, a giant puff of black smoke came out, like a squid or rather like a diesel. My first thought was plugged cats. First thing I did when I got home was yanked the aftermarket muffler and pipe and inspected the cats with a flashlight. They are hollow as sleepy. Same issues without that muffler on as well...

Update:
Fuel pump relay swapped
Plugs are fine, not swimming in oil.
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Just for the fun of it I'd like to swap in a MAF. (If I pull the vacuum line off the EZL things get even more wonky) Please excuse me if this has been covered, I'm reading it's a simple job but I don't see a write up on changing it. I assume I have to remove these two screws that hold those metal bands on. I managed to reach the top one with a long screwdriver, but the bottom one eludes me. Longer screwdriver? Once I have both bands loose and unplug the connector, is there anything else to deal with? Looks like it rotates off? I just realized I'm posting this all in the "For Sale" section...

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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Got it off with some elbow grease. (via the method at 6:47 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-KdNzJfUOU ).
The other MAF from the same year 500e was a different part number! This car did not like it at all, it would not start with the new MAF. Off to find one with the same part number.
 
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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

MAF should be the same for all years of 500E. Was the spare/donor MAF from a running car? The car should start and run even if the MAF is disconnected.

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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

I thought so, the swapped MAF was from my other 500, the silver one with the lower harness currently sitting uninstalled. That car never had acceleration or idle problems but I have not tested it (MAF), other then attempting the swap. When I put in the "new" MAF the engine just cranks and won't fire up. I used MAF cleaner on the original, let it sit for 30 min, then drove it and it picks up a bit quicker now. It idles pretty much the same with or without the original 'good' MAF in place, perhaps slightly worse without and I did not try driving it unplugged.

I tried pulling the spark plug wires one by one, to see if it had any effect on the idle. I'm not sure why I didn't try this first:

On the drivers side, the first and last plug, when pulled - there is no change in the engine running.
On the passenger's side, the two center plugs have no change to the engine when pulled.

Looks like I'm running on 1/2 an engine. Does this mean the EZL I swapped in could possibly be bad as well? Again, no problems with it when on my other car. The plugs/rotors/caps and wires are all new as well and not dirty.

Any idea on what to check next?
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Car starts and runs in it's current condition with the wire unplugged to the ignition cap that is closest to the fender.
Houston, I am assuming this is a problem.
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

One of your distributors is not firing the plugs. Could be EZL, coil, or cap/rotor/insulator. You'll need to do some additional testing to determine which component(s) are at fault.

The car will run (and drive!) on 4 cylinders but it will be very rough and low on power.

:shocking:
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

I'm looking at a thread on the ignition coil replacement - the two screws attaching the wires to the coil - are they the only screws to contend with before removing the coil?
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

And here I am on 4 cylinders thinking... it's not so bad... it's not so bad
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

I'm looking at a thread on the ignition coil replacement - the two screws attaching the wires to the coil - are they the only screws to contend with before removing the coil?
Correct, only 2 wires at each coil. You can measure the resistance of the coils, if one is very different than the other, it may be a defective coil. Easier to remove the driver headlight to access them, btw.


And here I am on 4 cylinders thinking... it's not so bad... it's not so bad
LOL. If you thought it was tolerable on 4 cylinders, you'll really like all 8.

:v8:
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

It's either a bunk coil or half your EZL is dead. Running on 4 cylinders makes your car sound like a flat-four Subaru.
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Oh boy was that ever fun! So first things first: Those two wires on the coil, I thought they may have been holding the coil in place as well as the wires - what can I say, I'm a positive thinker. Wrong! The screws holding the coil in screw upwards, bolting the coil to... what ever it's bolted to.

The screw that is closest to the engine bay - I had to feel around and guess the size, it ended up being 10mm, I got it off with the appropriate wrench. The next one (close to the fender), wow I thought trying to get that little MAF screw loose was fun - this was a riot. I managed to loosen it with the wrench and then with both palms turned completely forwards for 10-15 min, I was able to get the screw off (and the nut on top) with my middle finger (which was dying to express itself the entire time).

So this was taking the coil off the 'good' car. I wired it up to the bad car aaaaannnnnddd: nothing. I could have sworn it idled better (closer to 10) for a few seconds and then... nada, back to ol' drawing board.

Oh but a fun surprise, now the car will not reverse at all! Not sure that these issues could be related, but I had driven and reversed it into position just fine for this operation, but when I tried to back it out with the new coil wired up, it felt like the brakes were engaging or I had run over something! It bucked and stopped with a whiff of white smoke. It will not budge in reverse at all now, not even with the rear wheels jacked up.

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
 
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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Funny, it sounds more like a lawn tractor to me.

And BTW no lights were removed in the making of this episode.

Gerry I've tried two coils and two EZL's (and plug wires) so far. Could it be a wire from the EZL itself perhaps?

Also, I feel like I'm at the doctor's office reading the 'Only one issue per visit' sign. I figure this is all about this one car, but let me know if I should be posting in separate sections.

Edit: I've been doing a little homework here (including Gerry's write up on transmission removal). I suspect my 'B3 bands' may have played their final song. Perfect timing. The good news is there are plenty of used w124 400e/e420 transmissions around these parts for $200-$300. The bad news is, at what price point they can be swapped for? We shall see. But yay for first gear start! But I digress...

Back to the half engine thing, with trying two EZL's and coils, is there something else I could be overlooking? Should I just find yet another EZL and coil and try again? BTW, when unplugging the wire from the coil and holding it close to the coil, there is still spark between the two.
 
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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Gentlemen! As a young lad, I had a passion for archaeology as well as Hot Wheels. Today I had the privilege of combining these in unique fashion. As I swapped parts yet again, it dawned on me that my changing of the caps/rotors/plugs/wires had well, skipped over the 'rotor' part. (ahem).

As I delved into discovery with my trowel and brush, I unearthed this little gem:
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Mind you it looked slightly better than this, until I breathed on it the wrong way.
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As I swooped in ready to exchange the offending part with new (seen right), I quickly realized via (highly reliable) carbon dating, that the old rotor was 20 000 00 years old. Also it was of a different type and angle of fitment (what gives? I thought a 500e M119 was a 500e M119??)
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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Yikes. Well, the good news is you found the problem! :shocking:

The rotor and bracket should be the same for all M119.96x/.97x engines. What isn't working or fitting correctly?

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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

FIX IT WITH MIGHTY PUTTY!!! :buggin:

On a more serious note, replace those inslulators bowls behind the rotor brackets, or you will likely be re-doing all of that sooner than later. The MB number is
119 158 01 88.
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Oh... my... the power... THE POWER!!

My silver one has been out of commission for so long... I've forgotten. Everything else is blasphemous. Remember that time I almost pulled the trigger on that beat up 996. Or how in my weaker moments of mechanical despair I pass by those Subarus with the giant spoilers and wonder if the owners know something I do not.

The perfect interior, the line of sight, the feel, the safety, the handling, the substance, the power, the ability to push the needle to the limit and feel like it's just warming up... it's all... coming back.

Yes, it was just the rotor. Silly me. The rotor bracket confused me (apparently easy to do). The bracket is set up on a different angle in my other car and I thought the rotor itself was slightly different, but it's just a burnt up mass now at this point. I did replace that cracked plastic bowl as well, figured it looked important.

Also the transmission reverse came back. It's a little smokey (white) in reverse and the car slammed to a halt like I'm hitting the brakes, then smoothed out. I did not reverse far nor attempt it again. I am going to order a transmission filter and gasket and change the fluid before I try reverse again, hopefully that helps. Any transmission advice will be welcome. Would like to say thanks again as well, this forum is great.

Now, since this is the FOR SALE section, one more thing I ask, please help me out. I no longer want to sell this car, but now I have two 500's! My logic is: this is the best car in the world and I will never sell it. However my pocketbook says, the 1987 300d I drive daily costs half the gas and 1/3rd less on insurance. Do I keep the 300d and use the silver 500 on the weekends/summer or do I keep and daily drive the black one and use the silver 500 on the weekends/summer? One has to go. :hammerhead:
 
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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Now, since this is the FOR SALE section, one more thing I ask, please help me out. I no longer want to sell this car, but now I have two 500's! My logic is: this is the best car in the world and I will never sell it. However my pocketbook says, the 1987 300d I drive daily costs half the gas and 1/3rd less on insurance. Do I keep the 300d and use the silver 500 on the weekends/summer or do I keep and daily drive the black one and use the silver 500 on the weekends/summer? One has to go. :hammerhead:
I'm sure you know this, but the fuel savings is primarily if you put on a LOT of miles... like, 25kmi per year or more. Otherwise, the savings is surprisingly small. You gotta do the math for the total miles per year, estimated cost of fuel per gallon, and estimated average MPG for each car.

With diesel fuel around $3/gal here and premium gas around $3.20, my diesel getting 27mpg average and the E420 getting 22mpg average, there is almost ZERO benefit to the diesel. Based on those numbers, the diesel is ~$300/year savings for 10kmi. I'd rather have 290hp on tap and pay the extra twenty bucks per month. Daily driving a 500E should return around 18mpg or so and would cost a bit more. Of course if your miles per year are higher and/or the MPG numbers are way different, it could still be worth it to drive the 300D. But think of the heated Sport seats... 500E suspension... and don't forget about the POWER!

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Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

Thanks for reminding us all what cool shit we've got! I always say that one of the salient features of a great car is that one can drive it a considerable distance without ever wishing he was driving a different car. That's true of pretty much all 124s, and extra double secret true of the 124.036.

Do not put it in reverse again until a competent MB tranny guy has checked it out. Note that is "tranny" as in transmission, not necessarily transsexual. I guess one has to differentiate these days.

What has probably happened is that the reverse brake friction material has disintegrated and shed from the plates. This allows the reverse brake piston to extend too far out of the transmission front cover where it then contacts the forward clutch drum. If you are lucky, the transmission simply locks, as yours appears to have done. If you are unlucky and/or try reverse a few more times, give it more gas when it stops moving, etc., then the reverse brake piston locks tightly to the forward clutch drum, which then turns the normally rotationally stationary reverse brake piston and tears a bunch of stuff up. Bad transmission juju that you want to avoid. If you have to back it up, simply put it in neutral and push it. Do not engage reverse until someone that knows these transmissions has checked it out. And on that subject, if he tells you it's just fine even though you have experienced a locking event, he's probably wrong...
:klink:
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

different angle of fittment? It is keyed.
 
Re: FS: 1992 500E, Black/Black, 266kkm, $6000 CDN (Calgary, Canada)

The mounting was a sideways happy face in my silver one and a regular smiley face in my black one :) Because of the condition of the scorched rotor, the two looked different at initial glance and the old one had a small metal square in the center circle.

I drove my first 500e daily for just over a year. It cost me about $110 CAD to fill it up at the time (my 300d at $70 per tank).
I remember filling it once more per month than the diesel. First thing I remember when getting the diesel was being so relived, driving across town and back and not even seeing the fuel tank needle moving! That 300d is a very nice car in it's own right. Thanks Dave, I will take the time to process the math again and then probably ask myself why I'm even doing so when I'm driving the 500!

Klink that's very informative and gives me a great base to investigate my transmission situation. I will try to expand my knowledge based on what you have mentioned. I'm keen on doing all the work I can myself, but I assume this will require dropping the transmission for investigation/repair? If I strip that tranny, not sure what I'll find :?.
 
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Klink that's very informative and gives me a great base to investigate my transmission situation. I will try to expand my knowledge based on what you have mentioned. I'm keen on doing all the work I can myself, but I assume this will require dropping the transmission for investigation/repair? If I strip that tranny, not sure what I'll find :?.

I'm glad to hear you want to take matters into your own hands. You will have to take it out of the car to give it the proper Crocodile Dundee test, but staying out of reverse until then may spare you playing the Crying Game...
:klink:
 

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