Scam during a sale in Norway, 1992 500E

[500AMM]

This happened in end of April and in the story on FB, posted by the sellers daughter, she tells the new owner interrupted the transaction just after the car was registered in his name. Rumours says the new owner may have left the country with the car and driven down south somewhere in Europe. The police has his full name so he will likely be hunted down at some point, however meantime people around keep your eyes open, please.

VIN: WDB1240361B818297
Norwegian reg.number is: BE 33060

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[gsxr]

Arnt, the Facebook post is in a private group... non-members cannot view it. Can you copy/paste the story? EDIT - see post #10 below.

Bornite over black! Why did the seller not confirm 100% of funds were in his account before releasing the car? The scammer can't reverse payment, right?

 

[daantjie]

There's been cases of forged cashier's cheques for example. So all looks above board and seller releases the goods. Then in a few days the bank tells you you're shit outta luck as the cheque is fake and when last have you heard of a bank eating a loss...

 

[doolar]

Unfortunately it is easier than one could think to be fooled. These guys are really good at being con men.

This scam is quite common in Sweden too. People are gullible and easily duped when it comes to money.

 

[gsxr]

I'd like to know more about how the scammers pull this off, so savvy sellers won't get snookered.

Personally, if someone paid with cashier's cheque, they don't get anything (no car, no title, no keys) until my bank has cleared the check and funds are confirmed in my account. Probably 3-5 business days, maybe longer. Buyer can't wait that long? No deal.

Wire transfer is the safest for sellers, correct? No way for a scammer to reverse that, right?

 

[R129 UK]

Arnt, the Facebook post is in a private group... non-members cannot view it. Can you copy/paste the story?

The group is showing as public to me:






FB translation from Norwegian.

 

[036]

Wire transfer is the safest for sellers, correct? No way for a scammer to reverse that, right?

I´m not so sure about this one....

 

[gsxr]

I´m not so sure about this one....

Anyone ever heard of a bank wire getting reversed? If so, any details about how many days this occurred after the funds were deposited in the seller's account?

 

[2phast]

The group is showing as public to me:

It's not a public group, you have to be a member to view or post. Most likely your already a member of the group

 

[gsxr]

Think I figured it out - the original link was to the group home page, not directly to the post. I didn't realize this at first.

This link may work:

Mercedes-Benz W124 500E/E500 Norge/Norway🇳🇴 | Bilen til pappa (Mercedes 500E, med regnr | Facebook

Bilen til pappa (Mercedes 500E, med regnr. BE33060) ble borte under salg søndag kveld. Ble kjørt fra Fagerstrand i 19tiden (28/4). Mulig observert ved parkering på Gardermoen søndag kveld, og i...

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Dad's car (Mercedes 500E, with registration number BE33060) was lost during the sale on Sunday evening. Was driven from Fagerstrand at 7pm (28/4). Possibly observed when parking at Gardermoen on Sunday evening, and in the center of Lillestrøm at 15:00 Monday 29/4. New tip about possible sightings in Lillestrøm on Tuesday 30/4 around 17:30, direction Oslo!​

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The police were notified when the seller never received payment (NOK 370,000) for the car, even though everything seemed to "be normal", and the buyer has not returned with the car either, even though it is written in messages from the buyer that the car should be returned due to he suddenly had to raise the purchase. It is also confirmed in messages from the buyer that he has stopped the payment!​

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The buyer must be explained over the phone that the car was driven to Germany on the night of Monday, but it has not been confirmed that this is true. If anyone has observed the car in the evening/night until Monday or in the following days, please contact the police!​

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A similar procedure was used in a previous case of car disappearance/fraud (ref. BMW M4 with Malboro decor). The police have so far done little in the case, even though they have received a lot of relevant information! Have received several tips that the car may be in Germany or down in Europe already. Have been in contact with the German police as well, but they do nothing until they are notified of the case by the Norwegian police!​

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Customs, road authorities, banks, insurance, lawyers and border crossings by boat have been notified, but neither do anything until they receive the go-ahead from the police. We have photos that indicate that we know who the perpetrators are behind the fraud/fraud, but will not move forward until the police deal with the case! By then it may be too late, so we never see the car..or the money again.​

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Feel free to share!And feel free to take pictures when observing! Those who have the car may have changed the plates on it, but there are many other details by which the car can be recognized. There is another 500 in the area with the same colour, but different registration number: BU38966, but it also has different details than the car that has been stolen.​

 

[nocfn]

wire between two parties should be deemed G O N E when the sender authorizes it to be sent. It can be a shell account receiving that is legitimate and then from there it can go anywhere the owner wants it to. Wire fraud is pretty common on real estate transactions as common sense is placed on a shelf as the deal is close to funding and fraudsters take over and dupe the SH(*)(& out of distracted people.

 

[Eno]

Bank wire transfer shall be confirmed after the money has reached the sellers bank account details.
Maybe there was a “on purpose” wire transfer spelling mistakes from the buyer on the account details of the seller?

 

[Draginev]

Anyone ever heard of a bank wire getting reversed? If so, any details about how many days this occurred after the funds were deposited in the seller's account?

Yes, the wire transfer can be reversed depends on the buyers bank and the sellers bank. Some banks doesn't accept transfer from another banks/countries because of money laundering scheme.

 

[R129 UK]

It's not a public group, you have to be a member to view or post. Most likely your already a member of the group

I am not a member - I simply clicked the link in the OP:

 

[Draginev]

The problem is that we don't know the full story. And why police are not doing something about it.

The reason is this, which is very normal incidents in Scandinavia.

1. Seller might hide it, burn the property, report it stolen and it gets compensation by the state insurance with no repercussion.
2. Theft has become so common, police cannot keep track on everything at once.

The best one can do is to take picture of the buyer and the buyers ID during the trade by getting their permission. This is the only way to safeguard themselves.

 

[500AMM]

Thanks for fixing the FB link! I am a newbie on FB with no knowledge on how things work with groups, access etc..

I have no further details about the transaction and why or how it was interrupted. The scammer has given his full name so he's pretty naive if he really think he can get away with this. When the police report him wanted internationally, he can't move anywhere without being tracked by cameras everywhere and his phone of course. The seller can just cross fingers and hope the car survive and returns to him in one piece - or he get the payment.

 

[195910]

The problem is that we don't know the full story. And why police are not doing something about it.

The reason is this, which is very normal incidents in Scandinavia.

1. Seller might hide it, burn the property, report it stolen and it gets compensation by the state insurance with no repercussion.
2. Theft has become so common, police cannot keep track on everything at once.

The best one can do is to take picture of the buyer and the buyers ID during the trade by getting their permission. This is the only way to safeguard themselves.

@Dragninev

Interesting points. hard to believe someone is that Naive, handing over the car with registration documents without receive confirmed payment.

 

[Draginev]

@Dragninev

Interesting points. hard to believe someone is that Naive, handing over the car with registration documents without receive confirmed payment.

Normally it takes 2-3 business days to see the transfer has been done. But the conditions depends on which banks, the amount of the capital, the origin of the country and so on. This is why often that most use 3rd party services, such as auction sites, garage seller to avoid this situation.

If both party has same bank, the transfer is immediately as experienced.

 

[195910]

Normally it takes 2-3 business days to see the transfer has been done. But the conditions depends on which banks, the amount of the capital, the origin of the country and so on. This is why often that most use 3rd party services, such as auction sites, garage seller to avoid this situation.

If both party has same bank, the transfer is immediately as experienced.

Even if it takes 2-3 days, why would someone hand-over everything without confirmed payment?! Your suggestion is a possibility in this case