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Vacum trouble E500 W124

larskristian351

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Hi! I have some trouble with the vacumsystem, some times the headreast in backseat dont fell down when i push the button, but the lockingsystem always function. The transmission change gear hard when the rpm is low, so i think maybe this have a connection?

Can somebody give me an instruction and tip to troubleshooting this?
 
Is the car at normal temp when the transmission issue presents?

The headrest may be more electrical (bad switch) or more likely the track gears are broken. The forum shows this common break down of 30 plastics. Search for it.

~~ reread the post and missed the "backseat" I am not worthy...
 
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Different parts of the vacuum system are isolated, so even if there is a leak in one part, not all vacuum-dependent systems will be affected.

The rear headrests going down (particularly intermittently) are enabled by an electrical switch connected to and associated with the rear windshield sun shade being retracted all the way down in its recess. Often the sun shade doesn't go quite down far enough to activate the switch, so you have to press it down in its slot with your fingers. This activates the switch and then the rear head rests will fall "down" into the rear deck below the window when you press the dashboard-mounted headrest switch.

There is an electro-vacuum valve below the rear deck that controls the vacuum to the rear head rests, but it is very very very rare for this vacuum valve to go bad.

As for the transmission shifting harshly and a possible vacuum issue -- that is definitely a possibility, though there are a couple of vacuum connections to the transmission.

The most common issue may be the vacuum line going from the intake manifold down the back of the engine to the modulator on the side of the transmission on the driver's side. You can remove this line and take a look at it to ensure that it isn't melted or otherwise broken / punctured.

Often these old vacuum lines grow old and brittle with age and heat, so it is a good idea to replace them anyway.

You can get at the end of this transmission modulator vacuum line from underneath the car (search the forum for threads on this) and the top end of it is attached to the back of the intake manifold.
 
Keep in mind that the rear headrests won't drop unless the engine is running. Central locking is totally separate, as Gerry noted above.

The hard shifts may be related to the vacuum pipe that connects from the rear of the intake manifold, to the transmission vacuum modulator. Make sure the vacuum line and fitting are all in good condition and not leaking. Search the forum for details.

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Curious Dave and Gerry, if the sunshade is removed in the car by some PO along the way, is it possible that the switch referenced is not available to be activated and accordingly, the headrests will not function by the dash switch?
 
Curious Dave and Gerry, if the sunshade is removed in the car by some PO along the way, is it possible that the switch referenced is not available to be activated and accordingly, the headrests will not function by the dash switch?
Yep. It's a press-switch setup. So either you'd have to wire the switch so that it is always activated (electrically); or leave the sun-shade down and embedded in its channel (thus activating the switch all the time); or somehow physically activate the switch if you wanted to physically remove the sun-shade.

IMHO it's probably easiest just to leave the sun-shade in place. Some folks think it is worthless; I actually keep the sun-shades up and deployed on my E500 and my 560SEC. Particularly when parking the car outside -- every little bit of minimizing or diffusing hot sun helps preserve the interiors of the cars. That said, my E500 spends most of its time in the garage.

Though I did run it on Sunday afternoon for a bit, and will probably run it again today when I go to a dentist appointment.
 
My sunshade was removed by po. I have no clue if the "switch" in question exists under the hat-tray..... or head liner or where. I never had a car that didn't remove the unit in question prior to me owning it.
 
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Keep in mind that the rear headrests wont drop unless the engine is running. Central locking is totally separate, as Gerry noted above.
94 S420.How do I bring the head rest back up.I went down with the switch but I cant get it to come back up
 
94 S420.How do I bring the head rest back up.I went down with the switch but I cant get it to come back up
S420 is different. I think the S-class has a 2-way switch that will both lower and raise the rear headrests. Check if the switch has another position...
 
will not come up since it went down.The switch is in front of the arm rest.I jacked up both arm rest and hit the switch , still nothing.Not a biggie for me
 

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