SOLD W210 E50 AMG / Brabus 6.5, 162tkm, Silver/Black (Kokkola, Finland)

[jnes]

Find out this car for auction in Finland. (Only Finnish )Car is already sold. Just wanted to share with you.

Mercedes-Benz E, 1997, Kokkola | Huutokaupat.com

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According to the text it has some engine issue with that Brabus engine. Coolant leakage to cylinders. Right bank is already fixed.
M119 E50 engine comes with the car.

There is also told that it could be easily fixed by using some sleeves to the cylinder walls..

I think the selling price is quite cheap if that is proper Brabus 6.5 engine.. Of course this is quite gambling how much would be repair costs..

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RARE DELICIOUS AVAILABLE​

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AMG 50 WITH 6.5 liter engine made by Brabus.​

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Just cleared from the previous owner.​

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In the engine, fluid goes into the left block, you need to make small grooves in the cylinder tubes and toppers for them, the other side is done. So it's not a big deal to get it running.​

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The engine was drilled to an oversized size and new pistons etc. were installed.​

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Comes with the original E50 amg engine (complete)​

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Call and come see.​

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Defects detected​

The vehicle has undergone a short test drive, during which we observed:​

• The engine has a liquid leak into the cylinder, READ HERE. , including the original E50 AMG engine.

No technical inspection has been done, only a short test drive. Welcome to visit the destination.​

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[gsxr]

WOW. Someone stole that. It's worth at least that much for parts, assuming the 6.4L engine is legit and "only" has the fluid leakage issues. The original E50 motor is a bonus.

The 6.4L engine is already bored to 101mm diameter, if the block is damaged, it should be replaced with another closed-deck block bored to 101mm. You cannot "sleeve" or otherwise replace the cylinders on closed-deck blocks, there are no liners - that is only an option for open-deck blocks, but open-deck is not used over 5.0L displacement.

Bummer you didn't find this before the auction ended, @jnes!

 

[WDB748372]

Found the VIN for it. WDB2100721A323284

Came up in some forum that mentioned Brabus as well.

Datacard: Mercedes VIN Decoder | Decode Your Mercedes-Benz VIN

 

[195910]

I would be careful, have a look at the discolored plate it states "6.5 - 48" !! That's clearly wrong and the cam cover paint is peeling although its powder coated.

Is there any documentation included with the car?

 

[gsxr]

I would be careful, have a look at the discolored plate it states "6.5 - 48" !! That's clearly wrong and the cam cover paint is peeling although its powder coated.

Great catch! Hmmm.... error by Brabus, or stock 5.0L engine?

Is there any documentation included with the car?

I bet there are zero documents with it... won't know unless the new owner finds this forum.

 

[195910]

I would be careful, have a look at the discolored plate it states "6.5 - 48" !! That's clearly wrong and the cam cover paint is peeling although its powder coated.

Is there any documentation included with the car?

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@gsxr ,has my post been edited?

Anyway, yes that's the wrong number.

 

[gsxr]

@gsxr ,has my post been edited?

Anyway, yes that's the wrong number.

Yep, added the photo for clarity.

 

[jnes]

Great, that the car showed some kind of interest/discussion..

So, measuring the stroke like in this case would be highly recommend..
Are there any more clear signs which can indicate if this would be the real thing (like camshafts, heads, block stamps etc?) unless you don't have the original documentation available from Brabus?

Can Brabus verify that engine modification/tuning or do they have that kind of service/history/backlog from the cars modified by them?

 

[gsxr]

So, measuring the stroke like in this case would be highly recommend..

Measuring stroke would be the best method, the 6.4L has 100mm stroke which is unique to that motor.

Are there any more clear signs which can indicate if this would be the real thing (like camshafts, heads, block stamps etc?) unless you don't have the original documentation available from Brabus?

Block stamps would help, I don't know what Brabus did to mark their engines, but I assume there would be SOME identification.

Can Brabus verify that engine modification/tuning or do they have that kind of service/history/backlog from the cars modified by them?

No idea if Brabus maintains good records and/or would be willing & able to help verify authenticity. Maybe other forum members would be able to answer this question.

 

[195910]

Measuring stroke would be the best method, the 6.4L has 100mm stroke which is unique to that motor.




Block stamps would help, I don't know what Brabus did to mark their engines, but I assume there would be SOME identification.




No idea if Brabus maintains good records and/or would be willing & able to help verify authenticity. Maybe other forum members would be able to answer this question.

Difficult, the comprehensive records are said to have been lost during a fire in 2006. From my experience they can only verify cars that were:

1 - converted at the HQ in Bottrop.
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2- Full conversion (i.e Powertrain)
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3 - Known to the older staff there

 

[jnes]

I made some queries to my contacts and seems that this car has been previously advertised as 15 k€ with engine failure. One friend mentioned that this car might be same which has issues with pistons and crankshaft and have had several owners due the engine. (Engine won't turn) Pervious repairs have stopped due the availability (cost) of crank.


So I'm assuming that it will need complete engine rebuild and that will cost a lot.

I wonder what would be the market price for those if this would be running condition

 

[gsxr]

I made some queries to my contacts and seems that this car has been previously advertised as 15 k€ with engine failure. One friend mentioned that this car might be same which has issues with pistons and crankshaft and have had several owners due the engine. (Engine won't turn) Pervious repairs have stopped due the availability (cost) of crank. So I'm assuming that it will need complete engine rebuild and that will cost a lot.

Ohhhhh. That's different. The crankshaft is allegedly one of 13 total produced. It would cost quite a bit to have it duplicated.... ditto for pistons, and possibly a block replacement. At that point, the only good items might be the camshafts (if original Brabus) and the ECU tuned for 6.4L displacement.

 

[jnes]

I ordered owners/MOT history of this car and it shows that the latest passed MOT is 2009. After that car has not been registered to use in traffic.

So to me it looks like it has a bit more than that cooling leakage to cylinders..

 

[Oskichohfi]

Hello everyone,

Could someone help me? I know it's not the right place to ask this question, but I don't know who else to turn to.

I have a W210 STATION WAGON BRABUS 6.5. I have a problem with the ecu. It presents the error 0605.

I need the flash file for ecu 0215452332. Could someone provide it to me? Or if I send the flash file, would it be possible to see what's wrong?

Thank you for your attention.

 

[gsxr]

I have a W210 STATION WAGON BRABUS 6.5. I have a problem with the ecu. It presents the error 0605.

Where are you seeing this error? Is it a fault code from HHT-Win?

I need the flash file for ecu 0215452332. Could someone provide it to me? Or if I send the flash file, would it be possible to see what's wrong?

You need a flash file specific to the 6.4L engine, and I don't think anyone will be able to provide that besides Brabus. I've also never seen flash files available for any ME 1.0 ECU's, nor any way to reflash them. If this is possible, I'd love to know more about how to do it.

 

[Oskichohfi]

Where are you seeing this error? Is it a fault code from HHT-Win?

You need a flash file specific to the 6.4L engine, and I don't think anyone will be able to provide that besides Brabus. I've also never seen flash files available for any ME 1.0 ECU's, nor any way to reflash them. If this is possible, I'd love to know more about how to do it.

Yes. hht-win

I sent an email to Brabus asking if they could send me the flash to put it in the ECU. I haven't had an answer yet.

Would any other file of an m119 work?

 

[gsxr]

Yes. hht-win

Code P0605 is "Engine control module (ME-SFI) (N3/10)"... uh-oh. Hope you don't need to replace it. If the module is defective, you may need to buy a new, unlocked module and send to Brabus. Or buy one from Brabus.

I sent an email to Brabus asking if they could send me the flash to put it in the ECU. I haven't had an answer yet.

I'm curious what their response is. I'd be surprised if they will send you the flash file. More likely they'll want you to send the ECU to them for flashing.

Would any other file of an m119 work?

No. The AMG E60 file is for 6.0L displacement, not 6.4L. Brabus is the only tuner I'm aware of that produced the 6.4L engine.

And, as mentioned earlier, if you obtained the software / flash file... I don't know how you'd upload it to the ECU. I don't think this can be done via OBD-2 port like on the later ME 2.x systems. I'm really not sure how the ME 1.0 ECU's are reflashed / reprogrammed. The Mercedes/AMG modules come pre-programmed when you buy them from the dealer, but that's for stock displacements (4.2 / 5.0 / 6.0) only.

 

[Oskichohfi]

Code P0605 is "Engine control module (ME-SFI) (N3/10)"... uh-oh. Hope you don't need to replace it. If the module is defective, you may need to buy a new, unlocked module and send to Brabus. Or buy one from Brabus.

I'm curious what their response is. I'd be surprised if they will send you the flash file. More likely they'll want you to send the ECU to them for flashing.

No. The AMG E60 file is for 6.0L displacement, not 6.4L. Brabus is the only tuner I'm aware of that produced the 6.4L engine.

And, as mentioned earlier, if you obtained the software / flash file... I don't know how you'd upload it to the ECU. I don't think this can be done via OBD-2 port like on the later ME 2.x systems. I'm really not sure how the ME 1.0 ECU's are reflashed / reprogrammed. The Mercedes/AMG modules come pre-programmed when you buy them from the dealer, but that's for stock displacements (4.2 / 5.0 / 6.0) only.

To flash in the ecu you need to remove IC 27c4002.

I recorded the same file in another CI. And I put it in another ecu thinking it could be a problem with him.

But the same error appears after a while.

I also don't believe they send me the file. But it doesn't hurt to try. It would be cheaper and faster.

Can I get the E60 flash?

 

[gsxr]

Can I get the E60 flash?

Good question. I don't know how you would get this, without buying an ECU from a 6.0L car and copying the file... if you know how to do that.

Wish I knew how to do this stuff. I had a W210 RENNtech 6.0L and wanted to copy the program somehow, so I could clone it to another ECU, but I couldn't figure out how to do it. I contacted a vendor in USA but they said it would require de-soldering an IC to allow reading the program, then re-soldering it back... there was risk of damaging the source module. I didn't want to take the gamble as I had no way to replace the module if they bricked it.

 

[Oskichohfi]

Good question. I don't know how you would get this, without buying an ECU from a 6.0L car and copying the file... if you know how to do that.

Wish I knew how to do this stuff. I had a W210 RENNtech 6.0L and wanted to copy the program somehow, so I could clone it to another ECU, but I couldn't figure out how to do it. I contacted a vendor in USA but they said it would require de-soldering an IC to allow reading the program, then re-soldering it back... there was risk of damaging the source module. I didn't want to take the gamble as I had no way to replace the module if they bricked it.

The process is very simple, you just need to have the ability to weld and desolder. It's not very difficult.

Then you use an IC programmer. I use the 4x4 gq. Easy to use.

I'll look for an E60 file. It's going to be difficult but maybe I'll be lucky
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[gsxr]

The process is very simple, you just need to have the ability to weld and desolder. It's not very difficult.

Then you use an IC programmer. I use the 4x4 gq. Easy to use.

I'll look for an E60 file. It's going to be difficult but maybe I'll be lucky
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I know how to access the files on the old LH module, which have a socketed EPROM... but don't know which chip to desolder on the ME 1.0 circuit board.

Somewhat complicating things is these ECU's have coding that is set up when a new ECU is installed in a car, via HHT-Win. I'm not sure how that affects the copy process, if at all.

Note that the EPC specifies a different ECU part number for the E50/E60 (code 957). The E60 has no information in the EPC and may be yet a different ECU number and different coding, vs E50. EPC data shown below for E50:

 

[Oskichohfi]

I know how to access the files on the old LH module, which have a socketed EPROM... but don't know which chip to desolder on the ME 1.0 circuit board.

Somewhat complicating things is these ECU's have coding that is set up when a new ECU is installed in a car, via HHT-Win. I'm not sure how that affects the copy process, if at all.

Note that the EPC specifies a different ECU part number for the E50/E60 (code 957). The E60 has no information in the EPC and may be yet a different ECU number and different coding, vs E50. EPC data shown below for E50:

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You need to take out IC27c4002. The one with the flash. The hc11e9 is recorded the immo and variant coding.

I got the E50 flash. ECU 0225459532

I'll record it and see if it works.

I don't have the car now. Maybe get it next week.

I'll let you know if it works.

Thank you very much

Thank you very much

 

[doolar]

Brabus have a terrible track record of not providing parts or information about their builds. Hopefully they’re better now than last time I tried to get information. I would think very carefully about that before going into a Brabus powered car.

 

[Oskichohfi]

Look at the answer I received from Brabus.

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"Dear Sir or Madam​

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thank you for your enquiry, it is not possible to release development data, due to the age of this vehicle we also do not offer any further spare parts. Unfortunately, we are unable to help you further.​

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Yours sincerely"​

 

[gsxr]

That is an unacceptable response. Very disappointed. They should still have the knowledge & technology to supply a replacement ECU (likely at insane cost) but just saying "we are unable to help" is pathetic.

 

[bb1]

If someone would still have today the correct Flash or can help, im sure it’s Bernard.

 

[Oskichohfi]

If someone would still have today the correct Flash or can help, im sure it’s Bernard.


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Thank you very much.
I'll contact him.

 

[DWB]

Look at the answer I received from Brabus.

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"Dear Sir or Madam​

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thank you for your enquiry, it is not possible to release development data, due to the age of this vehicle we also do not offer any further spare parts. Unfortunately, we are unable to help you further.​

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Yours sincerely"​

I've recently been working with a customer recommissioning a 1994 Brabus G-Wagen, and received the exact same response from Brabus Classic despite me providing images of the Brabus plaques and technical decals etc...

 

[Oskichohfi]

If someone would still have today the correct Flash or can help, im sure it’s Bernard.


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Hello, I tried to contact him but I didn't get an answer.

I got the AMG 50/60 file.

The car worked well. (much better than the original brabus ecu)

Now I'm looking for loose vacuums and some ignition problem, such as spark plugs, cables and coil)

I will also replace the fuel pump, in the pressure reading it has 3 bar. I believe it has to be 3.8 bars.

I'm still looking for the original Brabus file but it's very difficult.

If anyone knows anything, I'll be very grateful.

 

[gsxr]

Fantastic! Did you get both E50 and E60 flash files? They should be different.

Interesting the AMG 6.0L program works better than the Brabus 6.4L program. I wonder if something else wasn't quite right with the original ECU / program.

 

[gsxr]

I will also replace the fuel pump, in the pressure reading it has 3 bar. I believe it has to be 3.8 bars.

Fuel pressure specs below, from this document.

You are correct, it should read at least 3.7 bar (54 psi) with the FPR vacuum hose disconnected.