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When I step on the gas pedal it only goes 35 mph, has no power.

mbzgurl

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I started my car and the gas pedal felt spongy. It acted like a clogged fuel line has no power. I don't think it's a clogged fuel line. Fuel filters are fairly new, and it has plenty of gas. Drove it to the store and back and just as I was turning home, it completely lost all power. I thought about it and I recall hearing a sound after I start the car, it sounds kinda like a fuel pump ticking. Any suggestions? I haven't tried restarting it since I parked it.
 
Could be a bad fuel pump relay under the back seat. A bad FPR causes the LH fuel injection computer to make a ticking noise.

There is A LOT of info about this condition on the forum.
 
I started my car and the gas pedal felt spongy. It acted like a clogged fuel line has no power. I don't think it's a clogged fuel line.
What you describe sounds like "limp mode", where you have to press the gas pedal halfway down before the engine revs up or applies power... it also raises shift points. Is the ASR warning lamp on in the cluster? What happens when you blip the throttle while in Park, does it rev normally, or does it still require more pedal travel than normal?


I thought about it and I recall hearing a sound after I start the car, it sounds kinda like a fuel pump ticking. Any suggestions? I haven't tried restarting it since I parked it.
Remove the passenger rear seat cushion to reveal the fuel pump relay. Start the engine. If the relay is clicking rapidly, your LH module is failing. The ticking may get quicker when you rev the engine, or may go away at either higher revs or as the car warms up. The relay is NOT faulty, the LH module is the root cause, if you indeed have this issue. No need to drive the car to test this, you can start it up and check while parked in the driveway.

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ASR light is not on. When it's in park, it idles but sounds weak. When I rev it, nope, doesn't rev right. I push the pedal to the floor and the car will go into motion slowly, then I slam the pedal down and it gives it a bump and goes a little faster but never gets up to speed.

As for the ticking sound, it does get quieter when it warms up, in fact I think the noise goes away, but not sure it goes away, because while the engine is running and the tire sound on the street could be making it sound like it isn't there, but could be there, I just can't hear it. So if it is a LH module, would that cause the power failure? Would that show up on a code reader?
 
OK... so, related question, when you turn the ignition/key on but have not yet started the engine, do all the warning lights come on? (They are supposed to, this confirms the bulbs are good.) Next question, are any other warning lights on with the engine running / driving?

The gas pedal issue still sounds like limp mode, or something else related to the drive-by-wire throttle actuator system (ETA and E-GAS module). HOWEVER, if you have unusually low fuel pressure, you could just be experiencing very low power output, which would not cause limp mode or any warning lights - it just wouldn't have any power.

A failing LH module that causes the relay clicking normally does not cause a low-power issue. However, it's easy test the module, swap the LH module with a good spare to find out. If you don't have spare modules, you should, they are inexpensive used and very handy for troubleshooting stuff like this. This particular issue would like *not* trigger any fault codes, however if you have a blink code reader, check codes on all modules anyway. If you haven't pulled up the rear seat cushion yet, please do that, it takes 30 seconds. Start the car and see if that is the source of the ticking noise. If so, your LH module needs repair or replacement.

Do you have access to a fuel pressure gauge, to attach to the port at the front of the fuel rail? When was the last time the fuel filter was replaced? If the fuel pumps are original, or you have no record that they were ever replaced... those are pretty high on the suspect list.

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I know this sounds pretty basic, and maybe unlikely - but have you removed distributor caps and checked for moisture? [Admin edit: Also check behind the insulators, behind the rotor bracket.] It can cause loss of power and some of the symptoms you describe.
 
Ok, now there is no power at all. I started the car up to keep the battery charged. I needed to move the car (bought another car) and it only moved at a chugging idle. I depressed the peddle to the floor, and, well, nothing. No rev, no anything exept a rough idle. But, it still idles. Also, it's been hard to start it, but, that might be due to not using it. The fuel filter was changed about 2 years ago, and since I've only put about 5,000 miles on it. So I doubt it is a filter problem. Plugs, wires, distributor caps, insulators etc., all that was changed too. But, I think I've been smelling gas lately. Looked underneath, no leaks. My mechanic suggested it might be the part underneath the air filters that costs $1,500. Whatever that is…I forgot what he called it?
 
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Ok, now there is no power at all. I started the car up to keep the battery charged. I needed to move the car (bought another car) and it only moved at a chugging idle. I depressed the peddle to the floor, and, well, nothing. No rev, no anything exept a rough idle. But, it still idles. Also, it's been hard to start it, but, that might be due to not using it. The fuel filter was changed about 2 years ago, and since I've only put about 5,000 miles on it. So I doubt it is a filter problem. Plugs, wires, distributor caps, insulators etc., all that was changed too.
You haven't mentioned if fuel pumps have been replaced or not. This MUST be checked, you can buy an inexpensive fuel pressure gauge at the local parts store and connect to the fuel rail port at the front/top of the engine. Low power could very well be dying fuel pumps. The rough idle is more likely to be ignition related but you've already replaced most of those parts.


But, I think I've been smelling gas lately. Looked underneath, no leaks.
Smelling gasoline is BAD. Cars have burned to the ground from fuel leaks. Find the leak and fix it! The most common part that leaks fuel is the high-pressure hose exiting the fuel filter under the rear of the car. It will only leak when the engine is running, but typically sprays a thin, high-pressure stream of gas. If this hose is old or original, it should be replaced as a safety item. DO NOT use aftermarket hoses, get the OE Mercedes hose, despite the $100+ cost. It's worth it, and will last another couple of decades. I've seen the aftermarket hoses fail within ~2 years.


My mechanic suggested it might be the part underneath the air filters that costs $1,500. Whatever that is…I forgot what he called it?
There's nothing fuel-related under the air cleaner for $1500. The fuel pressure regulator is a possible issue but aftermarket Bosch is ~$35 plus shipping and takes less than 30 mins to replace. This is another item that should be replaced proactively if there's no record of it ever being done. It could possibly cause the low power issue.
 
There's nothing fuel-related under the air cleaner for $1500. The fuel pressure regulator is a possible issue but aftermarket Bosch is ~$35 plus shipping and takes less than 30 mins to replace. This is another item that should be replaced proactively if there's no record of it ever being done. It could possibly cause the low power issue.
I think the reference here is to the ETA, @gsxr. Not necessarily fuel related, but more relating to the lack of throttle response.

MUCH more testing is in order, to determine what is really happening.
 
Ok, now there is no power at all


See this:
I know this sounds pretty basic, and maybe unlikely - but have you removed distributor caps and checked for moisture? [Admin edit: Also check behind the insulators, behind the rotor bracket.] It can cause loss of power and some of the symptoms you describe.

My personal experience: with 1-2 year old/couple thousand of miles caps and rotors, almost out of nowhere complete disaster. Mercedes indie at first thought it was transmission atf pump it was that bad. The car drove like it had 1 hp.
 
I think the reference here is to the ETA, @gsxr. Not necessarily fuel related, but more relating to the lack of throttle response.
Yes - the mechanic may have been referring to the ETA, but if so, he would be wrong... based on this information. Even a bad ETA would rev the engine when floored, and a bad ETA cannot cause a rough idle:
"I depressed the peddle to the floor, and, well, nothing. No rev, no anything exept a rough idle. But, it still idles. "



MUCH more testing is in order, to determine what is really happening.
Agree 100%. Error codes would be a good start. MBZGURL, you really need to check codes as described back in post #5. You can buy a code reader on eBay for ~$40 or so and there are instructions on the forum how to use it.
 
Like said before, if your fuel pump relay is still ticking and the ticking raises with the engine RPM your LH module is bad!

I have had two LH modules with this issue and i have now repaired the other and running it on My car for 2 years.

The capacitors are dried out, quite easy to change if you own solder Iron.

And if someone is interested i have also succesfully repaired TLLR and ABS modules by changing capacitors to those.
 
Ok, I found out what the problem is. It's a $5 part from the dealer. It's a little tiny square plastic part that holds the throttle cable in it's bracket.
 
Glad you found it. Its not a bad Idea to have a spare, OE get brittle with age and heat. A good time to replace this when one doew a new fuel pressure regulator or vacuum connector refresh.
 
mbzgurl,

Glad you found the problem. I’ve had that same issue in the past on my Euro 84 500SL and my long gone 86 300E. Unfortunately, (for me) in both instances, my Wife was driving the car. Both would start and idle normally but step on the throttle and NOTHING!! On the 500SL an approximately 1” round plastic ball disintegrated. Wife left / abandoned the car in the middle of a freeway off ramp in Anaheim.

The 300E almost the same part disintegrated. This time she had three other ladies with her (one a cancer patient that they were taking out to lunch) .

I received a “SMOKING :hot:PHONE CALL” in both instances that I remember to this day. My ass still hurts:runexe:

Both cars towed home. Problem diagnosed within about 1/2 hour of lifting the hood (bonnet to the Brits)

Both plastic parts under $5 and about a 1/2 hour to repair. But the pain still lingers.

NOTE to SELF >> CHECK the 500E!!

Better Yet, Just REPLACE the PART!!
 
mbzgurl,

Glad you found the problem. I’ve had that same issue in the past on my Euro 84 500SL and my long gone 86 300E. Unfortunately, (for me) in both instances, my Wife was driving the car. Both would start and idle normally but step on the throttle and NOTHING!! On the 500SL an approximately 1” round plastic ball disintegrated. Wife left / abandoned the car in the middle of a freeway off ramp in Anaheim.

The 300E almost the same part disintegrated. This time she had three other ladies with her (one a cancer patient that they were taking out to lunch) .

I received a “SMOKING :hot:PHONE CALL” in both instances that I remember to this day. My ass still hurts:runexe:

Both cars towed home. Problem diagnosed within about 1/2 hour of lifting the hood (bonnet to the Brits)

Both plastic parts under $5 and about a 1/2 hour to repair. But the pain still lingers.

NOTE to SELF >> CHECK the 500E!!

Better Yet, Just REPLACE the PART!!
Everything is falling apart that is made of plastic. The windows don't work, the sunroof is going slow, little parts like the trunk pads, the hood pad, the clips on the headlight holders, etc. I really don't like living in the desert for that reason. An air conditioned garage is a must if you want anything to work and stay nice. Even the tires are wearing prematurely. Oh, and the leather seats, jeeezusss! My 5 layer UV protection car cover with a life time guarantee is 2 years old and cracking!
I called the Mercedes dealership in Scottsdale to see if the part was available….and yes, they had six in stock. I went to pick it up 2 days later and they said they sold the last one an hour before I got there! So, they ordered some more and I had to wait another 2 days. Goes to show you I am not the only desert dweller with rotting plastic pieces. At least they have free tea, coffee and pastries and the server is quite friendly. 😊
 
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Heat and sun are not kind to automobiles. Your windows should be fixable. The sunroof should speed up if you disassemble the top rails after opening it, then clean + lube with the factory Gleitpaste. But you should check to make sure none of the felt sliding pads are missing. Trunk rubber bump stops are easy to replace, but are expensive little buggers! Just replaced those on one of my cars...

:spend:
 
Thank you all for all the wonderful suggestions. After re-reading this thread from top to bottom, I've made a list of parts I need to get and added it to the list I already have that exists in my brain. I haven't driven the car since I got the square part, because when I attempted to do a test drive, the gas peddle has no spring to it, it's limp. I'm not the one who put the part back on, someone else did cuz I couldn't reach it and I think he did it wrong. I need a little map that shows the position where it sits on the cable in the correct order and direction. I'll take a picture.
 
This part has been superseded to part number 202 301 00 93 64. The MB list price for this part is $2.00, and it can be purchased at the normal "discounted" dealers for around $1.50. I have ordered four of them for my deep parts archive.

Cheers,
Gerry
 
Heat and sun are not kind to automobiles. Your windows should be fixable. The sunroof should speed up if you disassemble the top rails after opening it, then clean + lube with the factory Gleitpaste. But you should check to make sure none of the felt sliding pads are missing. Trunk rubber bump stops are easy to replace, but are expensive little buggers! Just replaced those on one of my cars...

:spend:
Thanks for the infos. I couldn't figure out what they called them…rubber bump stops. That makes sense. I've cleaned and lubed the rails with slideeez. Windows are kinda complicated for me. I attached a picture of my throttle cable. I think the guy put it on wrong.
I found a YouTube video that shows what to do with the little square thing. I love YouTube!
More later….
 

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I couldn't figure out what they called them…rubber bump stops. That makes sense.
Photos attached. Two each of 124-758-00-44-64 and 124-758-01-44, about $16 each discount from MB Naperville (free shipping).


I've cleaned and lubed the rails with slideeez. Windows are kinda complicated for me.
If the front windows have issues, check if the plastic guide rail is intact (p/n 126-720-00-42, click here for a photo). This is a real hassle to replace but will cure clunking noises when the front windows roll up/down. If you need to replace this guide piece, only buy OE MB, the aftermarket ones do not fit properly. Definitely try to find a video showing how to replace this, it's NOT fun.


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Photos attached. Two each of 124-758-00-44-64 and 124-758-01-44, about $16 each discount from MB Naperville (free shipping).



If the front windows have issues, check if the plastic guide rail is intact (p/n 126-720-00-42, click here for a photo). This is a real hassle to replace but will cure clunking noises when the front windows roll up/down. If you need to replace this guide piece, only buy OE MB, the aftermarket ones do not fit properly. Definitely try to find a video showing how to replace this, it's NOT fun.


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You aren't kidding they are a lot of money! Oh well, I'm used to it. Thanks for the tip. The windows are a problem. The front passenger side needs everything. It's being held up by a log. I have the window regulator and motor for it, I just keep putting it off because I tried putting the motor in and got frustrated. The front drivers side goes up until it starts making a chewing grinding winding noise and stops 3/4 of the way up. Then, I have to give it a lttle push to get it to go back down. The back passenger side was fine until 2 days ago I noticed it went down by it's self about 2 inches. The rear passenger side window was pushed beyond it's limit down inside the car by a dumb passenger wanting to rest his elbo there. Now the window button for that window does nothing. It's the heat. It's killing everything. And so is the gd dumb passenger, that's not all he broke! I probably should buy all the parts for all the windows and rebuild them all.
 
Yikes! You have some serious window issues. Sounds like both front regulators may be toast. Grinding and no movement generally means some of the teeth are broken off. Need to replace the regulator... good used ones are generally fine, but front regulators are a major PITA to replace. Check for that plastic guide rail while it's apart, replace if broken (do all the nasty jobs at once). Lube the rails and stuff with Gleitpaste or other thin, light grease which doesn't attract dust/dirt.

The rear window regulators should allow the window to lower all the way, if it wasn't doing that, something was wrong. The rear regulators are pretty easy to swap out, at least compared to the front. Good used ones are a decent alternative here as well; IIRC new are pretty spendy for both front & rear.

:spend:
 
This part has been superseded to part number 202 301 00 93 64. The MB list price for this part is $2.00, and it can be purchased at the normal "discounted" dealers for around $1.50. I have ordered four of them for my deep parts archive.

Cheers,
Gerry
Came across this in my "deep parts" stash tonight while I was rooting around for the 500SEC EZL for JC. Guess this can join the ones I recently ordered with the new part number.
 

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