M119 twin turbo. 1 off custom performance parts.

[m119performancespecialist]

here is my 1995 E420 chassis.
It is motor swapped.
custom built m119

1 off custom billet intake manifold 6” intercooler core bolted in. Custom billet fuel rails, methanol injector’s, dbw Motion icon throttle body “relocated to front of manifold”. LS style.

closed deck blueprinted block, bored over and merged sleeves, custom rods, pistons and is twin turbo.

Running fueltech standalone/harness’s running on methanol, pcs transmission standalone, swapped in 722.6 and built trans/trans brake, amg bluetop solenoids ,valve body. 3500 stall Converter.

 

[Jlaa]

Wow this is fascinating. Do you have pics of the engine bay and the water/methanol/alcohol injection? Im assuming that wma injection is post-turbo correct? Where are the wma injectors situated and what does the algorithm to control that injection look like? As well, if the wma tank runs dry, does the system automatically dial back the boost?

 

[m119performancespecialist]

Wow this is fascinating. Do you have pics of the engine bay and the water/methanol/alcohol injection? Im assuming that wma injection is post-turbo correct? Where are the wma injectors situated and what does the algorithm to control that injection look like? As well, if the wma tank runs dry, does the system automatically dial back the boost?

i will shortly, i have intake manifold currently off because i had the lower redone in billet aluminum. So when fresh out of the shop and reinstalled, you will be first to know!
i definitely have older pics of the turbo install though back when i thought i wanted a front mount intercooler but decided against it.

 

[m119performancespecialist]

Wow this is fascinating. Do you have pics of the engine bay and the water/methanol/alcohol injection? Im assuming that wma injection is post-turbo correct? Where are the wma injectors situated and what does the algorithm to control that injection look like? As well, if the wma tank runs dry, does the system automatically dial back the boost?

mine is fed directly at the injectors from aeromotive 10gpm pump because i only run straight methanol. I have a 15gal plastic tank in trunk. Its ran by fueltech standalone ft600 which has many features for someone running pure methanol, a mixture with pump gas, or two separate tanks is ideal as it highly corrosive and flushing it out with pump gas is ideal. Because the major overhead cost in designing 1 off parts i could not put as much money into a separate fuel system for street driving so it's currently all track, but thats where the numbers matter anyhow. i need to install my rollcage and build the rear end.

 

[gsxr]

closed deck blueprinted block, bored over and merged sleeves, custom rods, pistons..

Wow! What is the bore, stroke, displacement, and compression ratio?

i need to install my rollcage and build the rear end.

What differential and gear ratio do you plan to use? With the power levels this could make, axle shafts & CV joints may be the weak link.

 

[m119performancespecialist]

Wow this is fascinating. Do you have pics of the engine bay and the water/methanol/alcohol injection? Im assuming that wma injection is post-turbo correct? Where are the wma injectors situated and what does the algorithm to control that injection look like? As well, if the wma tank runs dry, does the system automatically dial back the boost?

Wow! What is the bore, stroke, displacement, and compression ratio?

What differential and gear ratio do you plan to use? With the power levels this could make, axle shafts & CV joints may be the weak link.

bore achieved is 102mm with merged sleeves. This is the 92 closed deck r129 block. We all know this was the only way possible to achieve 102mm bore. I have 9:0:1 compression and 100mm stroke custom crankshaft.

i attempted the m117 95mm crank, pistons and rods back in 2016 but seen many issues such as ring-lands falling beneath the sleeve when rotated. my machinist and i ran some numbers after running into rod issues with that 95mm stroke and eventually just chose custom crank, rods and pistons. i still have the m117 internals around.

i sent the block out for 3d scan and created cad program to build a billet block down the road.
Fyi i have cad program for open deck and closed deck block as you see the pictures above, so i could make intake manifolds for 93-99 m119 engines as we are all aware of changes made to manifolds.

You are correct the rear end will not hold and besides roll cage is all i have left to finish.

 

[gsxr]

102mm bore with 100mm stroke is 6.5L (6,537cc)!! Damn! That's amazing.

So this is based on the tall-deck 119.960 block, correct?

 

[m119performancespecialist]

i will shortly, i have intake manifold currently off because i had the lower redone in billet aluminum. So when fresh out of the shop and reinstalled, you will be first to know!
i definitely have older pics of the turbo install though back when i thought i wanted a front mount intercooler but decided against it.

here is older pics before methanol installed.

102mm bore with 100mm stroke is 6.5L (6,537cc)!! Damn! Thats amazing.

So this is based on the tall-deck 119.960 block, correct?

correct, it is the 119.960 tall deck block. Believe it or not i scored it at my local u-pull yard! it had 92k miles on it!

 

[anderzen]

i've been telling @m119performancespecialist to stop by here for a while, told him there would be interest! Very cool stuff he has done and is developing. Can't wait to see where it goes from here!

 

[m119performancespecialist]

thank you boss, appreciate you!

 

[anderzen]

right back at you!

 

[gsxr]

bore achieved is 102mm with merged sleeves. This is the 92 closed deck r129 block. We all know this was the only way possible to achieve 102mm bore. I have 9:0:1 compression and 100mm stroke custom crankshaft.

Forgot to ask: Are the sleeves Alusil, or steel/iron? Also, were the original bores just enlarged to accept the sleeves, or completely machined out and replaced? Partially filled water jacket or anything like that?

 

[Alphasud40]

I would think with the bore size and increased cylinder pressures head gasket sealing will be a real challenge.

 

[m119performancespecialist]

I would think with the bore size and increased cylinder pressures head gasket sealing will be a real challenge.

no issues as of yet.

 

[m119performancespecialist]

I would think with the bore size and increased cylinder pressures head gasket sealing will be a real challenge.

no issues as of yet. Stern garage offers gaskets for this specific bore. not cheap i might add.

 

[Alphasud40]

It’s a incredible build BTW. With big risks come big rewards. Stock head fasteners like ARP or something custom?

 

[m119performancespecialist]

Forgot to ask: Are the sleeves Alusil, or steel/iron? Also, were the original bores just enlarged to accept the sleeves, or completely machined out and replaced? Partially filled water jacket or anything like that?

the sleeves are steel, my block designer determined it best for my power goals also for the piston availability etc it made more sense as to not being limited by the alucil options/pricing.
the block was overbored to accept sleeves and i have room for rebuild otherwise would not have been worth money/time. because of this the center of the block bores were drilled through and the sleeves are shaved at the center and merged.
all sleeves come out as a 1 piece assembly.

keep in mind i have a machinist friend helping me with all this.. the water jackets remain in the block as of currently. Does not mean issues may arise at a later time. trial/error. i have deleted the coolant passages on my intake manifold because ice box is built into my intercooler on top of intake manifold.
my passes will be 1/8mi and running short times so wasn’t an issue for me there.

 

[m119performancespecialist]

@gsxr

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[m119performancespecialist]

@gsxr

these are reinz gaskets i could not find any cross over and assumed they were a victor reinz part here in us but no luck. again these are spendy option and i chose a guy with multi layer gaskets doing 1 off to get his name out there.

 

[gsxr]

my passes will be 1/8mi and running short times so wasn’t an issue for me there.

Awww, bummer! Is there a full 1/4 mile strip anywhere near you for some full-length pulls? I'd love to know what trap speeds you can pull on the 1/4.

these are reinz gaskets i could not find any cross over and assumed they were a victor reinz part here in us but no luck. again these are spendy option and i chose a guy with multi layer gaskets doing 1 off to get his name out there.

Just to clarify - you are using multi-layer steel gaskets, not the SG Victor gaskets, correct? Does your guy make the MLS gaskets for 100mm bore (standard 6.0L)?

 

[Rouven036]

@gsxr as posted it's from Stern Garage, they use original style cylinder head gasket material, no MLS

 

[Rouven036]

Nice work @m119performancespecialist
The top of your recent development looks like a holley sniper intake or some sort off.
Was having the same intensions on my M117 powered W123 and got also into designing every single bit of it myself which was an very good learning as I didn't had the option from 3d scanning but a set of heads, manifold and gaskets to start from.
Also nice to see that you put a bellmouth design for the runners as this is not always considered in such builds. I did it too with protruding mouthpieces into the plenum.

Crazy what can be done nowadays!

 

[m119performancespecialist]

thank you @Rouven036 the holley top is a cheaper top option for everyone else, i have 3 other top option’s. Sheet metal, billet and carbon. Also a 3” and 6” intercooler cores that can be added for the boost guys at any time depending on budget. Not selling just informing..

 

[m119performancespecialist]

Just to clarify - you are using multi-layer steel gaskets, not the SG Victor gaskets, correct? Does your guy make the MLS gaskets for 100mm bore (standard 6.0L)?

correct i am using mls gaskets currently. And if he is asked, i am sure he would gladly take on 100mm aswell for 6.0

 

[gsxr]

correct i am using mls gaskets currently. And if he is asked, i am sure he would gladly take on 100mm aswell for 6.0

This is really interesting stuff. What is his price (ballpark) for a pair of MLS gaskets?

 

[Rouven036]

Indeed highly interesting with MLS

 

[m119performancespecialist]

It’s a incredible build BTW. With big risks come big rewards. Stock head fasteners like ARP or something custom?

steel studs currently.

 

[m119performancespecialist]

I would think with the bore size and increased cylinder pressures head gasket sealing will be a real challenge.

methanol eliminated most of this problem like e85 however methanol is consistent for me and i dont need to take a vile with me to test it like E85 everytime.

 

[m119performancespecialist]

This is really interesting stuff. What is his price (ballpark) for a pair of MLS gaskets?

think i paid $350 for the set

 

[m119performancespecialist]

methanol eliminated most of this problem like e85 however methanol is consistent for me and i dont need to take a vile with me to test it like E85 everytime.

fyi only!, “not selling or promoting” anyone looking to run methanol or a methanol mixture engaged by a fuel sensor switch/load switch etc prometh on facebook is the place to find it. the owner is very smart/knowledgeable about setups dependent on your power goals. prometh all one word.

 

[Demon 500 sl]

bore achieved is 102mm with merged sleeves. This is the 92 closed deck r129 block. We all know this was the only way possible to achieve 102mm bore. I have 9:0:1 compression and 100mm stroke custom crankshaft.

i attempted the m117 95mm crank, pistons and rods back in 2016 but seen many issues such as ring-lands falling beneath the sleeve when rotated. my machinist and i ran some numbers after running into rod issues with that 95mm stroke and eventually just chose custom crank, rods and pistons. i still have the m117 internals around.

i sent the block out for 3d scan and created cad program to build a billet block down the road.
Fyi i have cad program for open deck and closed deck block as you see the pictures above, so i could make intake manifolds for 93-99 m119 engines as we are all aware of changes made to manifolds.

You are correct the rear end will not hold and besides roll cage is all i have left to finish.

Hey guys! I finally made an account on here and I just say very very beautiful work your going balls to wall with this motor build . I don't want you take this as ik more than you but remeber the m119 as a 5.0 is a very strong bullet proof motor for your next build on reliability the .960 block first two years of the SL 500 is the same block used in Le Ma crank I'm pretty sure too (prop re ballenced for high revs) . Also the cams are bigger in the early years little more lift and duration. The Le Ma engine had a super high rise manifold with it makeing 2.5 bar 1200+ horsepower so I'm sure if u can get the science behind a stock 5.0 boosted block it would never brake because that motor was literally designed to have the snot beat out of it for 24hrs . But again that is some of the sexiest shit I've seen in awhile your motor . Here's my 1991 SL with a tuned fuel distributor and chipped Ezl and a swapped rear from a 6cylinder on a 200 shot

 

[m119performancespecialist]

 

[m119performancespecialist]

@everyone here is my 2000hp setup completed for everyone to see. remember this setup was for my needs in drag racing only. however changes can be incorporated to make street driven, smaller intercooler, or no intercooler, and water inlet/outlets into the heads.

 

[gsxr]

Photos?

 

[m119performancespecialist]

i will get more photos after it arrives back at home and is bolted up.

 

[m119performancespecialist]

here is pictures without the lid or without need of the intercooler for the NA guys.

 

[NIIBE]

Nice Project and RD are going on!

Regarding NA Holly SINGLE big throttle, does it clear the W124 Engine hood ?
It would be great for the guy who have 722.6 trans (without mechanical kick down) and stand alone ECU.

BTW will you plan to use the Motor plate for race car or just use non OEM engine mount ? as such as billet or HD urethan etc. ?

Speed Niibe

 

[m119performancespecialist]

the throttle body will clear for NA guys yes.
my setup with intercooler will not. and yes eventually i will have a motor plate too. chassis shop is up next for this to be fully caged and too handle under 5 sec 1/8mi i require two parachutes now too.

 

[m119performancespecialist]

here is the latest. my fuel rails were not included in the shipment by accident, so waiting on those and my new oil less comp turbo’s.

 

[winmutt]

Wanna share the 3d files

 

[m119performancespecialist]

Wanna share the 3d files

absolutely not. I have patents because of thieves and for the most part kept quiet about my build because people with that mentality.

 

[Funny Bunny]

absolutely not. I have patents because of thieves and for the most part kept quiet about my build because people with that mentality.

You shouldn't patent things like this because it lets other people know how you did it and/or the details that they wouldn't be able to know otherwise. Just keep it secret.

 

[winmutt]

absolutely not. I have patents because of thieves and for the most part kept quiet about my build because people with that mentality.

Sorry, I meant of the engine scans.

 

[jhodg5ck]

that intake is spectacular.

 

[m119performancespecialist]

that intake is spectacular.

thank you!

 

[Brento]

here is pictures without the lid or without need of the intercooler for the NA guys.

Are you planning on selling the intake manifold you designed? After I completed an M113K 560SEC swap I am keen to move on to my next project, twin turboing my 1991 500SL. Your intake manifold would make life much eaiser for me! I know the work that would have gone into it, I had to develop a bunch of custom parts for my M113K swap and have sold the drawings for a few of these parts to others doing the swap.

 

[m119performancespecialist]

Are you planning on selling the intake manifold you designed? After I completed an M113K 560SEC swap I am keen to move on to my next project, twin turboing my 1991 500SL. Your intake manifold would make life much eaiser for me! I know the work that would have gone into it, I had to develop a bunch of custom parts for my M113K swap and have sold the drawings for a few of these parts to others doing the swap.

they are not production numbers yet so one off pricing only, if i get 5-10 people to buy at once, my cnc guy will drop the price dramatically.

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[500AMM]

You have probably seen this thread :

900hp Twin turbo M119 - drool warning! | W124 AMG & Tuner Cars

I was surfing through the Norwegian 500E/E500 group on FB today, and came across this twin turbo M119 powered W201 prepared for hill climbing. I have no information about the power output. Watch some of the videos, talk about thunder! :wow: https://www.facebook.com/JensMRacing/photos...

www.500eboard.co

Not a W124 but the engine setup is similar to yours.

 

[Brento]

they are not production numbers yet so one off pricing only, if i get 5-10 people to buy at once, my cnc guy will drop the price dramatically.

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OK cheers, do you have a ballpark price? Hate to say it, finding 5 people to buy one will be a tough ask!

Have you had a look at getting the manifold machined on 3D Hubs? I used it for making parts for my swap.

 

[m119performancespecialist]

OK cheers, do you have a ballpark price? Hate to say it, finding 5 people to buy one will be a tough ask!

Have you had a look at getting the manifold machined on 3D Hubs? I used it for making parts for my swap.

it will be hard yes, but i think 10 people got price down too $2800. but again all my stuff is billet aluminum not casted.