Mercedes E60 AMG LIMITED

[Mosselmann]

Hello!

I am the proud owner of a original factory delivered mercedes E 60 AMG LIMITED 1995 mod and I'm wondering what this car might be worth..

121000km, saphire black, I am the second owner, non damage car, original paint, full service history, rear seats never used, Birds eye maple wood, evo rims . I paid 50000 eur for it, but I see a lot of different prices out there.. I was told there were produced only 12 of this car,only 6 is known to be alive. is that so?

Hope someone can help me with these questions, a bit worried Ive paid too much for this car... It is in eccelent condition

ADMIN EDIT: VIN = WDB1240361C204818

 

[195910]

Hello,

We will need more details to determine approximate value.. Location? More about history ? Pictures ?

Only 12 Factory E60 Limited were produced (according the the forum sources).

 

[2phast]

Hello,

We will need more details to determine approximate value.. Location? More about history ? Pictures ?

Only 12 Factory E60 Limited were produced (according the the forum sources).

BUT, there are many more out there that started life as a regular Mercedes and were shipped "after the fact" to AMG for conversion. AND that really is only counting AMG of Germany built cars, not AMG of Japan.

So in reality, there are allot of E60 Limited's out there. Any one of them is worth allot.

If you were to pull the data card of your E60, it should tell you if it started life as a E60. If there are no AMG options on the data card of if it just says E500, then you have a "after the fact" converted E60.

 

[Mosselmann]

BUT, there are many more out there that started life as a regular Mercedes and were shipped "after the fact" to AMG for conversion. AND that really is only counting AMG of Germany built cars, not AMG of Japan.

So in reality, there are allot of E60 Limited's out there. Any one of them is worth allot.

If you were to pull the data card of your E60, it should tell you if it started life as a E60. If there are no AMG options on the data card of if it just says E500, then you have a "after the fact" converted E60.

I dont know how to post images on this website, but the chassinr is 124 036 1c 204 818

The option data card says 241 249 304 305 331 412 441 540 551 570 592 620 658 682 732 819 873 885 957 958 981

 

[195910]

Will check data card, already shows the 957 (AMG) & 958 (Limited) & 732 (Bird Eye Maple).

 

[need2speed]

You should withold further data until pictures are posted ;-)

 

[2phast]

Will check data card, already shows the 957 (AMG) & 958 (Limited) & 732 (Bird Eye Maple).

Sure seems like a E60 limited

 

[gsxr]

If your VIN is WDB1240361C204818, that does appear to be one of "The Twelve" genuine factory E60 AMG Limiteds... datacard does indeed show codes 957+958. Very cool. No idea on value though, sorry! Please post photos when you have a chance.

 

[samiam44]

Awesome!

Hey where are you located in Europe?



Michael

 

[Mosselmann]

Thank you for all the research! The car is located in Norway, land of the ugly taxes and low speed limits The car was sold new in germany, never used rear seats, all papers, from the original sale contract to the id card to the sales agent is intact...It is a German DTM racer who has owned the car if I understood the seller correct..

Yes I will try to find out how to make a photo connected to an url adress, not easy for a middel aged fool: )

This is great news, this is indeed a ultra rare car...Its got to be worth something!

 

[michel]

if it is in a top condition for the right buyer 100.000-150.000 euro's

but only in great great condition

 

[Jelmer]

Looking forward to seeing some pictures! Check out the wiki page I made about uploading pictures (http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showwiki.php?title=Uploading_images) or feel free to PM / email me if you can't get it to work.

 

[195910]

Lets see those pics... If the documentation is as you stated then 50,000Euro is a more than fair price.

 

[e500.org]

Lol I dont think 100k euros is realistic.

Maybe 40k euros is more like it.

 

[Mosselmann]

Outside the dealer in Germany, I cant post more than one img each message....

 

[Mosselmann]

Two coloured interior with birds eye maple wood, the limited plate is hard to see from this angle

 

[Mosselmann]

and more...

 

[superstar]

Oh ,What a beauty!

 

[mbforever]

more photos of this beauty!!!!

 

[195910]

Is it from Uslby ?
FYI: The cassette rack below the radio is actually original from factory in your car, its in the Data card.

 

[Mosselmann]

The car was sold to a man in Leipzig, and he owned it until 2009, I bought it from a dealer in Uelsby... It looks like he paid 185526,28 DM for this car, 20.02.1995

There is an extra bill the same date on 9053,28 DM, but I dont understand what says, its written in German... Gutschrifts-endbetrag...

Very different prices on this forum, from 40000 to 150000 eur... the only thing that is not perfect is the clear paint? on the hood and in front of the rear wheels, on the side skirts, it has some defects... But the dealer said it was more worth with the original paint

 

[gsxr]

Determining value is very difficult because there are so few of these cars. The only way to know the true market value would be to put the car up for auction and see what someone is willing to pay. Personally I think any value near $100k EUR (or higher) is unrealistic unless the car had extremely low km's and was concours/museum condition. I think ~$50k EUR (approx $65k USD) is a good ballpark value.

 

[Mosselmann]

Its a car thats been very well kept, but its not a museum object! Its good to get a rough idea what its worth, but this car is a bit like good wine i think, if its kept in the same condition, the price will stay or rize as the years go...

 

[Mosselmann]

not so many sweat bottoms here

 

[Jelmer]

Hmm. When I first saw the limited leather, I thought it looked silly. Now it's beginning to grow on me, though

 

[195910]

Hallo Mosselmann,

This is the current value of such a car, its a fair price... It will only appreciate every year and according to how the market is behaving you will get 100K in a few years.

 

[Egreaves20]

Great car, congrats.

 

[JordiC]

The only way to know the true market value would be to put the car up for auction and see what someone is willing to pay.

+1 Take it to the next high-end auction and set a comfortable reserve. This car is too rare to establish a market price any other way.

 

[e500.org]

That car is beautiful - inside and out. That interior is absolutely awesome.

Can we ask how much you paid - pretty please? E60 AMG is very rare, if I was you i'd never sell that!

Best regards from London!

Bill

 

[weide1]

I think both Marco Hof (http://500e.nl/contact/) and Douwe Leitner (http://www.autoleitner.nl/automobielen/contact.html) can give you a fair price for your remarkable E 60 Limited.

 

[500AMM]

Congratulation so much with your E60 AMG Limited!

What a beautiful car - this is in fact my ultimate dreamcar, I would have traded whatever to get that car. I'm very happy on your behalf!
You stated the car is in Norway, so if you are Norwegian or live here in Norway, I would appreciate to hear from you in the near future, PM sent earlier today.

Cheers
Arnt

 

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That car is beautiful - inside and out. That interior is absolutely awesome.

Can we ask how much you paid - pretty please? E60 AMG is very rare, if I was you i'd never sell that!

Best regards from London!

Bill

Answer :

Hello!

I am the proud owner of a original factory delivered mercedes E 60 AMG LIMITED 1995 mod and I'm wondering what this car might be worth..

121000km, saphire black, I am the second owner, non damage car, original paint, full service history, rear seats never used, Birds eye maple wood, evo rims . I paid 50000 eur for it, but I see a lot of different prices out there.. I was told there were produced only 12 of this car,only 6 is known to be alive. is that so?

Hope someone can help me with these questions, a bit worried Ive paid too much for this car... It is in eccelent condition

 

[Mosselmann]

As I wrote earlier I paid 50000 eur in 2009, Thanks for the compliments, yes its a fantastic car and the service history, with all the original papers follows the car, and the previous owner has really taken care of it... The two colour interior is very sensitive to sunlight, and this car has allways been kept in a garage so the colours are very fresh

 

[Mosselmann]

Congratulation so much with your E60 AMG Limited!

What a beautiful car - this is in fact my ultimate dreamcar, I would have traded whatever to get that car. I'm very happy on your behalf!
You stated the car is in Norway, so if you are Norwegian or live here in Norway, I would appreciate to hear from you in the near future, PM sent earlier today.

Cheers
Arnt

Hello! I sent you PM yesterday and today, maybe some error? Yes I live in Norway
Cheers and a happy new year from Ole

 

[Alpina]

50k € is ok price,,,

but if this car will reach the 6 figure number i would be stunned,,

there is a E60 for sale,, ----->> http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-insera...&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&categories=Limousine

 

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there is a E60 for sale,, ----->> http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...ries=Limousine

Not 1 of the 12, plenty of these around from japan with little or no history.

In comparison then Mosselmann's is a steal

 

[2phast]

Not 1 of 12 , plenty of these around from japan with little or no history.

In comparison then Mosselmann's is a steal

I would have to agree here. The silver car is a 93 and has been face lifted, has many typical JDM add-ons (typical of AMG of Japan) and it has automatic climate control.

With that said, I wish it was sitting on a dealer lot here in the USA ;-)

 

[195910]

50k € is ok price,,,

but if this car will reach the 6 figure number i would be stunned,,

there is a E60 for sale,, ----->> http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-insera...&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&categories=Limousine

This cannot be compared to Mosselmann's car.. this is an undocumented Jap import 93 E60AMG with many non-OE alteration...Not worth half of Mosselmann's car.

 

[Alpina]

I am not aware that members here can judge about the price of an E60 LTD compared to non LTD E60 ,,,, like an ordinary E60 is worth just a 1/2 like Mosselman´s car . but maby i am wrong at all,, but paying 60-100% more for an Limited E60 vs non Limited.. is that acceptable.. or just normal ??

i agree it is one of a kind,, and the first EVER AMG car to have this famous figure 957,, that all AMG cars have today ,, , it is often the market that controls the price on a rare car,, not the buyer and not the seller,,, when the final price ,, or a deal is done
IMO the E60 limited is one of the greatest ,,if not the greatest AMG car of all time.. and .. it is the First Mercedes car that went oem from Mercedes to AMG on order.. that is cool indeed if you like some historical cliché

I have been reading that 6 cars of these 12 are known,, but on such a rare car as this ,, and the source on the internet + all kinds of info around the E60 ,,, where are these other 6 LTD

 

[SilverStar]

I have been reading that 6 cars of these 12 are known,, but on such a rare car as this ,, and the source on the internet + all kinds of info around the E60 ,,, where are these other 6 LTD

One is currently in the auction system in Japan.

http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?3148-FS-1994-E60-Limited-Black-Gray-30kkm-(Japan-auction)&highlight=limited+Japan+auction

 

[195910]

I am not aware that members here can judge about the price of an E60 LTD compared to non LTD E60 ,,,, like an ordinary E60 is worth just a 1/2 like Mosselman´s car . but maby i am wrong at all,, but paying 60-100% more for an Limited E60 vs non Limited.. is that acceptable.. or just normal ??

Hi Alpina,

The comparison was not E60 LTD Vs E60... It was Between a (fully documented) E60 LTD from its original owner Vs (Undocumented) E60 found in a container somewhere...
I am sure you agree that its the Auto Market Experts that set the price of these cars (e.g Our friend in Uelsby) who would not consider that E60 for half that price.

 

[Mosselmann]

Hi Alpina,

The comparison was not E60 LTD Vs E60... It was Between a (fully documented) E60 LTD from its original owner Vs (Undocumented) E60 found in a container somewhere...
I am sure you agree that its the Auto Market Experts that set the price of these cars (e.g Our friend in Uelsby) who would not consider that E60 for half that price.

Thank you for all answers, This is a forum with a lot of skilled people, thank you for all opinions and facts... Its said its 6 e60 limiteds left, but I havent seen one of these with original rims,bumpers, not lowered or tune up (tune down)interior details.. When you own a rare car like I do, you have a certain responsibility to keep the car with the specs it had when it left the factory...It is a great piece of history and engineering.

 

[gerryvz]

Determining value is very difficult because there are so few of these cars. The only way to know the true market value would be to put the car up for auction and see what someone is willing to pay. Personally I think any value near $100k EUR (or higher) is unrealistic unless the car had extremely low km's and was concours/museum condition. I think ~$50k EUR (approx $65k USD) is a good ballpark value.

I would have to agree that the USD $65K level would be absolute top dollar for an E500E in today's [non-US] market. And I don't see this being upped anytime in the near future for anything more than a very rare anomaly.

Certainly as with anything, the "market" for these cars is what a buyer is willing to pay, but just because a car brings $30 or $40K doesn't mean there's a trend going on.

We've seen a few sales of cars with relatively low miles in the US for prices in the low $20K to around $30K, and perhaps a Hatch sale or two above $30k in the past few years. I've not heard of any sale, ever, of any 036 confirmed and documented in the US or elsewhere above $30-35K that I can remember.

To think that an E500E could bring above $50K in the US market is highly optimistic, in my opinion. $75-100K is hallucinatory thinking (I think even in non-US markets) except for a very very very rare situation where a car has been freeze-dried preserved in a bubble for the past 20 years with <1000 miles on it. And even then, it better be a factory-documented E60 Limited with an owner like Michael Schumacher or Emerson Fittipaldi....

This might change in 10 or 20 years (as it has been with the 300SEL 6.3) but the 109.018s have 25 years' heads start on the 124.036s.....

I can virtually GUARANTEE that no 036 in any condition could or would bring $50K in a US auction today - not even at Pebble Beach or in Phoenix in January. Not enough collector interest or awareness of what the car is.

My two cents.

Cheers,
Gerry


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I havent seen one of these with original rims,bumpers, not lowered or tune up (tune down)interior details.. When you own a rare car like I do, you have a certain responsibility to keep the car with the specs it had when it left the factory...It is a great piece of history and engineering.

Here's one which was posted here 2 years back http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?836-E60-AMG-FOR-SALE unfortunately it has history of rear end damage, I believe.

 

[Mosselmann]

I would have to agree that the USD $65K level would be absolute top dollar for an E500E in today's [non-US] market. And I don't see this being upped anytime in the near future for anything more than a very rare anomaly.

Certainly as with anything, the "market" for these cars is what a buyer is willing to pay, but just because a car brings $30 or $40K doesn't mean there's a trend going on.

We've seen a few sales of cars with relatively low miles in the US for prices in the low $20K to around $30K, and perhaps a Hatch sale or two above $30k in the past few years. I've not heard of any sale, ever, of any 036 confirmed and documented in the US or elsewhere above $30-35K that I can remember.

To think that an E500E could bring above $50K in the US market is highly optimistic, in my opinion. $75-100K is hallucinatory thinking (I think even in non-US markets) except for a very very very rare situation where a car has been freeze-dried preserved in a bubble for the past 20 years with <1000 miles on it. And even then, it better be a factory-documented E60 Limited with an owner like Michael Schumacher or Emerson Fittipaldi....

This might change in 10 or 20 years (as it has been with the 300SEL 6.3) but the 109.018s have 25 years' heads start on the 124.036s.....

I can virtually GUARANTEE that no 036 in any condition could or would bring $50K in a US auction today - not even at Pebble Beach or in Phoenix in January. Not enough collector interest or awareness of what the car is.

My two cents.

Cheers,
Gerry


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I was offered 65000 eur for the car by a collector in 2011

 

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I was offered 65000 eur for the car by a collector in 2011

As Gerry states :

Certainly as with anything, the "market" for these cars is what a buyer is willing to pay,

 

[500AMM]

I would have to agree that the USD $65K level would be absolute top dollar for an E500E in today's [non-US] market. And I don't see this being upped anytime in the near future for anything more than a very rare anomaly.

Certainly as with anything, the "market" for these cars is what a buyer is willing to pay, but just because a car brings $30 or $40K doesn't mean there's a trend going on.

We've seen a few sales of cars with relatively low miles in the US for prices in the low $20K to around $30K, and perhaps a Hatch sale or two above $30k in the past few years. I've not heard of any sale, ever, of any 036 confirmed and documented in the US or elsewhere above $30-35K that I can remember.

To think that an E500E could bring above $50K in the US market is highly optimistic, in my opinion. $75-100K is hallucinatory thinking (I think even in non-US markets) except for a very very very rare situation where a car has been freeze-dried preserved in a bubble for the past 20 years with <1000 miles on it. And even then, it better be a factory-documented E60 Limited with an owner like Michael Schumacher or Emerson Fittipaldi....

This might change in 10 or 20 years (as it has been with the 300SEL 6.3) but the 109.018s have 25 years' heads start on the 124.036s.....

I can virtually GUARANTEE that no 036 in any condition could or would bring $50K in a US auction today - not even at Pebble Beach or in Phoenix in January. Not enough collector interest or awareness of what the car is.

My two cents.

Cheers,
Gerry

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Well, I won't debate this with you Gerry, and it may have changed during the later years, but I offered $50K to Hatch & Sons for the 6.0 6-speed manual RENNtech car back in 2006/7. It was a written & signed letter with a blue pen Emailed in true color to them. That was my opening offer - which mean I was willing to discuss the price so we could settle between their asking $65K and my $50K, but they were barely willing to lift the phone when I rang them. I don't know what H&S think this car is worth in their eyes, but I was clear on two things - sure it is a one-off-super-rare-pristine-lowmilage car, but it is not a collector item though. It is in the same category as a Brabus 6.5, and my 6.0 kompressor, etc..

(I think the car is still there collecting dust and aging down, it's so pity.)

 

[gsxr]

I would have to agree that the USD $65K level would be absolute top dollar for an E500E in today's [non-US] market. And I don't see this being upped anytime in the near future for anything more than a very rare anomaly.

I can virtually GUARANTEE that no 036 in any condition could or would bring $50K in a US auction today...

I think there is a distinct difference between "standard" .036 cars, and .036 cars with either option code 957 (E60 AMG) or 958 (Limited). Either code will command a price premium of some amount compared to a standard .036 chassis, assuming similar condition. Attempting to determine a price on one of the (allegedly) 12 in the world that are both 957+958 is awfully difficult. Let's not forget about the museum-quality, extremely low-miles car in SoCal that sold a few years ago, IIRC, for ~$90k USD to a collector (info was on the now-dead 500Ecstasy board).

Both scenarios would fall under the "very rare anomaly" category, but again, this thread was specifically discussing a mostly-original 957+958 car, which is by definition very rare. The one linked above in Japan is a good example of how idiots can potentially ruin what was a very nice, very rare car by performing non-reversible modifications (i.e., cutting/drilling).

 

[gsxr]

Well, I won't debate this with you Gerry, and it may have changed during the later years, but I offered $50K to Hatch & Sons for the 6.0 6-speed manual RENNtech car back in 2006/7. It was a written & signed letter with a blue pen Emailed in true color to them. That was my opening offer - which mean I was willing to discuss the price so we could settle between their asking $65K and my $50K, but they were barely willing to lift the phone when I rang them. I don't know what H&S think this car is worth in their eyes, but I was clear on two things - sure it is a one-off-super-rare-pristine-lowmilage car, but it is not a collector item though. It is in the same category as a Brabus 6.5, and my 6.0 kompressor, etc..

(I think the car is still there collecting dust and aging down, it's so pity.)

Yes, it is a pity they are arrogant enough to blow off customers. I honestly think they don't really want to sell the car, but if so, they should stop advertising it and just use it as a display piece. I can't stand businesses that operate like that. Don't get me started on the infamous green Unser (?) car they were hawking at a huge premium when it was not in good condition (click here, read post #15). Makes you wonder what might be wrong with the blue 6-speed car, because Hatch generally spends little, if anything, on making the car concours... they'll leave it as they bought it.

 

[gerryvz]

1) An offer in 2006/2007 -- when the world economy was in supposedly better shape (at least, at the time Europe and the US weren't in recession) -- and also with the car being 5+ years newer, an offer of $50K for said car could be conceivable. My post is talking about today's / 2010+ market. It's a very different dynamic in today's market. Record prices are being paid for cars, but primarily highly collectable cars such as rare Ferraris, Gullwings, 540K's, 300Scs, W112 convertibles, and the like. Even the US muscle car market has largely cooled down over what it was a few years ago. It's easy to quote astronomical/anomaly prices paid 8-10 years ago when the cars were much higher on the depreciation curve -- i.e. a $35K USD car today (top of the market dollar) may well have been worth $50K+ ten years ago when the car was half as old!!

2) I could see the Hatch 6.0 / manual car being in the "very rare anomaly" category, because of its provenance, desirable displacement/drivetrain specs, and overall history. Though the interior dampens its appeal, so even that would limit its value by a measurable amount. Again though, the market is what buyers are willing to pay. It's impossible to talk in absolutes with regard to particular ("anomaly" or emotional) automobiles. But if you look at the arc of the market in general, which I have in general terms over the past 10 years, I just am not seeing 036s going for $35K and above, let alone $65K+!!! That's NOT to say that one won't (a la referenced 500Ex car from way back), just that it's not a regular event by any means. Even with these huge-bucks JDM cars, we don't really know if they are even selling or not, and for how much. I sure seem to see a lot of them appearing in the Middle East and in Europe though -- I wonder if that's because they are not finding buyers in Japan, so are going for less money in other markets ?!?

3) H&S will sell any car in their inventory to the right buyer, for the right price (in their mind) and as long as the deal is not sketchy/too complicated in their estimation. Period.

4) I would readily put a 957/958 car in the "anomaly" category if it had full documentation, extremely low miles, full maintenance records, and everything was correct cosmetically with the car.

5) As I am guilty of in this thread, it's easy to generalize, pontificate, and otherwise predict the market. And it's easy to say "I offered $XXX". To me that's sort of like saying as a seller "I advertised the car for $XXX" when in reality the car sold for 25% less than that asking price. You have to look at the market in terms of COMPLETED TRANSACTIONS, not "offered for sale" prices or "offered payment." A deal is either done, or not. If it's not, then you can't count the asking price or the buyer's offer as what the market will bear. There are many factors that go into whether a deal is done or not, quite often intangibles and not just based on money. The KNOWN sale prices I've seen in the past few years for some of the very best cars in the US have really not cracked much above $30K USD (if that). That's not to say that no such transaction has occurred, just not one that I have heard about (or perhaps buyers are ashamed to admit they paid that much )

Cheers,
Gerry