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Actual inventory check for MB parts online?

Duh_Vinci

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Cheers all!

Is there a good online place with out having the actual account one can check if the actual MB part is still available vs NLA?

For example, the lower harness for 1995 R129, 129-540-26-30 early this year, my local dealer said this parts NLA, out of production and will not be available anymore...

Magically, I now see these harnesses listed on ebay and even ECS does not list it as NLA?

Thanks in advance!

Regards,
D
 
There is no way for a non-MB employee to actually check US or worldwide inventory of any part, other than speaking with an MB employee (say a local dealership parts guy, or Tom Hanson at the Classic Center) and getting an update from them.

MB uses a system internally called "Paragon" that shows parts availability, status, pricing, and inventory levels globally. Unfortunately, civilians do not have access to Paragon.

The best we can do is to approximate whether a part is available, and its current list price. This is done with three distinct systems, working in tandem.

The first system is the EPC (now ISPPI, or as I call it "the Pee-Pee"). This is the electronic parts catalog, and provides the most up to date information on part numbers, supercessions, and other relevant data such as parts diagrams, part searches, part applications (across various chassis and uses), and data cards for cars. The ISPPI does not give any information about the availability of the part from MB. The ISPPI/EPC is generally very accurate, but errors have been identified and do exist. It is updated daily, but sometimes lags in terms of supercessions of parts and such by days, weeks, and occasionally even months.

The second system is the MB Classic Parts site, which is located here. This system is run by MB, and is good and generally up to date at determining whether a part is currently avaialble from MB, and in some cases whether or not if out of stock, it is slated for future production (although this function is suspect). Generally the MB Classic Parts site is up to date and is current within days, or a week or two at the most, if a part goes NLA.

The third system is the Revolution Parts sites (such as MB Naperville, MB Annapolis, Husker MB, or other MB dealers sites). These sites provide the current pricing information as far as the MB list price (and a discount that varies depending on the dealer's online sales policies and pricing). This is useful for determining the current MBUSA list price for any particular part. Sometimes, sites like AutohauZ also provide MB list price info if you look up parts there.

A couple of things though: The RevParts sites can be a few days or a week or so out of date, meaning that if there is a price change, it can take days or a week to be reflected in the RevParts catalog. Sometimes when a part goes NLA, it is NEVER reflected in the RevParts catalog. Second, is that the RevParts sites provide very crappy and inaccurate and pretty much non-useful parts diagrams. DO NOT EVER USE REVPARTS SITES FOR MB PARTS DIAGRAMS -- ONLY ONLY ONLY USE THE EPC and/or ISPPI FOR PARTS DIAGRAMS. Far too many people on this site -- many of whom should know better -- are lazy and use these RevParts diagrams, and end up ordering wrong parts, or cannot find the parts they need.
 
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Is there a good online place with out having the actual account one can check if the actual MB part is still available vs NLA?
As Gerry described above, this is not possible. Only a Mercedes/dealer employee can access Paragon to check inventory. Even then, the information provided will vary based on the person you talk to... some may see no stock in USA and imply "NLA", when that is not necessarily accurate. It's complicated and requires the person to check worldwide inventory and also check for codes which clearly state permanent NLA.


For example, the lower harness for 1995 R129, 129-540-26-30 early this year, my local dealer said this parts NLA, out of production and will not be available anymore... Magically, I now see these harnesses listed on ebay and even ECS does not list it as NLA?
This depends on the eBay seller. There could be a couple of leftover NLA parts on someone's shelf, actually available. Far more likely is they are listing stuff they don't actually have, especially if the seller appears to be either a dealer or a parts vendors with thousands of listings. Don't get too excited if you find stuff on eBay unless it's a private seller with photos of the actual item for sale.

:jelmerian2:
 
As Gerry described above, this is not possible. Only a Mercedes/dealer employee can access Paragon to check inventory. Even then, the information provided will vary based on the person you talk to... some may see no stock in USA and imply "NLA", when that is not necessarily accurate. It's complicated and requires the person to check worldwide inventory and also check for codes which clearly state permanent NLA.



This depends on the eBay seller. There could be a couple of leftover NLA parts on someone's shelf, actually available. Far more likely is they are listing stuff they don't actually have, especially if the seller appears to be either a dealer or a parts vendors with thousands of listings. Don't get too excited if you find stuff on eBay unless it's a private seller with photos of the actual item for sale.

:jelmerian2:
Many sites like ECS don't update their catalogs, particularly when parts go NLA, and thus when you try to order something, they go to MB to get it (and resell it to you) and end up cancelling your order (or that part from your order). There are very very very few mail-order businesses that actually maintain signficant stocks of MB factory parts, and thus that would actually have a parts that is NLA from MB, in stock. It's far too expensive for them to carry this type of inventory that doesn't move very much, as opposed to taking the order, taking the day or two to get the part from MB, and then shippnig it to you.

I have seen a couple of companies that DO maintain some inventory of esoteric stuff, and/or parts that they have in their stock after they go NLA from MB. THese vendors include Partscontainer (on eBay) and eEuroparts.com (which the @IslandMon notes has the NLA V-8 W124 front differential rubber mounts currently in stock, though I'm sure that @nocfn has already cleaned out their stock for his personal stash). I got several parts from Partscontainer via eBay for my Top-End Rebuild this summer, that have been NLA for some time from MB. No guarantees that they will still have this stuff in stock.
 
If you use those three systems I mentioned above, together and appropriately, you can get a very good idea as to the current availability, pricing, applications and status of any given part. It's not foolproof, as you won't know exact inventory levels, but generally it will suffice.

I had a situation recently where I wanted to get a pair of the W124 "late" front lower control arms for the suspension. Literally the same week that I was looking for them, MB marked them as "No longer available". My local dealer parts guy confirmed this, and added that there was a code in the system that this was a PERMANENT NLA and these would not be going back into production commissioned by MB.

My local dealer also told me, looking at his Paragon inventory system, that there was ONLY ONE NEW FRONT LCA of the part number I wanted located in the ENTIRE WORLD. And this LCA just happened to be at MB of Arlington, VA, about a 65 mile drive from my house.

I called the dealership at MB Arlington IMMEDIATELY and had the parts manager pull the LCA, put it aside, and told him I'd be there in an hour to buy it. And I burned up US-50 and the Washington DC Beltway as fast as I could to get that LCA into my possession.
 
Thank you gentlemen for the info, much appreciated!

I swear, few years back I had a link, it was a site yellow/blue/gray appearance visually where the part numbers can be plugged it. My mistake certainly can not be excluded, just wishful thinking!

The second system is the MB Classic Parts site, which is located here. This system is run by MB, and is good and generally up to date at determining whether a part is currently avaialble from MB, and in some cases whether or not if out of stock, it is slated for future production (although this function is suspect). Generally the MB Classic Parts site is up to date and is current within days, or a week or two at the most, if a part goes NLA.

This one - thank you! Mercedes-Benz Classic: Classics, festivals and milestones. is where I thought it was, but couldn't figure out how to search... Now I know it's meta_title !!! Thank you, that helps a great deal!

This depends on the eBay seller. There could be a couple of leftover NLA parts on someone's shelf, actually available. Far more likely is they are listing stuff they don't actually have, especially if the seller appears to be either a dealer or a parts vendors with thousands of listings. Don't get too excited if you find stuff on eBay unless it's a private seller with photos of the actual item for sale.
One can hope, right?

It's just that my lower harness is finally failing. Occasional erratic oil pressure, looked the harness, barely touched it and pieces if insulation just started to crumble. I knew it would happen eventually... So just wanted to plug in that harness number again, 6 months ago there was nothing, now few from EU listing it, and ECS... I know I can rebuild it, but if I can get it from Naperville for $180 I'd rather just get it and call it a day (and rebuild the original for spare)

Anywho, cheers to both, and thank you for the info!!

Regards,
D
 
I might just add that after spending the last 30 years or so buying MB parts for 113s and 107s that when they say "NLA", it sometimes
is not forever. Some things like soft interior pieces don't come back but hard parts I've seen reappear mysteriously...
 
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Dave, in your post, that is the site I was talking about with grey/blue/yellow appearance (glad I'm not going nuts)

mbcc_germany_harness-jpg.jpg

So it was MB Classic Parts, the look is different now!
I might just add that after spending the last 30 years or so buying MB parts for 113s and 107s that when they say "NLA", it sometimes
is not forever. Some things like soft interior pieces don't come back but hard parts I've seen reappear mysteriously...
Sometime that "mystery" is certainly welcome!

Regards,
D
 
DV....I had Jono rebuild my lower harness. Can't remember if it was for a 400E or 500E? But ithe harness came back better than new. So you might hit up Jono.
 
Not to throw shade, but I would also suggest checking the Classic Parts look up first, before calling the Classic Center. I say that because when I was restoring my former 220SEb I was told by an MB employee at the Classic Center that "there was no way" a part I wanted was still around and in stock. What they didn't know was that I not only verified there was stock, but that there were many, many pieces still available because my very competent dealer parts people had looked it up. I only called the Classic Center because there were two variants of the part and I needed to have them decipher my VIN to determine which one was correct since my dealer folks couldn't tell from the information they had.

Be skeptical and verify. I never, ever use a Rev Parts site for validating the availability of a part. I only believe it when my dealer or the Classic Parts lookups say so.

Dan
 

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