I just got an email from NIIBE Satoshi in Tokyo
He has been searching the forum and made an effort to contact me direct and i would like to share this with you all as it is very interesting how serious they are in pushing the limits with these engines
I am hoping we can tap into their world and all learn from each other buy sharing idea's
Dear Mr. Hoff,
I am also doing in Japan for M119 hot rodding.
Currently I am living and doing business in China. so difficult to access BBS cause of Chinese shield.
But still water running deap.
I am very glad to hear your information.
I am sorry there were only a few serious rodder for M119 in this planet, but I believe that
there should be a guy who are doing.
by the way, Now I am preparing electric water pump like you.
And ATI power Dumper hub making for M119.
I have also build my motor 100.0mm X 94.8 stroker with custom connecting rod instead old AMG6.0.
In this winter season,
I am also preparing for M800 computer installment. I am wondering to try M1 but my first step
is conventional M800.
I had also done and have little experience of haltec for KE CONTROLED M119 before.
If you would need any question or searching information.
Please do not hesitate to ask me by PM.
(I have undesrtand that you do not need. because you also have great experience )
Hope your project will fine!
NIIBE Satoshi,
niibes@nifty.com
http://mercedesbenznetcom.blog81.fc2.com/
I have tried to translate from the blog in the link so it is a bit rough but here we go-
Challenge, I leave written in the memorandum.
That of thermal management, although I wrote earlier,
500E of water temperature (2009/5, is before another five years or more)
At present, finally, it became to a level that can ride with confidence in the middle of summer in 6 liter.
Now that I wrote here, finally the 18th of electric WP, we are doing.
To realize a "want to decent a powerless 500E" is
Not only friction reduction, there is a need to issue further power.
Then, of course, because the amount of heat generated will increase, in fact, still, cooling system can not be neglected.
So, it is summarized that it should be, first, the following 7 + one. 6 + 1 + is even more 1.
Human, When you export a thing to be, is what get to organize in the head.
1. Please refer to the control system description of past Summary archive.
① ignition timing me you to be advanced to the top dead center 35 ° around the maximum MBT.
② In order to increase the amount of fuel, large capacity injectors to be able to control the (current 2 premium in LH is MAX,).
③ by increasing the reaction rate of the CPU, and to allow the individual cylinder control in 6000 than in high rotation) And
④ to EZL abolished, cylinder ignition, no Distributor
⑤ electric fuel pump control, rather than a transistor relay of FET, quiet in the PWM control, return fuel temperature also decreased.
⑥ fuel pressure, fuel temperature also want to feedback is monitored.
Parable of genuine CP adults and children Furukon There will, but Furukon that can be recent direct injection also control
It is wise to ECU par of current genuine. Is CAN communication support.
Almost impossible position and the move from zero is cleverness.
2. Rotation system
① ATI damper pulley - mounting, hub production → pulley - and because remove also water pump to remove,
Can you work together?
In this, also to Mawaseru high rotation so reduced vibration, friction also will go through, I to good for metal
3. Cooling system
Cooling system past archive reference
① electric water pump. PWM control in Samoresu, reduction of drive loss, reduction of cold shock.
Torque reduction of the low-speed range of 5③ here to some extent, or compensate?
② electric fan PWM control
Finally, it is electric WP described above. The Furukon if you can accept PWM control.
4. Valve system
① is not cam production → rush to kill and profile also changed unless
② spring and retainer Well this is not so much important
③ killing HLA, if a solid, it becomes lighter, the better also valve adhesion
5. Intake system
① because change → location of the air flow position air around the air flow is disturbed in the throttle just before,
Before the air cleaner, 1/2 control Kana in right bank?
② expansion of the throttle bore, this is a step modification The pre, I Biggusuro's also possible
③ quit the intake manifold of the 270 ° turn → independent throttle. I intake pipe shorter, first maximum peak power.
Than loss you can not use optimal pulsation inertia intake, towards the intake resistance reduction fall on straight is may be a top.
6. Exhaust system
① variable exhaust valve
Reduction of the intake-side low-speed torque of 5③, either compensate with variable exhaust pipe of the exhaust side?
It seems to have been this year of the boom of the narrow, also a place of Mr. Minaguchi, for 500E, it seems to have variable exhaust complete.
Well, if you try to write
After all, here 20 most advanced upgrade of computer parts in the year does not let still essential.
In 8-bit Z80 of CPU, there is also a limit of clock speed, would be the upper limit is 6000 rpm and that's eight-cylinder.
So in LH, can not control rather than each cylinder, is a group injection.
Even futzing Lom in the current situation, in the genuine computer, 2 premium weight loss, because the place is good valve opening time control,
When have large injector will be under difficult adjustment.
Vacuum, and also trying to correction at high fuel pressure, it is a little painful.
So, it is is the next step,
7. Internal engine
① made Aru and ERP piston, and Kuminaoshi in connecting rod
② to stop domestic Arushirumekki + iron coat processing became difficult, Nikajiru
The other, and those fast, and from put 6-liter engine, It is 10 years next year,
In the AMG engine and I have 100,000 km ride super,
Because it is good timing we are preparing for the new engine.
And, work up to these seven, because goal that put the peak power,
Naturally narrow torque band, but the mountain is high, also increases the valley of torque,
There is also a part of makes sense alignment to adjust it. Because it is,
This rotation, torque band, peak power, to capitalize the,
Multistage of transmission, the efficiency will be asked.
This is 8 speed transmission and drive system
It will,
So from reading the rough google translation-
It appears this is going to be an existing M119 6litre that is being stripped down for a serious engine rebuild project starting now with a total upgrade to a standalone ECU engine mangement system
I will try to see if we can get Niibes posting into this forum as well to follow his progress with much interest
Cheers Kim
He has been searching the forum and made an effort to contact me direct and i would like to share this with you all as it is very interesting how serious they are in pushing the limits with these engines
I am hoping we can tap into their world and all learn from each other buy sharing idea's
Dear Mr. Hoff,
I am also doing in Japan for M119 hot rodding.
Currently I am living and doing business in China. so difficult to access BBS cause of Chinese shield.
But still water running deap.
I am very glad to hear your information.
I am sorry there were only a few serious rodder for M119 in this planet, but I believe that
there should be a guy who are doing.
by the way, Now I am preparing electric water pump like you.
And ATI power Dumper hub making for M119.
I have also build my motor 100.0mm X 94.8 stroker with custom connecting rod instead old AMG6.0.
In this winter season,
I am also preparing for M800 computer installment. I am wondering to try M1 but my first step
is conventional M800.
I had also done and have little experience of haltec for KE CONTROLED M119 before.
If you would need any question or searching information.
Please do not hesitate to ask me by PM.
(I have undesrtand that you do not need. because you also have great experience )
Hope your project will fine!
NIIBE Satoshi,
niibes@nifty.com
http://mercedesbenznetcom.blog81.fc2.com/
I have tried to translate from the blog in the link so it is a bit rough but here we go-
Challenge, I leave written in the memorandum.
That of thermal management, although I wrote earlier,
500E of water temperature (2009/5, is before another five years or more)
At present, finally, it became to a level that can ride with confidence in the middle of summer in 6 liter.
Now that I wrote here, finally the 18th of electric WP, we are doing.
To realize a "want to decent a powerless 500E" is
Not only friction reduction, there is a need to issue further power.
Then, of course, because the amount of heat generated will increase, in fact, still, cooling system can not be neglected.
So, it is summarized that it should be, first, the following 7 + one. 6 + 1 + is even more 1.
Human, When you export a thing to be, is what get to organize in the head.
1. Please refer to the control system description of past Summary archive.
① ignition timing me you to be advanced to the top dead center 35 ° around the maximum MBT.
② In order to increase the amount of fuel, large capacity injectors to be able to control the (current 2 premium in LH is MAX,).
③ by increasing the reaction rate of the CPU, and to allow the individual cylinder control in 6000 than in high rotation) And
④ to EZL abolished, cylinder ignition, no Distributor
⑤ electric fuel pump control, rather than a transistor relay of FET, quiet in the PWM control, return fuel temperature also decreased.
⑥ fuel pressure, fuel temperature also want to feedback is monitored.
Parable of genuine CP adults and children Furukon There will, but Furukon that can be recent direct injection also control
It is wise to ECU par of current genuine. Is CAN communication support.
Almost impossible position and the move from zero is cleverness.
2. Rotation system
① ATI damper pulley - mounting, hub production → pulley - and because remove also water pump to remove,
Can you work together?
In this, also to Mawaseru high rotation so reduced vibration, friction also will go through, I to good for metal
3. Cooling system
Cooling system past archive reference
① electric water pump. PWM control in Samoresu, reduction of drive loss, reduction of cold shock.
Torque reduction of the low-speed range of 5③ here to some extent, or compensate?
② electric fan PWM control
Finally, it is electric WP described above. The Furukon if you can accept PWM control.
4. Valve system
① is not cam production → rush to kill and profile also changed unless
② spring and retainer Well this is not so much important
③ killing HLA, if a solid, it becomes lighter, the better also valve adhesion
5. Intake system
① because change → location of the air flow position air around the air flow is disturbed in the throttle just before,
Before the air cleaner, 1/2 control Kana in right bank?
② expansion of the throttle bore, this is a step modification The pre, I Biggusuro's also possible
③ quit the intake manifold of the 270 ° turn → independent throttle. I intake pipe shorter, first maximum peak power.
Than loss you can not use optimal pulsation inertia intake, towards the intake resistance reduction fall on straight is may be a top.
6. Exhaust system
① variable exhaust valve
Reduction of the intake-side low-speed torque of 5③, either compensate with variable exhaust pipe of the exhaust side?
It seems to have been this year of the boom of the narrow, also a place of Mr. Minaguchi, for 500E, it seems to have variable exhaust complete.
Well, if you try to write
After all, here 20 most advanced upgrade of computer parts in the year does not let still essential.
In 8-bit Z80 of CPU, there is also a limit of clock speed, would be the upper limit is 6000 rpm and that's eight-cylinder.
So in LH, can not control rather than each cylinder, is a group injection.
Even futzing Lom in the current situation, in the genuine computer, 2 premium weight loss, because the place is good valve opening time control,
When have large injector will be under difficult adjustment.
Vacuum, and also trying to correction at high fuel pressure, it is a little painful.
So, it is is the next step,
7. Internal engine
① made Aru and ERP piston, and Kuminaoshi in connecting rod
② to stop domestic Arushirumekki + iron coat processing became difficult, Nikajiru
The other, and those fast, and from put 6-liter engine, It is 10 years next year,
In the AMG engine and I have 100,000 km ride super,
Because it is good timing we are preparing for the new engine.
And, work up to these seven, because goal that put the peak power,
Naturally narrow torque band, but the mountain is high, also increases the valley of torque,
There is also a part of makes sense alignment to adjust it. Because it is,
This rotation, torque band, peak power, to capitalize the,
Multistage of transmission, the efficiency will be asked.
This is 8 speed transmission and drive system
It will,
So from reading the rough google translation-
It appears this is going to be an existing M119 6litre that is being stripped down for a serious engine rebuild project starting now with a total upgrade to a standalone ECU engine mangement system
I will try to see if we can get Niibes posting into this forum as well to follow his progress with much interest
Cheers Kim
