That's about the worst dreaded dot disease that I've seen on a cluster. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the vehicle.
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Contemplating the Cabriolets
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That's about the worst dreaded dot disease that I've seen on a cluster. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the vehicle.
I never knew the name for that! Dreaded Dot Disease, or DDD for short. Awesome. Seems really common on Florida cars for some reason.
It just sold for 15K, which considering its flaws was a fair if not on the low end price IMO. Seller seemed to be very transparent, color is not for everyone but it was clean and in good condition.
Nearly $16K for an early cab with a dirty Carfax is crazy money, IMO. Absolutely crazy.
There a stack of superior examples in this thread for similar or lower money.
Cars on BaT should be selling below market, due to the sight-unseen, auction format, certainly not above it.
There a stack of superior examples in this thread for similar or lower money.
Cars on BaT should be selling below market, due to the sight-unseen, auction format, certainly not above it.
Nobody talks about the crack epidemic anymore...
Seller posted a grand total of three (3) pics. And the auction description isn't.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-SL-600/183218186413
Seller posted a grand total of three (3) pics. And the auction description isn't.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-SL-600/183218186413
2001 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 600
Mercedes Benz SL 600! Definitely a collectors item! In immaculate condition!
Only 14,000 original miles!
The top has the option for the hard top as well.
Convertible top works great with no issues!
Mercedes Benz SL 600! Definitely a collectors item! In immaculate condition!
Only 14,000 original miles!
The top has the option for the hard top as well.
Convertible top works great with no issues!
Well, with that solid of a feedback reputation, I guess you only need 3 pictures! and 4 sentences!
https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=andi_wilson
Oh, wait, the 3 feedbacks were as a buyer! Not a seller! Needs more exclamation points!
https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=andi_wilson
Oh, wait, the 3 feedbacks were as a buyer! Not a seller! Needs more exclamation points!
I’m sold. Although, I wouldn’t even THINK of paying anything less than 10k per word...
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I think this thread has been entirely devoid of an R197.
The color combo on this one is sublime. Alubeam Silver over Porcelain.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Mercedes-Benz-SLS-AMG-SLS/112989481594
Too bad the seller of this six figure roadster is apparently skill-free when it comes to taking even one decent pic...
I've driven the coupe in anger on the track. It's a decent tool for the task. The roadster is likely a vastly different experience.
The values of the two versions seem to be headed in opposite directions.
Is there a floor in sight for the roadsters?
The color combo on this one is sublime. Alubeam Silver over Porcelain.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Mercedes-Benz-SLS-AMG-SLS/112989481594
Too bad the seller of this six figure roadster is apparently skill-free when it comes to taking even one decent pic...
I've driven the coupe in anger on the track. It's a decent tool for the task. The roadster is likely a vastly different experience.
The values of the two versions seem to be headed in opposite directions.
Is there a floor in sight for the roadsters?
Another one.
Alubeam Silver over Red. With a red top.
Not feeling that color combo as much as the earlier example.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SLS-AMG-Base-2dr-Convertible/273210111379
Heavily optioned, this one stickered at $236K. Might sell for exactly half that. Doesn't feel like the market is treating these as anything more than a typical AMG.
The Asks for the coupes seem to be clustered in the $150-175K range. They sold new for less than the roadsters.
Alubeam Silver over Red. With a red top.
Not feeling that color combo as much as the earlier example.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SLS-AMG-Base-2dr-Convertible/273210111379
Heavily optioned, this one stickered at $236K. Might sell for exactly half that. Doesn't feel like the market is treating these as anything more than a typical AMG.
The Asks for the coupes seem to be clustered in the $150-175K range. They sold new for less than the roadsters.
Now listed with a BIN of $12000 or Best Offer
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Mercedes-Benz-E-Class/273180292748
SLS shows up on BaT
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-mercedes-benz-sls-12/
The selling dealer has it on their website for $140K.
I see no chance of this making reserve.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2012-mercedes-benz-sls-12/
The selling dealer has it on their website for $140K.
I see no chance of this making reserve.
Sick cars for the money. Anyone buying Porsche air cooled turbos over these are complete sheep... of the type that has the Dow trading at over 24k.
IJS... IMO
maw
But will these continue to depreciate?
My thought is that typical AMGs floor at 20-30% of sticker, or thereabouts, if kept in tip-top condition. The market is already treating these quite differently than their gull wing siblings.
98 SL600 - New listing on Autotrader this morning, Silver / Black, 60Kmi, $10.5K
Other than the chromed Monkar OEM wheels, this one looks like a worthy prospect.
At $10.5K asking, I don't expect it will be on the market very long, it certainly is flipper bait.
With a satisfactory PPI, Carfax, and a nice set of wheels, this could be quite the bargain.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for...ml?listingId=485388771&LNX=MYATCALERTSEMLSRCH
Other than the chromed Monkar OEM wheels, this one looks like a worthy prospect.
At $10.5K asking, I don't expect it will be on the market very long, it certainly is flipper bait.
With a satisfactory PPI, Carfax, and a nice set of wheels, this could be quite the bargain.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for...ml?listingId=485388771&LNX=MYATCALERTSEMLSRCH
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My view is there’s room for all of it to fall, because the “free money Fed” has all of these “asset” classes priced too high. So while I would buy these over air cooled turbos, I’d buy neither now. I like to buy when everyone else is selling. So for now, I’m buying nothing.
maw
I have a standing SL600 search on autotrader, and this one came up for me as well. I think this one and the Smoke Silver car are good numbers for the car. The $25k ones I think are nonsense. The only way the car can live up to that price is to appreciate, which is not a gamble I like.
But maybe that’s just me.
maw
Anyone here have Mecum access? This ran this weekend at Indianapolis.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0518-325821/1995-mercedes-benz-e320-convertible/
maw
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0518-325821/1995-mercedes-benz-e320-convertible/
maw
No sale @ $9500.
I logged quite a few hours of the televised auctions. IMO, on the modern/semi-modern imports, the bidders knew what they were doing. I was nodding in agreement most of the time.
I don't think it was televised, and the published listing info was pathetic.
It went across midway through on Tuesday.
I know next to nothing domestics and/or anything pre 1980s. So that excludes having an opinion on a huge portion of their listings.
I didn't see very much irrational exuberance on the buy side. And since I'm on the Buy side currently, I liked what I saw.
Generally speaking I'm probably not as bearish as you are, but current pricing levels are keeping me away from quite a few cars as we stand today.
At the top of that subset of my want list is the Porsche 993 and the 124.036.
My interests are skewing a bit toward the A124, the R129 and the W/C140.
Are you actively searching for an A124?
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No, I just happened to spot the car in the lot at Mecum, and knew people here were interested. Yes, 993s, E5Es, and generally any and all things Porsche are at the top of the valuation pile these days. Everything else seems a bit soft to me sales wise (of very late, say 2018), although asking prices everywhere have been, well, irrationally exuberant IMO. Seems a lot of people are keeping “for sale” cars at these asks, which is why Mecum would be of interest. No sale at $9500 falls right in line, assuming they don’t take junkers and rolling parts cars.
maw
PS. Part of the problem is the E46M ... http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=309081&page=175 What $10k-$15k buys you there in terms of driving fun... But I understand the 124-chassis love, and looking at a A124 in lieu of an E5E. My 500E and E46M is how I scratched my 124-Chassis / Porsche / Convertible itch, with the E46M solving 90%-95% of my convertible / Porsche issues and the E5E obviously...
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Regarding itches... concurrent with my .036 search is the pursuit of an E34 M5. I have (much) more desire for the 124, but that M5 gen with the turbine wheels holds a special place in my then-developing automotive desires. Finding a nice example is virtually impossible, but if one comes up, it will take the slot reserved for a 500.
Now on to Today's Fresh Catch... it's Sunday night, and we all know that's when car postings pick up. Here's what I've found so far:
A study in contrasting R129 M120s:
A 600 Silver Arrow!
https://www.mbca.org/classified-ad/2002-SL-600-Silver-Arrow-7352892
In my mind, the miles don't mesh with the Ask.
40,000 and $46,000
No mention of Pano roof.
Then this one just came up on eBay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Mercedes-Benz-600-Series-Convertible-2-seat/153029162565
$11,250 OBO with 62K miles. Clean Autocheck report.
And a 300CE
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Cabriolet/362325475037
Seller mentions a blemish or two. But the interior looks very clean
Opening bid of $11000. No Reserve. I'd bet an offer at or near that open would take it.
69K miles, clean Autocheck report.
Now on to Today's Fresh Catch... it's Sunday night, and we all know that's when car postings pick up. Here's what I've found so far:
A study in contrasting R129 M120s:
A 600 Silver Arrow!
https://www.mbca.org/classified-ad/2002-SL-600-Silver-Arrow-7352892
In my mind, the miles don't mesh with the Ask.
40,000 and $46,000
No mention of Pano roof.
Then this one just came up on eBay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Mercedes-Benz-600-Series-Convertible-2-seat/153029162565
$11,250 OBO with 62K miles. Clean Autocheck report.
And a 300CE
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Cabriolet/362325475037
Seller mentions a blemish or two. But the interior looks very clean
Opening bid of $11000. No Reserve. I'd bet an offer at or near that open would take it.
69K miles, clean Autocheck report.
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Agreed. That Avis Blue E34, 1 of 25 for North America IIRC was the one that had me open. Complete and utter unobtanium. See here... http://s45.photobucket.com/user/connorb850/slideshow/93 M5?sort=3
I was in my mid to late 20s when I discovered those, these, the Dinan Twin Turbo 7s, the Ronin S8s, the E36Ms, the 540i MTouring (one on BaT now), the W210 E55s... those were the days.
The 4-Speed R129 600s are close enough in driving experience to the E5Es that I only look at them with the .6 electronic 5-Speed transmission. And even then, I think the E5E has it in dynamically lighter fitment, plus then (.6 R129 600s) we’re in Porsche 928 GT or GTS range and a more usable rear seat and trunk.
$40k for a Silver Arrow 600? Give me a $15k E46M and a $25k E5E, give or take a few grand each way, and I’ll have my fun, lightweight Cabrio for the twisties AND a collectible W124 on R129 running gear. That’s essentially where I ended up, except my E5E was under $15k and the E46M Cabrio was $25k. Whatever the R129 cars may do in appreciation, the E5E already has and will likely continue.
Happy Hunting,
maw
I was in my mid to late 20s when I discovered those, these, the Dinan Twin Turbo 7s, the Ronin S8s, the E36Ms, the 540i MTouring (one on BaT now), the W210 E55s... those were the days.
The 4-Speed R129 600s are close enough in driving experience to the E5Es that I only look at them with the .6 electronic 5-Speed transmission. And even then, I think the E5E has it in dynamically lighter fitment, plus then (.6 R129 600s) we’re in Porsche 928 GT or GTS range and a more usable rear seat and trunk.
$40k for a Silver Arrow 600? Give me a $15k E46M and a $25k E5E, give or take a few grand each way, and I’ll have my fun, lightweight Cabrio for the twisties AND a collectible W124 on R129 running gear. That’s essentially where I ended up, except my E5E was under $15k and the E46M Cabrio was $25k. Whatever the R129 cars may do in appreciation, the E5E already has and will likely continue.
Happy Hunting,
maw
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98 SL500 Sport on BAT - 12Kmi, $14,750 with 2 days to go
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1998-mercedes-benz-sl500-11/
Brilliant Silver & Grey Int., nice looking, no records
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1998-mercedes-benz-sl500-11/
Brilliant Silver & Grey Int., nice looking, no records
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Pure, unadulterated, batshyte crazy, crack pipery from BaT:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-mercedes-benz-e320-cabriolet-15/
[h=1]64K-Mile 1995 Mercedes-Benz E320 Cabriolet[/h]
One bid. $15,000.
I don't care if this is the only bid, it's above the market. And there's no info re: HG, harnesses. A/C. Existing electrical issues are disclosed.
Cosmetic condition and CA/AZ life are plusses, but wow, just wow.
Oh, and the dealer/seller is tacking on a garbage fee of $88.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-mercedes-benz-e320-cabriolet-15/
[h=1]64K-Mile 1995 Mercedes-Benz E320 Cabriolet[/h]
One bid. $15,000.
I don't care if this is the only bid, it's above the market. And there's no info re: HG, harnesses. A/C. Existing electrical issues are disclosed.
Cosmetic condition and CA/AZ life are plusses, but wow, just wow.
Oh, and the dealer/seller is tacking on a garbage fee of $88.
I came across a couple E5E owners while I was looking for mine, who also owned these 124-Cabriolet cars. Needless to say, the cabs were not for sale. I’m with GVZ, these are $15k cars all day, presuming reasonable miles and open checkbook maintenance. ACE’s comment is well taken however, [but actually read the listing and the Carfax]. I’ve been quietly looking for one for my mom (lest my 500E be sacrificed to quench her W124 thirst), and the ones I’ve targeted haven’t yet come up for sale (similar miles, open checkbook maintenance) for less than $20k.
maw
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Nearly $16K without knowing the first thing about that car, other than the miles and the top hydraulics have been addressed?
ACE...?
"The car was leased new in California in December 1996 for three years, then purchased off lease in late 1999 by an Arizona dealer who sold the car to its second Southern California owner in early 2000. After 18 years, the second owner traded this car in to the selling dealer toward a Bentley Continental GTC in 2017, and the odometer now shows 63,948 miles."
That, plus the carfax showing (1) the was driven less than 2k miles per year for 18 years; and (2) religiously serviced, is all I would need to know. That's evidence of open checkbook maintenance to me.
maw
PS I hadn't read the listing before my last comment. Now that I've looked at it, that's a $20k car all day long to me.
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Is there a reserve on these BAT auctions?Pure, unadulterated, batshyte crazy, crack pipery from BaT:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-mercedes-benz-e320-cabriolet-15/
[h=1]64K-Mile 1995 Mercedes-Benz E320 Cabriolet[/h]
One bid. $15,000.
I don't care if this is the only bid, it's above the market. And there's no info re: HG, harnesses. A/C. Existing electrical issues are disclosed.
Cosmetic condition and CA/AZ life are plusses, but wow, just wow.
Oh, and the dealer/seller is tacking on a garbage fee of $88.
Also, I saw this in the comment "[FONT="]missing the pax side sun visor ". Can someone please let me know what that is.[/FONT]
This 1995 A124 is going to get bid up well beyond the current $15K bid ... it's got 6 days left. I think it may hit $20K and even go a bit north of that.
I was seriously looking at -- and almost pulled the pin on -- two different A124s a couple of years ago. One in CA (smoke silver) and one in Texas (red). Both were comparable to this car, quite stunning, similar miles, and same $15K (give or take 1K or so) ballpark. My divorce & associated costs got in the way of that.
A perfect cab in today's market is in the low $20s. It's only going to go up. These cars are what the E500E was about 5-7 years ago.
My opinion is that because it has a drop top and two doors, the eventual appreciation will be quite high if one is willing to hang onto it long enough. Fortunately there are a fair number of nice ones still out there. The facelift models with the 104 engine are preferred, of course.
As I've said many times, one of the best buys in young-timer MBs right now, along with good R129s. In five years, you guys are going to be weeping when you see the appreciation curve and where they are at then.
Since this car is in Encinitas, Glen can probably hit it with a rock thrown from his house. Perhaps he can go look at it.
I was seriously looking at -- and almost pulled the pin on -- two different A124s a couple of years ago. One in CA (smoke silver) and one in Texas (red). Both were comparable to this car, quite stunning, similar miles, and same $15K (give or take 1K or so) ballpark. My divorce & associated costs got in the way of that.
A perfect cab in today's market is in the low $20s. It's only going to go up. These cars are what the E500E was about 5-7 years ago.
My opinion is that because it has a drop top and two doors, the eventual appreciation will be quite high if one is willing to hang onto it long enough. Fortunately there are a fair number of nice ones still out there. The facelift models with the 104 engine are preferred, of course.
As I've said many times, one of the best buys in young-timer MBs right now, along with good R129s. In five years, you guys are going to be weeping when you see the appreciation curve and where they are at then.
Since this car is in Encinitas, Glen can probably hit it with a rock thrown from his house. Perhaps he can go look at it.
If Glen hits it with a rock, the BaT price may be suppressed a bit (I like the way you think Gerry!)
Robert
Full disclsoure: I own a low mileage 1995 cab that I plan to sell shortly. I agree with Gerry this car should hit close to if not 20, full service history and a rarer color combo. Nonfunctional presenters are a negative and I think the visor is NLA. There is an aftermarket electrical device (look at the picture of the battery), the chrome wheels are a big negative to me but others may like them. At some point the BAT commenters will point out no undercarriage pictures and the lack of a radio which makes the power antenna inop. They will ask about the harness and someone will point out that not all fail. To be precise there are three, engine, positive and throttle actuator but most focus on the first one.The CD changer in the trunk is not factory. But it's clean, seats are in good condition. Personally I don't like the cupholders in the door panels but that's me. And the after market speakers in the triangle piece inside of the side mirrors.
And it's missing the piece that holds the harness to the inner firewall (I think only Gerry and I look for that).
The R107 market seems to be getting the love these days but the good A124 will do well.
And it's missing the piece that holds the harness to the inner firewall (I think only Gerry and I look for that).
The R107 market seems to be getting the love these days but the good A124 will do well.
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Damn good pieces to have (that inner firewall piece) for M104 owners with the 124 chassis. No need for such beast with the G-wagen, thankfully.
R107s are meh. I'd MUCH rather have a nicely sorted A124 than an R107. They drive like the 1960s-designed cars that they are.
I saw in another picture the piece is there just not properly inserted. I had to replace my inner firewall piece, MB calls it a covering.
Interesting car. 17,299 miles for $14,995.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-Merce...ash=item25f7adfd15:g:NYcAAOSwTFhbDFWH&vxp=mtr
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-Merce...ash=item25f7adfd15:g:NYcAAOSwTFhbDFWH&vxp=mtr
Here is V12 with pano and sport package in CA https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/d/1999-mercedes-benz-600sl/6605957161.html
Regards,
D
Regards,
D
Seriously. If this car was anywhere near me I'd be running to it.
Agree 100% If someone is considering R129 V12 at a reasonable price, with ALL the bells factory offered - this would be the one to start with. And I like the subtle look of non-contrasty soft top...
Regards,
D
There is another cab on BAT, not a bad carhttps://bringatrailer.com/listing/1993-mercedes-benz-300ce-8/
However this comment is from deep deep left field:
Author: 93AMGA126Cab
However this comment is from deep deep left field:
Author: 93AMGA126Cab
If any are purchased for 12K or less, essentially they are parts car. And there are many many hidden reasons for that rationale. If everyone actually researches these cars; how they came to be, were built and how they came to market will frighten even an avid Edsel owner. Daimler disassociates themselves from the car. Most languished on the distributors lots until bought back by MBUSA(Daimler) and resold at deep discounts to the Far East markets. They were eventually sold as retitled 96 and 97s.
There were 12600+/- sold of e220s and E320s worldwide. Only 112 were true factory Sportlines and 67 E36s
Many unknown numbers(perhaps 18 to 2 dozen were ordered a la cart with post-production modifications requested by either Daimler legacy customers, or anyone else for that matter, who knew the right people then at Daimler, or had enough $$$ to make the wishes happen. Modified cars; either through Daimler or AMG, came with the condition the vehicles were returned to Daimler and not simply traded back in at any distributor. Hence most never left Europe or simply ‘disappeared’.
If you truly love these last true hand-built Mercedes cabriolets then this all is irrelevant to you. You are a caretaker as a curator is of fine art.
There were 12600+/- sold of e220s and E320s worldwide. Only 112 were true factory Sportlines and 67 E36s
Many unknown numbers(perhaps 18 to 2 dozen were ordered a la cart with post-production modifications requested by either Daimler legacy customers, or anyone else for that matter, who knew the right people then at Daimler, or had enough $$$ to make the wishes happen. Modified cars; either through Daimler or AMG, came with the condition the vehicles were returned to Daimler and not simply traded back in at any distributor. Hence most never left Europe or simply ‘disappeared’.
If you truly love these last true hand-built Mercedes cabriolets then this all is irrelevant to you. You are a caretaker as a curator is of fine art.
That comment is from none other than the dirtbag who is pitching his soggy, overpriced, under-documented A124 discussed in this thread:
https://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12580
He's (yet again) showing how totally classless he really is by trying to trash that car on BaT.
