From a newbie...

[rah]

I would like to introduce myself first, my name is Yannick and i live in Washington state. I am originally from Europe but i moved here in 1992. I have been a German car fan as far as i can remember but my first true love was a 1978 silver VW GTI that drove by me when i was 8 years old. Since then i have admired and owned different German cars, including VW's and Mercedes.

I have admired ONE car for many years now (since i moved to the states basically) and that is the E500 Limited. I want to own one someday and was wondering if there is ever any kind of sales in North America on this site or do any of you know how many were imported here in the states in between 1992 and 1995?

Anyways, i am glad i found a site dedicated to the W124 and i am looking forward to talk with some of you!

 

[gsxr]

Zero Limiteds were officially imported to the USA. However one or two did sneak across the border. You can get them from Japan into Canada, but then you'll have to figure out how to get one from Canada into the USA (legally). It can be done, but it is NOT cheap. Kinda depends if you have deep pockets or not.

BTW - welcome!

 

[rah]

Hey thanks for the welcome! That's what i figured but i thought i ask. Here is another question for you (or anyone else) where i am a little confuse. Was the E500 limited and the E500 both reworked by Porsche or was it only the Limited?

 

[gerryvz]

All 124.036s (500E, E500 and E500 Limited) were worked (not reworked) over by Porsche. The body shells were shipped to Porsche where they were modified and then kitted out with the drivetrains and ietc. Then they were shipped back to MB for painting, and then back to Porsche for final assembly.

I appreciate that you like the Limited models, but it's going to be next to impossible to find one in the USA. Furthermore, they are basically the exact same as normal E500s (no performance improvement) with the exception that most of the Limiteds had 17-inch "Evo II" wheels and colored/patterned leather interior, and different interior wood. However it was just recently stated on this forum that the standard E500 wood was also available on the Limited models as an option, but I don't know that that fact has been confirmed. It wouldn't surprise me though, considering that in Europe one could pretty much customize their car with the specific options they wanted, and this very often shows up in the data cards for the cars that I am tracking. For non-US cars, just about every car is different, having slight (and sometimes radical) variations on the options.

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[gsxr]

However it was just recently stated on this forum that the standard E500 wood was also available on the Limited models as an option, but I don't know that that fact has been confirmed.

This is correct, and is stated in the factory Limited brochure... BEM wood was standard, but walnut was also available on the Limited if the buyer preferred walnut over the maple. I've only seen that once, in the black Limited in the USA northeast that was in a magazine article (Jimbo knows the owner, IIRC). We thought it was fishy at the time but then confirmed it was legit:

http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/articles/E500_Limited_brochure.pdf

Read the text near the top of page 7.

 

[Jimbo]

The Limited that my friend owns here in Connecticut WAS for sale btw. And anything is for sale for the right price....PM me if truly interested.

If it was the silver colored Ltd.... it would have been mine a long time ago (I'm not too crazy about another black car, tho I might make an exception on this one if he droppped the price)

 

[gsxr]

I'm not a fan of 199 Pearl Black, just so-so on 040 Black... I've owned a couple of each. They're better when you paint the lower cladding body color, but still not my fave.

However, the Limited black is 009 Sapphire Black Metallic... and I really like the 009! That's a black car I could live with. And, it comes with the lower cladding & bumpers painted body color from the factory (aka "triple black", if the car has black interior too).

 

[gerryvz]

The 009 Sapphire Black Metallic is what I saw on that Limited in the Porsche Museum this summer, correct?

 

[gsxr]

Yup! That car has 009 paint. All 500 Limiteds built were only offered in 009 Sapphire Black or 744 Brilliant Silver, not any other colors.

Sadly, I don't think any 'standard' .036's were painted 009, only the Limiteds, making them nearly impossible to get in the USA unless you painted over the factory color (i.e., take a 199 car and paint it 009, making it (arguably) prettier, but probably hurting resale value... or at least resale potential.

 

[gerryvz]

I have no records -- whatsoever -- of any non-Limited 500s having 009 paint from the factory. US or no.

 

[gsxr]

Yeah, which is odd, because there are E420's (124.034) in Sapphire Black in the USA. A couple popped up for sale in the Atlanta area a year or two ago.

I sure wish MB had sprayed ~60% of the .036's with 009 instead of 199, but that's just me...

 

[Jimbo]

There are actually several E500 Limiteds here in the states that I know of. Both the Colliers and Brumos collection have or had them and some famous celebrities and sports figures also have them in their collections. There are also a couple of the 12 E60 Limiteds also in collections. (Drool) Mega-rich Mr. Tang in Greenwich supposedly has one...I drive by his house sometimes during work...but he's never home LOL, not that I'd be let into the estate just to see his car collection.

Isn't Curcio's euro-E500 in the 009 color?...the junky one that no one wanted that was for sale forever in Maryland.

Yeah, I guess I could live with the 009 ! It would def not come out in anything but great weather (sorta like my green one does now). The CT one I know for a fact hasn't been driven much more than a 1000 or 2000 miles since 2003, and certainly only in the nicest weather.

Nice pix of the musuem car G...my friend's is the same thing...except he lowered it, put on R230 SL rims and big Brembos all around....like you see it in the European car article.



Here's a shot of it with my SL rims on it soon after he got it from the original owner... man, that was so long ago !!

 

[Jimbo]

Yeah, which is odd, because there are E420's (124.036) in Sapphire Black in the USA.

You mean 124.034 yes?

 

[gerryvz]

You mean 124.034 yes?

Evidently Dave's fingers are growing fatter, this is his second significant typo in the past week......

 

[gsxr]

D'oh, yes, typo... E420 = .034, fixed now.

The Maryland Euro car was VIN # WDB1240361C149921 and was a 199 Pearl Black car with the lower cladding/bumpers painted. Unless it was re-painted 009...?

 

[Jimbo]

It's prolly the same 199 color....doubtful the color was changed by Mike. The owner of the Ltd here said he saw Mike's new car on the highway one night and thought it was the same color as his. I think at night both colors look much the same.

It did have ALOT of paintwork folks were saying before Mike got it... I have yet to see it myself. He's not in the loop around here with the other owners anymore.

 

[rah]

This is the car in European magazine that drew me back to the E500 again, after a long pause in my search. Thank you all for the answers, i just wanted to do a quick response before having to leave and i will revue your replies again and most likely have more questions soon for you soon! Thanks again.

 

[charly]

Hallo Gerry,

ich lese das alle 500er bei Porsche gebaut wurden - oder ist das ein Übersetzungsfehler ?

Nach meinen Informationen wurde der 500E mit 326 PS nur bis Ende 1992 bei Porsche gebaut.
Ab 1993 nach der MOPF Pflege wurde der E500 mit 320 PS nur noch von Mercedes gebaut.

Viele Grüße aus Hamburg
Charly




[QUOTE = gerryvz; 13016] Alle 124.036s (500E, E500 und E500 Limited) erarbeitet wurden (nicht nachgearbeitet) Übernahme durch Porsche. Die Karosserien wurden Porsche ausgeliefert, wo sie verändert wurden und dann mit dem Antriebsstrang und IETC kitted. Dann wurden sie wieder auf MB für die Malerei transportiert und dann zurück zu Porsche für die Endmontage.

Ich schätze, dass Sie die Limited-Modelle wie, aber es wird so gut wie unmöglich zu einem in den USA zu finden. Darüber hinaus sind sie im Grunde genau das gleiche wie normale E500S (keine Leistungsverbesserung) mit der Ausnahme, dass die meisten Limiteds 17-Zoll-"Evo II"-Räder und farbige / gemustert Lederausstattung und verschiedene Holz im Innenbereich hatte. Allerdings war es erst vor kurzem auf diesem Forum, dass die Standard-E500 Holz war auch auf der Limited-Modelle als Option angegeben, aber ich weiß nicht, dass dieser Umstand bestätigt wurde. Es würde mich nicht überraschen, wenn, wenn man bedenkt, dass in Europa könnte man ziemlich viel anpassen ihr Auto mit den spezifischen Möglichkeiten, sie wollten, und dies sehr oft zeigt sich in der Datenkarten für die Autos, die ich Tracking-Systems. Für Nicht-US-Autos, nur um jedes Auto anders, mit leichten (und bisweilen auch radikale) Variationen über die Optionen.

Cheers,
Gerry [/QUOTE]
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[gerryvz]

Hallo Gerry,

ich lese das alle 500er bei Porsche gebaut wurden - oder ist das ein Übersetzungsfehler ?

Nach meinen Informationen wurde der 500E mit 326 PS nur bis Ende 1992 bei Porsche gebaut.
Ab 1993 nach der MOPF Pflege wurde der E500 mit 320 PS nur noch von Mercedes gebaut.

Viele Grüße aus Hamburg
Charly

Hallo Charly,

Ihre Daten werden absolut nicht richtig. Alle 500Es und E500s wurden in Zuffenhausen von Porsche gemacht. Wir haben Beweisfotos innerhalb des Porsche-Werk der sehr spät Autos, die neben Audi RS2 Autos.

Dies hat eine unglückliche Mythos, dass einige Leute glauben worden. Aber Porsche hat sogar einen sehr späten E500 Limited in ihrem Museum (wie man aus dem Foto oben zu sehen). Selbst mein Auto aus dem Jahr 1994 hat ein paar Porsche Aufkleber innen von ihr!

Auch lesen Sie bitte diese Web-Link: http://500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?497-Wiring-Harness&p=13364&viewfull=1#post13364

US-Spezifikation Autos im Baujahr 1992 hatte 322 PS. 1993 und 1994 US-Cars hatte 315 PS.

Grüße aus dem Land namens Texas
Gerry

 

[195910]

Alle 124.046 Modell war Porsche gebaut, wir haben Bilder für Letzt Baujahr in zuffenhausen, (E500 Limited und Audi RS2 im rossle bau)

 

[charly]

Hallo Gerry,

ich gebe dir recht es gibt jede menge falsche Informationen.
Selbst meine Mercedes Niederlassung in Hamburg hat keine Ahnung wann welche Autos bei Porsche gebaut wurden.
In verschiedenen deutschen Automagazinen wird auch unterschiedlich berichtet. Aber immer wieder wird behauptet das nur der 500E mit 326 PS bei Porsche gebaut wurde.
Wie kann man denn heausbekommen wie es wiklich war? Was für ein Aufkleber von Porsche war denn in deinem 500er ? Und wo war dieser?
Hast du irgendwelche Beweise die wir hier nicht kennen?

Gruß Charly aus Hamburg

 

[gerryvz]

Ja, ich sage noch einmal, dass meine frühere Aussage zu 100 Prozent korrekt ist. Unten sehen Sie Anzeichen für eine Porsche-Aufkleber auf ein Mitglied das Auto, das das Datum vom Februar u. März 1994 hat. Das ist solide Beweise für viele Autos sowohl frühe als auch spätere Modelle (einschließlich meiner eigenen Auto) dokumentiert.

http://500eboard.com/forums/showthr...er-Reference-Guide&p=8120&viewfull=1#post8120

und hier:

http://500eboard.com/forums/showthr...er-Reference-Guide&p=9532&viewfull=1#post9532

Ich weiß nicht mehr ehrlich oder definitive Dokumentation wissen, als diese. Ich möchte diesen Mythos für immer zu töten durch Erschießen es in den Kopf mit meiner 9mm Walther Pistole....

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[maw1124]

The 009 Sapphire Black Metallic is what I saw on that Limited in the Porsche Museum this summer, correct?

My kingdom for that Porsche-built Audi in the front...

For those who don't know, it was built in the Porsche 959 plant right after ours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_RS2_Avant

I'm trying to stave off buying another car, but if one of those pops up (in great condition for reasonable money), all bets are off.

maw

 

[gerryvz]

It's too bad that Porsche mis-applied that E500 badge on the trunk of the museum specimen, particularly as there published MB specs/dimensions as to where the badge should be placed. This Limited likely came from the factory as a de-badged model and the badge was later added for museum display....

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[maw1124]

It's too bad that Porsche mis-applied that E500 badge on the trunk of the museum specimen, particularly as there published MB specs/dimensions as to where the badge should be placed. This Limited likely came from the factory as a de-badged model and the badge was later added for museum display....

Cheers,
Gerry

Is it even the correct font? It looks like an E500 badge from a W210 to me.

maw

 

[gerryvz]

MB changed the "font" of its trunk badging with the model-year 1994 changeover to the new MB model nomenclature system (putting the letters IN FRONT of the numbers, rather than behind as before - 500E --> E500, 500SL --> SL500, etc.). So indeed yes, this badge is 100% correct and this font continues to be in use up to and including the present.

Older models, dating back decades, always had a line underneath the model designation. This was eliminated with the new nomenclature system, as well.

Also, there was no E500 model produced with the W210 chassis. The E500 model was, however, re-introduced with the W211 chassis. It had no relation to the 124.036 cars except the general displacement of the engine, necessitating the re-use of the "E500" nomenclature.

You can see the differences between the badges / nomenclature starkly, in this photo (courtesy of 124 Guru/Squid GSXR):

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[036]

Alle 124.046 Modell war Porsche gebaut, wir haben Bilder für Letzt Baujahr in zuffenhausen, (E500 Limited und Audi RS2 im rossle bau)

Here they are.