OWNER JC220

[JC220]

Hopefully they will re-install the rear springs before delivering to the new owner.


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Mine sits really low like that too. They have SLS, I am hoping mine will raise once the engine is running properly. Or is this also a case of SRES? (Sagging rear end syndrome)

 

[gsxr]

I keep forgetting the 201.034 had SLS as standard equipment.

You are right, Joe, if parked for extended periods (many months, or years) the SLS rear end can sag like this. A bit concerning that a ~£250k car may not have had the engine running much prior to listing - or, that the SLS has problems.

 

[R129 UK]

I think they added some ballast weight to slow Senna down and forgot to remove it

 

[JC220]

I don't think the fuel distributor was working at all in my 190E. I suspect it may have been running on the cold start valve.

Look at the green deposits that came out of the inlet filter screen alone on the KE fuel distributor



I am curious what the insides will look like when I dismantle the fuel distributor for proper cleaning and the rebuild kit.

 

[JC220]

The 300E intake boot does fit a 190E 2.5-16 but not without slightly enlarging the side hole for the small tube to connect without stretching the rubber boot too much. (I used an air die grinder)



Back together now, less the metering head which I will start stripping down next.



(It will get a full restoration later, this is just about getting the car running properly)

 

[alabbasi]

This is great information for when I get my 2.3-16v

 

[JC220]

I got to dismantling the old fuel pumps tonight.



I tested them and one pump was dead and pulling current/ short circuit. So what I was hearing was just one pump running and I'm not sure if it was good either.

New genuine bosch pumps should be here tomorrow. I am tempted to try ultrasonic cleaning the fuel distributor complete and trying the car again over the weekend to see if the injection system works this time. I won't fit the new fuel injectors just yet until some fresh fuel flushes through the system incase tiny debris goes into the new injectors.

I also tested the throttle body potentiometer and its working OK. So ill see how the car behaves over the weekend if the pumps arrive and I get it back together for a test run.

 

[R129 UK]

a test run.

 

[JC220]

I hope the whole mistake reverse thing was an overplayed joke there!

To select reverse you have to lift the selector up. So its not really something I see as an issue. The good thing is all my other cars are automatic so I shouldn't mix it up once im driving the 190 for a while.

Obviously the purpose of a dog leg manual transmission is to keep 2nd and 3rd gears on the same throw which are the most used gears in racing. So ill have to test that out on some windy roads along with the lap timer

 

[Rouven036]

It was never an issue for me with the dog leg pattern. When I sit into these cars a fixed shift protocol in my head gets pulled up. Never had to think about it or whatever.

 

[Glen]

It was never an issue for me with the dog leg pattern. When I sit into these cars a fixed shift protocol in my head gets pulled up. Never had to think about it or whatever.

I agree. When I had mine, it was never an issue and I had other manual cars at the same time, one being an ‘86 300E.

 

[JC220]

Another 190 update -

This evening I got a couple hours of dry weather and fitted the new injectors & fuel pumps. I ultrasonic cleaned the fuel distributor and that worked great the needle now moves freely unlike before. No sign of any debris in the ports at all after cleaning.



There are small fuel filters on each injector line output so I removed them before ultrasonic cleaning and cleaned them too. That made me comfortable to go ahead and fit the new injectors knowing the lines are filtered anyway.



The car started right up and ran very nicely albeit I can still only run the car for less than a minute at a time due to the head freeze plug leak not allowing the engine to hold coolant. The engine sounds healthy and zero smoke from the exhaust. No knocks or strange noises it runs very well

I think this is a great car, it was sitting too long and down on its luck but anything I check has been better than I expected.

So that gives me enough confidence that the engine can stay in for the "rolling restoration" stages so next job will be to tackle exhuast manifold removal which will be tricky to access and rusty bolts so ill be using my inductor tool to heat them. Then replace the freeze plug and pressure test the coolant system before the manifold would go back on.

 

[JC220]

Does anyone know what the 2x sensors are in the air cleaner box of the 2.5-16's please? One must be air temperature but I am not sure what this larger 3 pin sensor does?



It is disconnected at the moment until a new air filter arrives in a few days. The old air filter was very manky and I couldn't locate a new one in UK! It had to come from Germany and I dont want to refit the filthy one even for a few days.

 

[Rouven036]

The brass one is a temperature switch for the ezl ignition controller. Iirc exceeding 25°C it pulls back ignition timing by around 3 degrees...

 

[JC220]

Update on the 190E,

I flushed the fuel system and changed the fuel filter. I cleaned all of the engine electrical connectors. Alot of them had signs of corrosion. It primed the fuel pumps and built pressure no problems no leaks. Then I got the oil filter today. I changed the oil and cranked it over without the spark plugs until I it built oil pressure.

Then it was time for a first startup attempt:

I can't run it for long until I replace the freeze plug in the cylinder head which means exhaust manifold must come off. But it did move under its own power briefly today for the first time in around 14 years. The fuel injection system isnt too happy ill have to look into that.

The work is only really getting started but there is a significant improvement now when starting up the car VS the first start above:

 

[R129 UK]

That sounds much healthier and surprising quiet when idling at 1000 - 1200 RPM.

 

[JC220]

That sounds much healthier and surprising quiet when idling at 1000 - 1200 RPM.

I think the exhaust may be blowing too. But I'll get a new stainless or titanium exhaust for it so that doesnt matter.

 

[JC220]

I have ordered one of these I will show how it works when it gets here Mercedes KE-Jetronic tester / diagnostics device | eBay UK



Whilst I have blink readers and 2x full MB laptop setups the KE Jetronic doesnt support anything other than blink reading. So this device does the code reading for you and also displays the mixture % if the car has a lambda sensor. (Or still code reading even if no lambda fitted)

I am not sure if this 2.5-16 has a lambda sensor. I haven't got under it to check, I will soon. The presence of a throttle position sensor suggests it "should" have a lambda sensor on the exhaust and if it does I will replace it as like everything else on this car its probably original. (No bad thing really, how many of these cars are still almost exactly as they left the factory)

 

[R129 UK]

You have probably already found this but if not...

 

[Rouven036]

Without watching the video... With a dwell meter you can check the function of the cis-e very well and "read out fault codes too". If the video covers that good... But search, there a lists of what certain fixed outputs mean in regards to faults. Also the idle and partial load mixture can be adjusted with the dwell meter quite well.

 

[R129 UK]

A quick look at the competition:

Lot 149 - 1989 MERCEDES 190E 2.5-16

Lot 149 - 1989 MERCEDES 190E 2.5-16

www.mathewsons.co.uk

No VIN but they never include them but will advise over the phone.

A very good MOT history:

https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/results?registration=G137+PWW&checkRecalls=true

If it was black, I might be tempted myself...

Provisional sale, it was only bid up to £11500

 

[e500.org]

That car ended up selling for GBP 12,000 according to the website. Looks like a nice one.

 

[JC220]

Hi all,

I Have been tinkering at this 190 for a few weeks now and just set off the first of a you tube series on it.

Im totally new to this and had to start somewhere, I hope you like it

 

[TerryA]

@JC220,
Joe, You’ve become a Movie Star! It’s nice to put a face to your name. I didn’t realize you were such a young guy. I’m surprised you have so much talent for your age but it really nice to see young people carrying on with your enthusiasm. I’ve been a fan of yours for a very long time and often look back at your threads.

I for one will be looking forward to your new videos.

Take Care My Friend

 

[JC220]

@JC220,
Joe, You’ve become a Movie Star! It’s nice to put a face to your name. I didn’t realize you were such a young guy. I’m surprised you have so much talent for your age but it really nice to see young people carrying on with your enthusiasm. I’ve been a fan of yours for a very long time and often look back at your threads.

I for one will be looking forward to your new videos.

Take Care My Friend

Thank you very much for your kind comments Terry, much appreciated

Second video now up - cut it at 40 mins. Maybe I rambled too much and should make them shorter?

I have also started a tool shorts series - 1st one here

 

[JC220]

I got the battery tray welding all complete and in primer as of today. Phew, what a PITA that was - so little room to work.





Front suspension all removed and dismantled ready for restoration



I am making new Kunifer brake lines up front first. I got ral 6006 satin paint custom mixed so they will look exactly as original when done

 

[Glen]

Looks good, I’ve been enjoying the videos too.

 

[JC220]

There have been more videos since. Today marked the completion of the repair below battery tray in my 2.5-16

Lots more to come too -

 

[gerryvz]

15-20 mins is optimal for YouTube videos. That said, I have long been watching all YT vids at 1.5 speed for time efficiency. You can blow through a 40 min. video in significantly less time.

 

[JC220]

15-20 mins is optimal for YouTube videos. That said, I have long been watching all YT vids at 1.5 speed for time efficiency. You can blow through a 40 min. video in significantly less time.

Thanks for the feedback Gerry, yes Ill try to to target say max 20 mins per video going forward.

I am also wondering should videos be more targetted than progress videos. For example, I am restoring and rebuilding the brake calipers. So instead of breaking that process accross 2 or 3 general progress videos, better to produce one video showing that complete process?

 

[R129 UK]

Thanks for posting, just so you are aware, your uploads are now appearing as suggestions in my YT feed outside of this site.

I must confess to not having finished watching all your uploads, mainly because I don’t own the vehicle in question and therefore don’t have a requirement for a deep dive. I’m of course very interested in the overall subject matter you are covering which is repairing and restoring an older MB car and will be able to return anytime in the future if I need further information.

I think the question for you might be what are your aims for the content you are creating?

Are you looking to document what you are achieving primarily for personal satisfaction.

Are you hoping to provide instructional media for other owners to refer to on their own cars.

Finally, are you seeking to monetise the effort you are putting in?

 

[gsxr]

I am also wondering should videos be more targetted than progress videos. For example, I am restoring and rebuilding the brake calipers. So instead of breaking that process accross 2 or 3 general progress videos, better to produce one video showing that complete process?

I'm not a content creator nor do I play one on TV streaming, but... since you likely have all the footage to play with, why not both? Split up into shorter videos, but also have a single full-length vid?

In general I like videos that are short, to the point, and have minimal fluff or wasted time. I'm running out of minutes. A new addendum to "Nobody, ever, on their deathbed said 'Gee, I sure wish I spent more time in the office!' is '...wish I had spent more time watching YouTube!'.

 

[JC220]

Thanks for posting, just so you are aware, your uploads are now appearing as suggestions in my YT feed outside of this site.

I think the question for you might be what are your aims for the content you are creating?

Are you looking to document what you are achieving primarily for personal satisfaction.

Are you hoping to provide instructional media for other owners to refer to on their own cars.

Finally, are you seeking to monetise the effort you are putting in?

In short - all of the above!

One of my brothers was encouraging me to share my hobby on you tube and bought me the go pro for christmas.

As a personal resource / log the likes of this owners thread is very useful to look back on. I do the work anyway as a hobby so its easy enough to record as I go and doesnt require any additional time or effort to speak of.

I do want content to be informative and helpful to viewers. To hear their opinions and learn more. I like Edd China's type of content if that describes my long term goal better content wise.

Montisation - yes eventually would be nice. But never as a business as I have a full time profression that I am very good at and get paid well for.

Just a small % back towards more tools and parts to feed my fleet would be a nice thought. But that is years away in reality.

I'm not a content creator nor do I play one on TV streaming, but... since you likely have all the footage to play with, why not both? Split up into shorter videos, but also have a single full-length vid?

In general I like videos that are short, to the point, and have minimal fluff or wasted time. I'm running out of minutes. A new addendum to "Nobody, ever, on their deathbed said 'Gee, I sure wish I spent more time in the office!' is '...wish I had spent more time watching YouTube!'.

Thanks Dave you are right and this feedback is a great help.

If I want to stand out then ill need to do more shorts etc. At the same time ill never stoop to the lows that some you tubers do for views! (Unrelated sponsors, dumbest channel sayings etc and cringe thumbnails)

Even if I say so myself, through years of hard work my expertise in these cars is there. I concentrate too much in detail by my nature so I need to work on scaling that back for video purposes. I think I could have and should have started years ago but ill keep posting now ive started and see does it pick up views.

Next upload this weekend will be a max 20 mins full tutorial on DIY brake caliper refurbishment

 

[JC220]

There have been more videos since. Today marked the completion of the repair below battery tray in my 2.5-16

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Lots more to come too -

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Tonight I got the other side of this bumper bracket repair completed ready for bodywork / paint