WANTED Oil separator p/n 119-010-00-62

[Tiani006]

Hello! I am from the United States, interested in buying the oil separator when it is available. Will you ship to the US?

 

[Tiani006]

See post # 7 this guy has everything related to M119 . anything out of stock he has it

How can i get in contact with the guy?

 

[Alioking]

+49 179 3792722

 

[Strasse]

Any updates on the separator production?

Folks, the first conforming (part meets design and drawing requirements) test article has completed testing. Everything appears to be sorted and the new oil separator can now move to production. I am working out the pricing and distribution programme, now.
Now I need to determine how many to build in the first production run, which will establish pricing and lead time. Photos attached.

 

[Strasse]

Maybe you could share the design you made im willing to pay for the 3d design

Thank you for your thoughts. The development process is complete, now. The updated design was quite extensive. It including material analysis, tolerance stackup, range of fitment, design for manufacturing/ design for assembly, full 3-D design and drawings (including manufacturing instructions). Thus, it was a complete engineering and manufacturing exercise that culminated with testing on the M119 engine in a 1993 500E.

 

[Strasse]

Hello! I am from the United States, interested in buying the oil separator when it is available. Will you ship to the US?

They will be shipping from the United States. So yes. Order quantities, pricing and lead times are currently being sorted.

 

[Strasse]

Any updates on the separator production?

Hello, Andy. Yes. Please see post #54 for the update.

 

[Strasse]

Thanks for the response maybe you know if there’s some sites that still have some left over or a alternative

Please see post #54 for an update on the reproduction part.

 

[Strasse]

I’m considering a CNC run of 50 - 100 oil separators. That gets the price down to a reasonable level…. Probably around $120 USD. The lead-time is 3 to 4 weeks based on the CNC queue at the moment. Probably makes sense to sell them on eBay

 

[Easycool]

Hi All

I am in the same situación.
No way I can find this part in Europe. I am trying now to find it overseas with no luck.

Me too! I've exhausted every source and still can't locate it. I miss driving my S420!

 

[Easycool]

Update: I completed the first 3D fit check oil separator part. It fit perfectly. I added a retention feature to it and am printing an updated version tonight. I plan do complete the fit check process on Saturday. If everything meets my requirements, I will begin the machining process, for an actual part, next.

I want one. By the way, how did you install the small screen that is in the original part? Also, how well does the cone fit on the new part?

 

[Easycool]

@ABM,
Thanks for posting photos. I know there’s got to be someone out there willing to try CD Printing this part. Maybe @Glen (He needs some Practice).

For now we need to find a proper material that can withstand the harsh environment this part has to live in.

I suspect that in this coming spring when I change to the aluminum oiler tubes and attempt to replace the cone portion (which I have) I will be looking at a problem.

Anyway, With as many M119s still out there, this could be an opportunity for one of our members to produce a batch and make a few $$$ in the process.

I believe it is ABS plastic

 

[Easycool]

The new, replacement oil separator is an assembly made from brass and Aluminium. A fit check/ test article is in queue for the CNC machine. I expect the CNC work will be completed next week with first article inspections, fit check and functional testing completed immediately thereafter. It is designed to be a direct replacement for the original Merc part. I’m keen to complete this, as well, since my personal 500E awaits one. I will send photos when I have the first one in my hand. If everything works as planned, I will figure pricing and then produce an initial run of parts. After the pricing is determined, it would be great to have a rough idea of sales so I could meet that requirement straight away. Thanks for checking.

I want to buy one as soon as you approve for sale.

 

[Easycool]

How can i get in contact with the guy?

I tried to call him to no avail! Any suggestions?

 

[Easycool]

The new, replacement oil separator is an assembly made from brass and Aluminium. A fit check/ test article is in queue for the CNC machine. I expect the CNC work will be completed next week with first article inspections, fit check and functional testing completed immediately thereafter. It is designed to be a direct replacement for the original Merc part. I’m keen to complete this, as well, since my personal 500E awaits one. I will send photos when I have the first one in my hand. If everything works as planned, I will figure pricing and then produce an initial run of parts. After the pricing is determined, it would be great to have a rough idea of sales so I could meet that requirement straight away. Thanks for checking.

I'll buy it when it becomes available for my 96 S420.thanks

 

[Tiani006]

I tried to call him to no avail! Any suggestions?

I was able to message him through whatsapp and I have ordered my part.

 

[Easycool]

I'll buy it when it becomes available for my 96 S420.thanks

You betcha. What a life saver you are.

 

[Easycool]

I was able to message him through whatsapp and I have ordered my part.

Ah, I can try that.

 

[Teddy_West]

I’m considering a CNC run of 50 - 100 oil separators. That gets the price down to a reasonable level…. Probably around $120 USD. The lead-time is 3 to 4 weeks based on the CNC queue at the moment. Probably makes sense to sell them on eBay

+2

 

[Easycool]

Folks, the first conforming (part meets design and drawing requirements) test article has completed testing. Everything appears to be sorted and the new oil separator can now move to production. I am working out the pricing and distribution programme, now.
Now I need to determine how many to build in the first production run, which will establish pricing and lead time. Photos attached.

Say, is that o-ring made of Vinton? It would hold up much better than any others.

 

[Easycool]

+2

Please let me know when it becomes available

 

[Strasse]

I want one. By the way, how did you install the small screen that is in the original part? Also, how well does the cone fit on the new part?

Thank you for enquiring. Reference posts #18, 31, 32 and 33 regarding the potential screen/ mesh. I interrogated two, complete oil separators and watched a video of one being disassembled. There was no mesh or screen in any of them, including the one on my 1993 500E. The installation and fitment is identical to the OEM part. The funnel fits the same as the dimensions are all identical. I will likely sell them on eBay and will provide a link.

 

[Strasse]

Please let me know when it becomes available

I will. The lead-time is 3 to 4 weeks based on the CNC queue at the moment.

 

[Strasse]

Say, is that o-ring made of Vinton? It would hold up much better than any others.

The o-ring is Nitrile with a durometer allowing proper installation in place of the interference fit between the original plastic oil separator and the Aluminium head. The nitrile o-ring has a temperature range of from -40C to over 120C (250F). It is well suited to the environment for which it is installed… both chemicals and temperature.

 

[Easycool]

Thank you for enquiring. Reference posts #18, 31, 32 and 33 regarding the potential screen/ mesh. I interrogated two, complete oil separators and watched a video of one being disassembled. There was no mesh or screen in any of them, including the one on my 1993 500E. The installation and fitment is identical to the OEM part. The funnel fits the same as the dimensions are all identical. I will likely sell them on eBay and will provide a link.

Thank you for your quick response. Can't wait!

 

[Easycool]

The o-ring is Nitrile with a durometer allowing proper installation in place of the interference fit between the original plastic oil separator and the Aluminium head. The nitrile o-ring has a temperature range of from -40C to over 120C (250F). It is well suited to the environment for which it is installed… both chemicals and temperature.

Ok, I get that. However remember that nitrile is susceptible to ozone/ fuel issues.

 

[Easycool]

I will. The lead-time is 3 to 4 weeks based on the CNC queue at the moment.

Most excellent!

 

[Strasse]

Ok, I get that. However remember that nitrile is susceptible to ozone/ fuel issues.

Good comment, for sure. The selection was made to ensure we would be able to meet the low temperature requirements of -40C that Mercedes tests to, thus the oil resistant Buna-N (Nitrile) selection. Viton Fluoroelastomer o-rings are much better for high temperature requirements (525F/ 274C) though their low temperature (-26C) limit can risk cracking, albeit low risk. I appreciate you enquiring.

 

[svhamelly]

Put me down for one, when they become available

 

[Vidma]

Hi, can anyone suggest an alternative because i tried to 3d print it my measurements are really off , and i have to put back the engine together in the upcoming days so maybe there’s some alternative and i would like to also know its function what does it do

 

[Easycool]

Hi, can anyone suggest an alternative because i tried to 3d print it my measurements are really off , and i have to put back the engine together in the upcoming days so maybe there’s some alternative and i would like to also know its function what does it do

Watch this video on project Heidi.

Hi, can anyone suggest an alternative because i tried to 3d print it my measurements are really off , and i have to put back the engine together in the upcoming days so maybe there’s some alternative and i would like to also know its function what does it do

 

[gerryvz]

@Strasse:

100 units would be a good starting point. Remember, most people don't even know about this part, or what it does. That is, until they need to replace it (and eventually, everyone will). So it's highly unlikely that you will sell out immediately - you may be sitting on many dozens of these for quite some time until they are needed. You will sell a number of them to the parts hoarders and proactive long-term owners here who stockpile parts like this, knowing they will be needed in the future. But most owners won't need one .... until they need one.

I would price them at whatever makes sense so that you make a small profit for your time and effort. HOWEVER, after the initial rush of buyers is over, then I would RAISE the price on the unit for future buyers who either didn't bother to get one at the lower price, or who are desperate to get one because it is direly needed.

I would also contact @jhodg5ck at Blue Ridge MB, as it is likely he will buy a number of them from you for his parts stock for future customer M119 revamps. Jono likes to have these kinds of well-made parts on hand -- maybe there's a volume discount for him there.

When you do offer them for sale, please put me down for one part. I replaced my original unit with a new MB factory plastic part in 2020, but it would be good to have an additional one on hand if and when ever needed.

Thanks
Gerry

 

[R129 UK]

Some questions to anyone with any insight or personal experience of this NLA part issue:

Are the symptoms causing the failure of this part known and documented?

I have numerous stories of owners needing the part but not exactly why.

Also, it seems it can break when disturbed but what is the failure mechanism "in use"?

Finally, is this part fitted to all M119 engines or only certain variants?

 

[gsxr]

Are the symptoms causing the failure of this part known and documented?

I have numerous stories of owners needing the part but not exactly why.

The plastic piece breaks when you try to remove it, usually when trying to replace the fossilized rubber funnel which attaches to it.

Also, it seems it can break when disturbed but what is the failure mechanism "in use"?

It should not break "in use", only when disturbed, e.g. when the valve covers are removed.

Finally, is this part fitted to all M119 engines or only certain variants?

Part # 119-010-00-62 is fitted to all M119 engines.

 

[gerryvz]

Some questions to anyone with any insight or personal experience of this NLA part issue:

Are the symptoms causing the failure of this part known and documented?

I have numerous stories of owners needing the part but not exactly why.

Also, it seems it can break when disturbed but what is the failure mechanism "in use"?

Finally, is this part fitted to all M119 engines or only certain variants?

Basically this part separates oil mist from other combustion gases and water, and ensures that the oil gets collected and cycled back into the engine. Primary function is to keep engine oil (via collected mist) out the intake manifold and thus the combustion chambers.

It's basically a function of PCV. With some engines, such as the M156 (AMG 6.3), owners purchase and install an aftermarket "catch can" to augment the built-in PCV valve, which on that engine doesn't work all that well. The M119 oil separator design works pretty well, thankfully.

If if you don't have this, or if it isn't working, there is no immediate issue with engine operation or performance. However, over time this results in oil/carbon on the intake valves, a really dirty intake system (including the ETA), and reduced airflow into the engine. With oil pooled over time in the intake, you will get the engine burning oil (blue smoke), and of course this buildup of oil gunk in the top of the engine eventually degrades performance. It's a gradual thing.

 

[R129 UK]

The plastic piece breaks when you try to remove it, usually when trying to replace the fossilized rubber funnel which attaches to it.
It should not break "in use", only when disturbed, e.g. when the valve covers are removed.
Part # 119-010-00-62 is fitted to all M119 engines.

Basically this part separates oil mist from other combustion gases and water, and ensures that the oil gets collected and cycled back into the engine. Primary function is to keep engine oil (via collected mist) out the intake manifold and thus the combustion chambers.

It's basically a function of PCV. With some engines, such as the M156 (AMG 6.3), owners purchase and install an aftermarket "catch can" to augment the built-in PCV valve, which on that engine doesn't work all that well. The M119 oil separator design works pretty well, thankfully.

If if you don't have this, or if it isn't working, there is no immediate issue with engine operation or performance. However, over time this results in oil/carbon on the intake valves, a really dirty intake system (including the ETA), and reduced airflow into the engine. With oil pooled over time in the intake, you will get the engine burning oil (blue smoke), and of course this buildup of oil gunk in the top of the engine eventually degrades performance. It's a gradual thing.

Thanks Gents for this information.

 

[Easycool]

Thanks Gents for this information.

The point to remember here is that if the oil separator is broken, your car will produce bluish smoke and you will lose a lot of oil.

 

[R129 UK]

The point to remember here is that if the oil separator is broken, your car will produce bluish smoke and you will lose a lot of oil.

I have just been reviewing some photos of my engine from the last time the valve covers were off and it was in position then:

 

[Strasse]

@Strasse:

100 units would be a good starting point. Remember, most people don't even know about this part, or what it does. That is, until they need to replace it (and eventually, everyone will). So it's highly unlikely that you will sell out immediately - you may be sitting on many dozens of these for quite some time until they are needed. You will sell a number of them to the parts hoarders and proactive long-term owners here who stockpile parts like this, knowing they will be needed in the future. But most owners won't need one .... until they need one.

I would price them at whatever makes sense so that you make a small profit for your time and effort. HOWEVER, after the initial rush of buyers is over, then I would RAISE the price on the unit for future buyers who either didn't bother to get one at the lower price, or who are desperate to get one because it is direly needed.

I would also contact @jhodg5ck at Blue Ridge MB, as it is likely he will buy a number of them from you for his parts stock for future customer M119 revamps. Jono likes to have these kinds of well-made parts on hand -- maybe there's a volume discount for him there.

When you do offer them for sale, please put me down for one part. I replaced my original unit with a new MB factory plastic part in 2020, but it would be good to have an additional one on hand if and when ever needed.

Thanks
Gerry

Thank you for your thoughts on this, Gerry, and your recommendation to contact Jono at Blue Ridge MB. I concur with your thoughts regarding initial order, pricing, etc. Good to have that confirmed. I’ll probably continue to consider other NLA parts as requirements arise. Cheers

 

[Strasse]

Thank you for enquiring. Reference posts #18, 31, 32 and 33 regarding the potential screen/ mesh. I interrogated two, complete oil separators and watched a video of one being disassembled. There was no mesh or screen in any of them, including the one on my 1993 500E. The installation and fitment is identical to the OEM part. The funnel fits the same as the dimensions are all identical. I will likely sell them on eBay and will provide a link.

In response to the enquiry regarding fitment of the rubber “funnel”… please see attached photos.

 

[Easycool]

In response to the enquiry regarding fitment of the rubber “funnel”… please see attached photos.

Nice! So, how did it perform during your testing phase? I'm assuming it all went well.

 

[gezata]

If someone is interested there is someone in Germany selling one, wants 200 euros for it which I think is crazy. From what I have seen those will not break or malfunction unless you try to remove them. Mine broke after i tried to remove it, luckily they were still available back then, not sure, maybe 2-3 years ago.

A1190100062 Ölabscheider M119 R129 W124 W140 W210

Neu und unbenutzt. Versicherter Versand möglich.,A1190100062 Ölabscheider M119 R129 W124 W140 W210 in Niedersachsen - Langenhagen

www.kleinanzeigen.de

 

[rucraig]

Please add me to the list of people who would like one of these, once they're available.

 

[TerryA]

@Strasse,
Please add me to the list also.

Thanks for your effort.

 

[Strasse]

Nice! So, how did it perform during your testing phase? I'm assuming it all went well.

Testing was flawless. Installation and operation show to be identical to the OEM plastic part from which it was modeled. Thank you for enquiring.

 

[Strasse]

Please add me to the list of people who would like one of these, once they're available.

I will do so.

 

[Strasse]

@Strasse,
Please add me to the list also.

Thanks for your effort.

I will add you to the list. Thank you for the kind words. I am pleased to assist. This had the potential to become a real problem.

 

[khomer2]

I will do so.

hello @Strasse
Kindly include myself in this 1st batch list (to be shipped to Canada).
Cheers.

 

[Boatwaco]

@Strasse - I would like to be on the buyer list to, please. USA based.

 

[Easycool]

Testing was flawless. Installation and operation show to be identical to the OEM plastic part from which it was modeled. Thank you for enquiring.

That is wonderful news! Now I can get Mariko back on the road again. I'm positive this will provide many years of outstanding service.

Thank you so very much for your diligence to "take the bull by the horns", as they say ro design, manufacture, and test. Your efforts are greatly appreciated! I'm sure I speak for the Mercedes community when say, 'thanks for a job well done!"