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Roof trim rubber part number help
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I'm ready to reinstall these roof trims and I cannot recall a detail from disassembly. Due to the design of the holding clips they can only be orientated in one direction. The two sides of the channel are different from one another and the clips are designed to match. Each clip installs at an area with a small bump formed into the channel. Can anyone tell me if the clips are installed fore or aft of this bump?
I recommend new clips to anyone replacing these trims. The old clips become brittle from years in the sun beneath the black aluminum. Every one was bad on my car.
BTW...the picture of the rear window trim shows the results of applying 3M wrap as a solution to covering the faded anodization without removal. I'm quite pleased with the results. All other trim is new.
I recommend new clips to anyone replacing these trims. The old clips become brittle from years in the sun beneath the black aluminum. Every one was bad on my car.
BTW...the picture of the rear window trim shows the results of applying 3M wrap as a solution to covering the faded anodization without removal. I'm quite pleased with the results. All other trim is new.
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FYI... there are different clips at the rear of the roof rail (black metal clip instead of silver), and there are 3 sizes of each. I've always replaced the existing ones with the same size/color/type.
Can't remember about the location question, sorry, Drew!
Can't remember about the location question, sorry, Drew!
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So if I want to order the correct number of clips to re+re one trim, what exactly do I order and how many?
Unfortunately, the only way to find out is to remove your roof trim rails, and look at the existing clips... then use the photos above to determine part numbers. Each car may be different.
I have taken the roof trim off my Limited, but haven´t looked at this in detail yet. But these channels is the joint between the roof plate and the side structure/member, it´s a stitch welded plate joint covered with sealer and it doesn´t look that accurate. So could it be that the width & depth of the channel varies slightly requiring various clip sizes to accommodate assembly tolerances?
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This is all helpful. Tom at the Classic Center mentioned the various color choices and the back two (one each side) being different. I removed green, and so ordered green. I may need two more, possibly red, for the rear. I need to look closer. I could understand a variance in build specs for the channel. The channels on my car show no individual variance in width or depth and the green clips seem to grab very well. I have no worries about anything coming loose. I need to look at the pictures and try the rear clips.
drew
drew
My pic showed when I removed the trim, so I would know what to put back. You are right, it seemed to me more of what fit rather than a specific order so there must be a variance in the gaps on some cars versus others. I ordered extra of all of them and varied from the picture some as needed.
As for the tool, I cannot remember actually, but it was quite a simple task..., pressure fit IIRC, manual with your digits! (GSXR might confirm)
As for the tool, I cannot remember actually, but it was quite a simple task..., pressure fit IIRC, manual with your digits! (GSXR might confirm)
The rails gently pry out of the old clips. HOWEVER, after you install the new clips, they are very very tight. It's more difficult to remove the rail with new clips installed. Make sure you're really ready to install it before whacking it into place!
I've finished installing the roof trims on my car and will pass along a few findings. I installed all the clips directly on top of each molded bump on the inboard side of the channels. I used the green clips at all locations on my 92 model. The outboard side of the channel has a ridge that dictates the height of any of the clip colors installed. This provides some room underneath for the seam sealer which on my car is applied only to the outside area of the channel. Installing the clip on top of the molded bump results in the clip being perfectly level to accept the trim. Any other configuration may cause the trim to twist slightly. The seam sealer thins out noticeably about 4 or 5 inches from the back of the channel however with the clip installed on top of the bumps the positioning is optimum.
The clips are designed for single use. Once the colored ramp is squeezed toward the white part of the clip (I used some thin channellocks) the clip is anchored and cannot be removed. The rubber seals (124 698 01 98 & 124 698 02 98) that lay under the trim at the side of the windshield are installed onto the trims first indexed with holes on the underside of the trims. Upon installation, the front of the trim is first inserted under the edge of the fender. Next, I lined up the blade on the underside of the trim with all the clips positioning the back of the trim about 8mm from the edge of the roof. Starting now from the front begin tapping the trim in with the palm of your hand while checking that the seal underneath is not entering any of the clips and is seating properly. Continue down the trim towards the back while making sure the blade is positioned correctly to enter each clip. Finish with a light tapping with a rubber mallet and a thick rag to seat. Apologies for the lack of pictures. I'll try to add some later.
drew
The clips are designed for single use. Once the colored ramp is squeezed toward the white part of the clip (I used some thin channellocks) the clip is anchored and cannot be removed. The rubber seals (124 698 01 98 & 124 698 02 98) that lay under the trim at the side of the windshield are installed onto the trims first indexed with holes on the underside of the trims. Upon installation, the front of the trim is first inserted under the edge of the fender. Next, I lined up the blade on the underside of the trim with all the clips positioning the back of the trim about 8mm from the edge of the roof. Starting now from the front begin tapping the trim in with the palm of your hand while checking that the seal underneath is not entering any of the clips and is seating properly. Continue down the trim towards the back while making sure the blade is positioned correctly to enter each clip. Finish with a light tapping with a rubber mallet and a thick rag to seat. Apologies for the lack of pictures. I'll try to add some later.
drew
I only have the green and the red clips. Of these, the difference is solely in the colored portion of the clip, the red being taller but no wider. When inserted in the channel the red clip was a bit high even without placement over a bump. I did find a clip in my stash, some which came from other cars, that had a black metal clip in the white portion of the arrangement. This was identical in size to the other arrangements and leads me to believe MB switched coatings although Daves pictures show an all black version. Still a bit puzzling.
Starting at the rear may allow a more accurate placement of the trim. I was concerned with getting the front portion under the fender however there is likely enough flex to do this last as evidenced by a recent post outlining windshield removal showing the front portion of the trim released and pulled away for access.
drew
Starting at the rear may allow a more accurate placement of the trim. I was concerned with getting the front portion under the fender however there is likely enough flex to do this last as evidenced by a recent post outlining windshield removal showing the front portion of the trim released and pulled away for access.
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My car is missing the rubber seals between the windshield and the trim :-( I did get some used ones, but will see if I can buy new! I found this video interesting:
This person started from the bottom of the windshield and worked his way back... Sounds like we should start from the rear?
This person started from the bottom of the windshield and worked his way back... Sounds like we should start from the rear?
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They were available early last year. The part no. for the left side is 124 698 0198. Right side is 124 698 0298. Price was about $16.00 each. I have extra left sides should they be NLA. I started installing the trim from the back to be sure of the correct alignment with the rear window. Just be sure you have the front of the trim tucked under the fender before you get too far along to avoid having to bend it. Be sure you have new clips as the old ones will break when you remove or move them.
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Sadly no.
I had a set wrapped before I bought new ones. They came out presentable but the guy didn't clean them properly and left a few imperfections. I had them use gloss as they could not get matte which is the way to go.
drew
Drew thanks, the matte vs gloss was going to be my next question! I have another —- did your wrap guy have to take the trims off the car to wrap, or can the roof trims, rear window trims, rear door vertical bars, etc all be wrapped without removing them (and risking damage)?
I'm no expert on applying these products but I have seen what a skilled person can do and I believe all the pieces could be done on the car. The most difficult pieces are probably the roof trims being discussed due to the tiny rubber border that is part of the trim. Mine were taken off. I watched a skilled tech wrap my rear window stays (off the car) in 3 or 4 minutes. He gave me some product and some quick tips and I covered the back window trim on my car myself. The roof trims are not difficult to remove and the risk of damage is low if care is used. The rear stays are also easier than it may seem. The door panel must come off to access one bolt and the felt window channel needs to be pulled out temporarily from the one side of the window opening and the vertical stay itself. The felt channels came out of my car without damage although I replaced them. The illuminatii here say removal of the rear window trim is very difficult and doing so can risk chipping or breaking the glass.
drew
drew
At the two minute mark on this video the rubber that inserts into the top and bottom sides of the trim I think is 001 987 4260.
Can't find it but found aftermarket one that is sold by the foot. Mine from Arizona were just missing and/or a crumbled mess.
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and here instead of PN ending in 4260 it ends in 0460:
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It attaches to both top and bottom edges on the top windshield trim. It fits in place of #20 and #23 in the drawing.
It takes some patience to get the little barbed ridge clicked into the channel on the metal molding but worth it. I also had all my moldings at the body shop painted black. Now just keep wax and whatnot on them.
