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Drove it home 900 miles from SF to Van. Car performed well although quite a few things were revealed after the first 50 miles. Now to address the 20 or so minor and not so minor (expensive) needs. Not thrilled with the seller's representation of the car.


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Well Sam, don't know whether to congratulate or send condolences, but rest assured that most of the items can be methodically rectified with patience and sometimes a lot of $$$.
The guys here are super patient and there are many "how to" procedures to help you.

So, I say congrats!:)
 
Re: New 500E owner

I experienced a similar situation, but slowly and surely getting things sorted. Congrats...great looking 500E. I'll echo Trae that this community is great.


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The good:

Body panels check out to be original with no evidence of collision repairs.
Paint is original except for new clear coat on hood.
Factory stock inside and out.
No oil leaks from either engine, transmission or diff.
 
Re: New 500E owner

Welcome Aboard Sam,

Looks like you have a nice example of our beloved 500E.

Please post more pics ASAP!!

Tell us about your trip home. You can get a lot of help here w/ any problems.

Good Luck w/ your new ride.
 
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Looks great! Interior looks clean and original. I like the black on black. If it's a CA car then it most likely is going to be rust free or minimal. Might want to pull the battery in the trunk and just make sure it's clean under there. That is a possible trouble area.

Lots of knowledgable people here to help fix any issues and a lot of parts are still avaliable online or thru your MB dealer. Congrats and hope you can get the few issues fixed up.
 
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Exactly 1 year ago I travelled to N. Calif to pick up my 500e. It has taken me all this time to bring my story out to the open forum because I was not happy with how the transaction came down. I was embarrassed. I blamed myself for trusting the seller and beating myself up for it. The car that supposedly 'needs nothing' has cost me $12,000 of repairs and deferred maintenance thus far. Had I known I would have waited for a higher price example with lower mileage, or not have paid the sum I did.

When I arrived at the seller's place the red flags were there but I chose to ignore them. Strange how the romance of buying a car that supposedly had been gone through by a local MB dealer from front to back at a cost of over $16,000; driving it home on a 1000 mile trip, took on a life of its own. Driving home, in less than 50 miles I realized that I had taken on an unfinished project of the previous owner. He outright lied to me. I felt sick to be honest.

To his credit, in his 3 years’ ownership, money was spent on repairing transmission oil leaks, new tires, refinishing console wood, new windshield, new roof liner and repairing a stuck sunroof. However, he made himself sound like someone who spared no expense on the car, citing the reason for selling is the job was complete and boredom had set in.

Once I got over my anguish I carried on the process of returning this great automobile to its former glamour. What choice did I have? My expectations are high as I focus on exterior and interior details as well as mechanical performance. After 60 or so enhancements so far I believe the light is at the end of the tunnel. I still have to take apart the sunroof for overhaul, install new front rotors, pads and bearings. I have all the parts on hand. Finally, when the weather warms, I will also tackle a thorough exterior clay bar, polish, glaze and wax. This is what has been done so far, not in exact order:

Major service, new belts, hoses, plugs, rotor, and fluids. Wheel balance/alignment.
New rear SLS struts, accumulations and bushing kit. (1st red flag, knocking sound in trunk).
New rear trunk seal. (leaky trunk)
New Antenna upper/lower seal. (leaky trunk)
New water pump.
New hood insulation pad.
New horsehair pad for driver’s seat.
Major interior leather reconditioning (with leather product, over 20 coats so far).
New headlight doors.
New headlight lenses.
Repaired rear bumper left support bracket.
Repainted clear coat on roof due to peeling clear coat.
Replaced all missing or broken fasteners for lower body cladding on passenger side.
Replaced driver’s door card (old one have broken tabs and map pocket.
Re + re passenger front door card and repaired/replaced broken tabs.
New interior trim pieces for outside side mirrors.
Repaired CD changer.
Balanced driveshaft.
Replaced carrier bearing and flex disks.
Replaced one defective Conti tire. (took a long time but it’s what caused vibration).
Wheel balance again.
Replaced A and B pillar trims on passenger side.
Repaired C pillar trim on passenger side. (bad head liner repair from previous).
Replaced rear shelf speaker grilles. (broken tabs)
Replaced driver’s left side seat belt. (old one did not retract).
New front grille surround. (rock ding on old one).
New seal for grille.
Replaced missing fasteners for trunk liner.
Repaired light bulb monitoring module. (caused intermittent outages of 2 lamps).
New Sissal carpet mats.
New Front boot covers (front shocks).
New exhaust hanger donuts.
New MB battery.
Replaced all 3 rear ashtrays. (all had chips/cracks).
New door check straps for front.
New plastic strip for securing rear door seal on passenger side.
Readjusted striker on rear door (wasn't closing properly).
New leather shifter knob. (old one chewed up by dog).
Replaced plastic window and cradle from shifter unit.
Repaired driver’s power seat. (broken cable)
Repaired passenger side power mirror.
Replaced broken plastic seat trims on both front seats.
New headlight switch.
Replaced dash air vents.
Repair sunroof wind deflector.
New sunroof seal.
AC service.

I can say that it’s been 2 steps forward and 1 step back for much of the way. For example, soon after the major service that included belts and flushing of radiator, the water pump gave out, stranded me 100 miles from home. Then it was the hours of labour to re+re the pump, repeated labour to go into the same area.

I am pleased to say the car is vibration and rattle free after all this work. Having owned a W124 300e for many years I know these cars are vault like solid, smooth and should have a rattle free interior. I guess chasing down all the broken plastic tabs has paid off dividends. Finally!

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I agree, as well. The main thing is that the car is coming up to the standard that YOU want it to be at. I can imagine the financial hit you have taken/are taking, but honestly you know the car is being taken care of the right way and to a high standard, and that's what matters.

Remember that we are only care-takers of these cars for a short period. We should strive to maintain and improve them while enjoying them. Every thing you fix or improve should give you a small, and cumulative, sense of satisfaction. And remember, every improvement/fix adds value to the car if/should you decide to sell it down the road.

Thanks for posting your story. There is definitely nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed about. I'd venture to guess that many if not most folks here have made buying decisions they initially regretted, but in the long term panned out.

Cheers,
Gerry
 
I agree, as well. The main thing is that the car is coming up to the standard that YOU want it to be at. I can imagine the financial hit you have taken/are taking, but honestly you know the car is being taken care of the right way and to a high standard, and that's what matters.

Remember that we are only care-takers of these cars for a short period. We should strive to maintain and improve them while enjoying them. Every thing you fix or improve should give you a small, and cumulative, sense of satisfaction. And remember, every improvement/fix adds value to the car if/should you decide to sell it down the road.

Thanks for posting your story. There is definitely nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed about. I'd venture to guess that many if not most folks here have made buying decisions they initially regretted, but in the long term panned out.

Cheers,
Gerry

+1 with Gerry!

Stephen
 
Anybody who has bought and sold older cars has been there and done that.

Hopefully, it's a learning process. I am going through something similar with a 93 Land Cruiser I bought last November. Repairs and mechanical refurb is already running $6000 and I haven't begun cosmetics.

If you're keeping the car, and you like what it's going to eventually be, then take pride in the work you have done and will do. It's a worthy car, and your pics look good
 
+1, My first 500E was not well bought, and I dumped $10k into it trying to get it up and running.
Felt foolish, BUT have been enjoying the RIDE ever since with a big smile on my face.
Still drives better than most other "newer" cars!
 
+6 Many folks that like to own older / specialty cars have been bitten by one or more. The satisfaction comes after your care in knowing the car is finally sorted. Take pride in the accomplishment. I imagine you would feel sour had you given up on yours.

drew
 
Thanks for your kind responses. Thanks to all the folks here from whom I have learned and gotten tips during this past year. A special shout out to Dave Hendy who has helped me source some very nice replacement parts. My expectations have been met each time with his descriptions of condition etc.
 
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"I was embarrassed. I blamed myself and beating myself up for it. The car that supposedly 'needs nothing' has cost me $12,000 of repairs and deferred maintenance thus far."

YOU’RE NOT ALONE! This is what happens to almost everybody almost every time, seemingly regardless of his knowledge or experience. The seller probably wasn’t deliberately lying to you, either. He likely convinced himself that all was well, just as you did.

"When I arrived at the seller's place the red flags were there, but I chose to ignore them.
I realized that I had taken on an unfinished project of the previous owner. I felt sick to be honest."

You think it's bad with a car? Do the EXACT SAME THING with a house. Ask me how I know...

"Once I got over my anguish I carried on the process of returning this great automobile to its former glamour. What choice did I have?"

Acceptance. The last stage. Finally, slowly, it gets better from here.

Thanks for sharing. Your car is awesome, and getting better all the time...

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My commitment, and it covers a lot — cars, homes, businesses, people, even internet chat rooms — is that it’ll be better when I leave than when I found it. It sounds like you’re the same way, Sam.

All of mine were peach when I bought them, and are better now — 7, 8, 9 and 11 years later.

It means being judicious and fastidious, but I like it that way — balanced.

Cheers to you and your three automotive “kids”.

maw
 
Sam SL, you have a lovely collection there!

I agree with what everyone has expressed here. There hasn't been a "sale" in recorded history that hasn't led to disappointment. Whether an elected official "winning" an election "Oh gee, this country/city/state/municipality is in worse shape than I thought --- time to blame my predecessors" or a CxO "winning" the "coveted" title of "leader of the company," (Oh man, this company is in dire straits) --- or purchasing houses or cars, it is all the same.

This is particularly acute for us because this board is gathering point for us, a motley crew of OCD misfits.

For what its worth, every single car I have every purchased has always had disappointment built in --- new cars included. Whether it is poor condition of a used-car-subsystem, or poor engineering of a new car's XYZ feature --- every car has had disappointment.

As well, every property I've ever bought has had disappointment built in. I'm currently involved in rehabbing a property (as Klink alludes to above) now. The costs are frightening. Its just the way us OCD types are.

Don't sweat the folks that crow "I bought a car that was advertised as mint and I stole it for the price I paid!!!!" ---- people only ever boast (and embellish) their wins - never their losses.

Cheers.
 
It's coming up to the 3 years anniversary date of my 500E. I am highly attached to the car now and getting more fond of it as time passes. I am repeatedly reminded of its unique qualities every time I climb behind the wheel. I am also happy to say that I've caught up with completing all the little and big things I wanted to do. I just bought a Bissell portable carpet washer/cleaner and that will be the next thing, clean the charcoal colour carpet that probably is hiding years of dirt. Since my 018 update this is what I have done in past 24 months:

Completed the set of owner's manuals
Added new decals to ledge of trunk opening
Added alarm decal to real window
Overhauled/sunroof with new pads/stops
Complete new grille
New headlight doors
New hood star
Pia 9006 bulbs
New fasteners for the roof moulding
New check straps for both front doors and the seals
New brake rotors, Akebono pads and wheel bearings
Data card from Gerry
New thermostat
Added cool harness but car runs cool since new thermostat
Completed tool kit roll
Fixed spare tire cover
Replaced washer fluid tank screw-on lid
Replaced climate control unit to have nicer looking push buttons
Added flip-top centre armrest
Installed new strut and straps in armrest
Re-sealed Power Steering box
Serviced fuel line venting
Upgraded centre storage roll-top box (old one had upholstery lifting from edges)
New odometer gears and bulbs in instrument cluster

I took these pictures earlier this week. Will do more when weather improves again. Thanks to all who have helped and supported me through the past 3 years.
 

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Those are some great photos there. Wasn't there a photo contest? Car looks great and I love the black interior. My car is same outside color with the gray interior. I have warmed up to it but prefer the black, The wood on the interior looks great. Mine is due for removal and polishing.
 
Very nice to see a car that is in such fantastic shape with a minimum of molestations.
Can you detail what was involved with the servicing of the fuel line venting? I suspect mine may need something similar. My symptoms are that sometimes when I open the fuel cap after a long period of driving, I hear the WHOOSH of air rushing into the fuel tank.
 
Indeed very pretty photos of a pretty car the way it was meant to bo. Stock wheels, and amber corners make it look whole - in my eyes.
 
After years of being tucked away in the garage, out of sight and out of mind, I unpacked a Becker #1432 head unit that was removed from my 1991 300E back in the day when it only had 11,000 kilometres from new. As I was unpacking it, it was like finding $20 bills in the pocket of a jacket I haven't worn for a long time. What does it say about aging (or wisdom) when I get excited re-installing a factory head unit when 28 years ago I was so thrilled to have a flashy Clarion 4 x 50 watts deck instead. LOL! I was already running a #1432 in the 500 but this one has sentimental value and perfect fresh buttons. All this excitement prompted me to have the 2 amps rebuilt and now I have spares. 20200505-Count-5.jpg20200505-Count-9.jpg
 
So lovely!!! With the * button looking good too! And you have a still operational CD player! You inspired me to take my own picture.
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I do like the brighter sound with less bass. Even though all the treble bars are showing it is not maxed out as I'm 2 clicks from that.
You know one thing that is completely not intuitive (and also endearing) is the fact that bass/treble button pushes and bars-on-the-display do not have a one to one correlation. I think it is 2-button-pushes equals one GUI-bar. Which makes it maddening if you want to even everything out because you're like "Am I one invisible bar / one push in, or have I not yet pushed the button but already seeing the bar?!?!?" Luckily Becker made an even more arcane easter egg to solve this maddening bit of UI silliness by making it so that you can push BOTH treble and bass buttons at the same time, which would tell the unit to instantly go flat bass/treble.
 
I believe it is 3 clicks per bar and then when it is maxed out at either end the clicks move it the opposite direction. @Jlaa, how do you fit 52 tracks onto a single CD?
 
I believe it is 3 clicks per bar and then when it is maxed out at either end the clicks move it the opposite direction.

Oh man I even have it wrong!!!! So confusing!!!!! Especially when you do the u-turn ... because click M-1 .... and then 3 clicks at max ... and then u-turn .... and then three more clicks .... and then you are back to click M-1 on the display!
 
I believe it is 3 clicks per bar and then when it is maxed out at either end the clicks move it the opposite direction. @Jlaa, how do you fit 52 tracks onto a single CD?
I am not using a CD changer. I am using a Yatour CD changer emulator which allows me to play music files via SD card, USB drive, 1/8" aux in, or Bluetooth over the BE1432. When I do not have a SD card or USB drive plugged in, the Yatour just tells the becker to show "52 tracks" .... and since I'm using Bluetooth most of the time, I just let it show "52 tracks."
 
You guys are on the bleeding edge of a new trend to re-install "retro-Becker" OG OE ICE equipment. All of those tens of thousands of guys who threw their Beckers in the ditch over the years, and threw in head units that allow you to do everything including playing Space Invaders on them, are now going to start rueing the day they did that. All because of you guys. You watch -- it'll be all over Banzworld within a year!

Fortunately for me, I've got six 1492 and 1692 spares in the basement, as well as two 980s (560SEC upgrade). Because, Honch.

@gsxr is really going to be upset when working 1432s start going for more money than E500E Yurro headlight lenses, and he threw away all of his hated Beckers over the years. Someday, gsxr will be lamenting the "good old days" of owning a W123 with the sweet sound of a factory Becker 754.......
 
Nah, but I may be kicking myself for leaving all those 1432's in the junkyard! All my 1492's are on the shelf. The cars have TrafficPros of some sort.

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Nah, but I may be kicking myself for leaving all those 1432's in the junkyard! All my 1492's are on the shelf. The cars have TrafficPros of some sort.


TrafficPro BE1432* / BE1492

I like the Traffic Pros. They have good functionality, good displays with correct dash lighting, and, if you get the right chassis, you can get one with a tape deck. I have one in another car.

However my only criticism with Traffic Pros are that the aesthetics are very curvy/circular. Its like that time in the early 2000s again when Ford went crazy and made that Ovoid Ford Taurus where everything was circular or oval. The whole world was going oval at that time.

BTW they OEMed the Traffic Pros to many car brands --- BMW, Ferrari, Land Rover, Ford, Porsche, etc. Kinda the "last gasp" of Becker as a mobile car audio company in my view.....


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A faint gas smell developed around the fuel door area and fumes were coming from underneath the car. As the odor got progressively stronger over several weeks I traced the problem to a fuel leak from the upper pump at the base of one of the electrical terminals. Today I replaced both pumps with Czech made Bosch units. IMG_2067.JPG
 
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After replacement of the fuel pumps to correct a leak that persisted with or without the engine running, I detected yet more fuel smell. This time from the engine bay area upon shut off of engine. The faint smell turned out to be a malfunctioning fuel pressure regulator. The origin of this smell was difficult to detect prior to the pump repair due to the more overwhelming vapour smell from the dripping pump leak. Today I replaced the regulator and all is well. Bonus, the car is idling smoother. The old non working regulator allowed raw gas into the intake manifold. Because it happened over time I did not notice except for gas fume smell. IMG_2324.JPGIMG_2323.JPG
 
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As 021 comes to a close what's next for 022? This past year I sold my Corgi Toy collection, 95 E320 Cab and 97 SL 500. Selling decision was based on level of enjoyment, the 500E and Carrera are still the most special to drive. Since Mar/20 here is an update of work performed on the 500:

Replaced both distributor dust shields
Modified distributor cap by adding slits for ventilation
Had both amps rebuilt by Becker Sound
New Bosch fuel pumps
Replaced fuel pressure regulator
Installed staggered AMG Monoblocks
New Michelin Pilot 3S tires
Roadforce balancing
Reconditioned interior leather with Leathrique 2step process
New camshaft seals
New chain tensioner
New valve cover gaskets
New various hoses

Replaced HVAC water auxiliary pump
New engine mounts
New coolant reservoir tank
Wrapped headlight doors, headlight lenses and foglight lenses
Repainted front bumper and impact trim
Repainted rear bumper impact trim
Replaced air inlet duct on passenger side

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My annual summary of work done to the 500 this past year of 022:

  • New air charge sensor [IAT, Intake Air Temperature] and installed bracket clip for headlight cover. Clip was never there while old sensor just dangled in engine compartment.
  • Refreshed several pushbuttons in climate control unit which now looks pristine.
  • Replaced high pressure fuel hose by fuel pumps.
  • Installed kit to have late style drain back valve in oil filter housing which fixed noisy chain tensioner at cold start up when car sits for days/weeks.
  • Installed rear mount for transmission.
  • Oil and filter change.

I drove the car a little over 1000 miles in 022. Still my favourite ride. Here are phone photos of random outings with the fam during the year:
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