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Contemplating the Cabriolets

Perhaps the wrong spot for this, but is anyone aware if the 129s were ‘cheapened’ out as their production run went along? I think I have heard this, but only notionally. No facts or data.
 
Nothing that I've heard of, other than the switch to M113 for the SL500 as of 1999. The M113 is a durable/reliable motor, but not as... "exciting" as the M119.

:jono:
 
Perhaps the wrong spot for this, but is anyone aware if the 129s were ‘cheapened’ out as their production run went along? I think I have heard this, but only notionally. No facts or data.

You hear that BS on BW from people who claim that because the sticker on the door said Daimler Chrysler, it's somehow a lesser car. The later cars got more modern styling and much bigger brakes. Plastic interior bits seem to fall the same way in every model year.
 
This one is still in my saved list on Cargurus. Been on the market for six months. Price reduced to $15000.

I thought somebody would have jumped on it given the apparent condition and rarity.
Further proof that rarity <> desirability.

UNLESS, you put it on BaT... a month later, a reasonable comp sold for $20500 (all in).

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1...edition-1-of-250-sl320-40th-ann-made-97-only/

If you don't care for "special" R129s with questionable interiors... then definitely skip this post.


https://www.sheltonclassics.com/vehicles/274/1997-mercedes-benz-sl-320

1997 "40th Anniversary" SL320
45000 miles
$18000

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https://www.datamb.com/vin/Yz6Xk2R4kPad1xjL9

That's DESIGNO-BLUE - METALLIC (012O) a/k/a Quartz Blue with Royal maple wood work.



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Nice find Ace10. Stay on the case and keep finding these classics! Haha.

The SL320's are the 6 cylinder engine?
 
This one is still in my saved list on Cargurus. Been on the market for six months. Price reduced to $15000.

I thought somebody would have jumped on it given the apparent condition and rarity.
Further proof that rarity <> desirability.

UNLESS, you put it on BaT... a month later, a reasonable comp sold for $20500 (all in).

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1...edition-1-of-250-sl320-40th-ann-made-97-only/


Received an email update this weekend... price further lowered to $14k.

https://cargur.us/rRdyC

Assuming this could be had for 12.5K AND BaT acceptance, this could be easy money on a flip.:fun:
 
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This one is still in my saved list on Cargurus. Been on the market for six months. Price reduced to $15000.

I thought somebody would have jumped on it given the apparent condition and rarity.
Further proof that rarity <> desirability.

UNLESS, you put it on BaT... a month later, a reasonable comp sold for $20500 (all in).

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1...edition-1-of-250-sl320-40th-ann-made-97-only/

Received an email update this weekend... price further lowered to $14k.

Assuming this could be had for 12.5K AND BaT acceptance, this could be easy money on a flip.:fun:


Cargurus must think I really need this one.

https://cargur.us/rRdyC

Another email this morning with (yet) another price cut.

Now priced at $12995.
 
A bargain with lots of needs:

"1994 Mercedes Convertible - $2200 (Fredericksburg)
1994 Mercedes Convertible. Engine in great condition, 109,000 miles. New tires. Mechanically good. Needs interior work. No body work other than needs complete paint job. Soft top needs some hydraulic work. Please email: MattHaney1963@gmail.com
109kmi​
WDBEA66E6RC029814 "

https://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/cto/d/fredericksburg-1994-mercedes-convertible/6928425050.html

Datacard: https://www.datamb.com/vin/Grj0VEMxgBkdOlM4n

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Hadn't done any meaningful searching for A124's in quite a while...

IMO, there are a lot on the market, and prices appear to have take a step or two backward.

This one looks really clean. Not the lowest Odo ever, but owner appears to have treated this one well.


1994 Mercedes-Benz E320 Cabriolet
Location: Gainesville, Georgia, 30506
Mileage: 70,800
Transmission: Auto
Condition: Excellent
Exterior: Black
Interior: Tan

Seller’s Description:
1994 Mercedes-Benz E320 Cabriolet, Extremely rare E320 Cabriolet. Low miles. Last of the hand built Mercedes, over $85k when new. This is a 2 owner car in amazing condition. Sold new by RBM Atlanta and has been in Atlanta all its life. Always garaged, never in an accident, rarely driven in rain, always hand washed. Just replaced all hydraulics for convertible top, also has new wiring harness. Completely original except for the radio, but still have the original. These are hard to find, especially in this condition. Such a sexy, classy, fun to drive cabriolet. Always a head turner!

Price: $16,900

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That's about market price, or at least what it was a couple of years ago. I almost got same and would have save for getting divorced back in 2016. If decently maintained, $15K for a 60-80K car is right on the money. And as I've said many times, one of the best investments (if you intend to hold it and drive/enjoy it) in MBs that's out there. Not that many cabs were made.
 
Another A124 which appears to have been treated well.


1994 E320 Cabriolet

Year: 1994
Model: E320
Exterior Color: green
Interior Color: beige
Body: Convertible
Mileage: 62,000
Contact: Peter Roston
State: Florida
Phone: (416)409-7009

Green/Tan 62k miles, wiring harness, top hydraulics, engine oil seal and other maintenance items done. Everything works, runs like new. Garage kept in Florida. Car Fax. Asking $16,500 or B.O

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I inspected the E320 Cab in Gainesville, GA last week for my older brother who lives in Tampa and is in the market for an A124.

The hydraulic cylinders were done by a local shop (not sure whose cylinders were used) and the upper wiring harness was purportedly done (did not verify as I was not going to recommend further inspection at Jono's shop). I drove the car and did a decent walkaround. Although the CarFax is clear, the car looks to have had significant re-paint. I noted paint lines in the door jamb on the P side. Both sides had several door dings/dents from parking or a tight garage. They could probably all be taken care of with a long PDR session, but they are unattractive. The paint is well waxed and smooth - an above average paint finish. I noted the small plastic cover on the rear hard cover (with the top down) is missing. The interior is overall very nice. On the drive I noted a little shimmy in the front, but nothing horrendous. I can say the owners are VERY motivated to sell this car. It is listed for $19,500 or so, but I would bet $15k would take it. Wealthy guys own the car. This car would need extensive PDR and some front suspension refresh and certainly an alignment. No records on the M104 head gasket or timing chain work being done. Would be a relatively low mileage nice driver that could be had with $5k of deferred maintenance for < $20k.

My brother is looking for a 30-60k mileage 94-95 A124 that has had the big items addressed (harness, ETA, cylinders, head gasket) done, with original paint and nice cosmetics. He is willing to spend $22-$24k for the right car. I have looked at all the cars available publicly. Mac is looking at a 95 in Sarasota with 39k miles that may be the one. If anyone has other leads, ping me. Prefer a car I can go see, but will take a member's PPI and tons of pics/records.

Al
 
Perhaps the wrong spot for this, but is anyone aware if the 129s were ‘cheapened’ out as their production run went along? I think I have heard this, but only notionally. No facts or data.
My neighbor-lady has two black R129s. An earlier one (which I think is a 300SL) and a later M113 SL500. She MUCH MUCH MUCH prefers the early one ---- she raps her knuckles on various body panels and always tells me the earlier one is built better.
 
Here's an M120 R129 that appears to be flying below the radar on Ebay.

No Reserve, under 50K miles and a Pano top. Opening bid is untouched at $12K.


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The presentation is poor, but from what can be seen, the condition appears to be about average.

The car sold at Palm Beach B-J auction in 2012 for $22K

 
Another M120 R129 on ebay.


55K miles. Appears to be one owner. Smoke silver. Aftermarket radio. Chrome wheels. Appears to be poorly repainted bumpers.

Pics are pretty much worthless..

$17000 or offer.

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The MBCA classifieds always crack me up. If anyone should know the value of MBs, it is MB owners. Seems like a lot of old codgers who think their cars are something "special" and they deserved to be paid better-than-top-dollar for their "special" cars. No one should EVER use the MBCA classifieds as a gauge of market value of any MB.
 
This early SL600 on BaT has been the subject of some mildly spicy discussion.


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The car lived most of its life near Austin TX and then was moved to FL a few years ago. It's being offered by a SoFL dealer.

The cluster suffers from a bad case of the DDD. And, the recent itemized service invoice lists a significant number of electrical/electronic and cosmetic items.
 
I do have a real soft spot for the R129. I think it all started with the Adina Howard video. I was 21 at the time and didnt have a clue what she was talking about but she sung about dogs and R129's so it got my thumbs up I now I own four.
 
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The SL600 on BaT went RNM at $42K, all-in.

The peanut gallery tried their best, I suppose.
 
The SL600 on BaT went RNM at $42K, all-in. The peanut gallery tried their best, I suppose.
I'm a little surprised it didn't go higher. Might just be the time of year... Black Friday looming, etc.

:pc1:
 
I'm a little surprised it didn't go higher. Might just be the time of year... Black Friday looming, etc.

:pc1:

Curious if you looked over the itemized service invoice?

I fully admit not knowing enough about the R129 to formulate a definitive opinion, but some of those things don't seem to be consistent with a low mile, dry Mercedes.

Speaking to the Headlight switch, seat control unit, head unit, amplifier, floor mats, ASR fuse($600?).

Edit: Further, the DDD on the cluster seems odd for 20+ year resident of the Austin area. Surely the 2nd owner would have properly stored the car in FL in order to prevent the problem if it were not already present, no? And if it went to FL clean, could DDD have popped up in 2 or 3 years?
 
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Some of that stuff can just be electronics that were not happy sitting, unused, possibly with no voltage, for years. But yeah, it is a little strange. Then again, super low mile cars that are rarely driven can have weird problems. The invoice was a bit short on details, which I didn't like.

DDD... still don't really know the root cause, but even the in-famous Ron's 8kmi 500E had the same problem when he bought it. Has to be related to long-term parking in either humid areas, or somewhere the humidity levels fluctuate more drastically than the majority of the USA.

:scratchchin:
 

Mercedes Benz Classic 1967 300se Cabriolet - $290000 (Surprise AZ)

1967 W112 300SE Cabriolet
300SE/SEL Sedan/Coupe/Cabrio (1961-1967)
Details:
1967 300SE Cabriolet This extremely rare auto is made doubly so by virtue of the fact that it was built for IAA Frankfurt show of September of 1967 as the example of the new styling and safety features which would be made standard for the 1968 model year. Listed on the Produktion-Auftrag 1 as a zu997 code Standwagen it was on display in Hall 5 Stand 805 of the International Automobile Ausstellung (IAA) Frankfurt. (If anyone has photos of this display please contact me about them.) Extensive chroming of parts, polish of aluminum intake, and black painted valve cover are testament to the extensive show prep the factory did to this auto for the show. New safety upgrades to all the upper class autos for 1968 are in use on this rare example of the last of the line with steering column, dash and softening of interior features to protect the driver and passengers in case of accident. The upgrades in safety are numerous and clearly meant to be used on the new year model 1968 which they did not officially produce in the 300 line for this model.
Rarity is a factor in Auto Collecting and values.
The 708 300SE Cabriolets produced over six years are about twice as rare as the 300SL Gullwing Coupe of which 1400 were produced over approximately 3 years. The 708 300SE Cabriolets produced over six years are about two and a half times more rare than the 300SL Roadster of which there were 1858 produced during the 7 years of production. Taking these numbers into account and the production figures for 1967 of 253 coupes and cabriolets together on the 300 line for 1967. Then calculate the number of Cabriolets at what was about 23% to 25% of that number and it is likely there were only about 53 Cabriolets made in 1967 on the 300 line. As we see this is an extremely rare automobile just as a 1967 added to this the rarity of being built for the Frankfurt show and produced with the 1968 safety and styling features for that show it is a truly unique piece of automobile history.
I am taking offers and would like to sell in the area of $290,000. The auto currently has 81,094 kilometers on the odometer. Which does change slightly from time to time.
Please note the documents in the photo section. One shows that this auto was a Standwagen destination Frankfurt IAA the other is the build sheet.
The photo of the Black steering wheel is from a photo of Don Ricardo's 1968 600 for comparison of dash and steering to the Standwagen 300SE.

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Those wheels :pc1:
 

The first one I’ve ever seen listed for sale in the U.S. Of course it would be in FL. I’ve only ever seen one on the roads, and that was in Costa Mesa, CA.

Reportedly, only 100 of the 1500 Silver Arrow R129 cars were V12 600’s, and a bunch of those were sold to the Sultan of Brunei, some to become SL73. But I’ve never seen even a picture of a Silver Arrow SL73.

It’ll be interesting to see what is brings at this time.

maw
 

The first one I’ve ever seen listed for sale in the U.S. Of course it would be in FL. I’ve only ever seen one on the roads, and that was in Costa Mesa, CA.

Reportedly, only 100 of the 1500 Silver Arrow R129 cars were V12 600’s, and a bunch of those were sold to the Sultan of Brunei, some to become SL73. But I’ve never seen even a picture of a Silver Arrow SL73.

It’ll be interesting to see what is brings at this time.

maw

$40k hammer... some may think there’s money to be made in the car. I think not. Off the wall, I think the R230 with its folding roof sent these quietly. Why pay for the privilege of storing an extra roof, pano or not? Both systems seem a bit needy, so why not get the automatic roof?

Admittedly not the best example but all fixable issues.

maw
 
Last year (a few pages back in this thread) we did a whole series of posts on SA's both M119 and M120.
 
A fairly priced A124 on MBCA?


1995 Mercedes E320 Cabriolet
Year:1995
Model: E320 Cabriolet
Exterior Color:White
Interior Color: Gray
Body: Convertible
Mileage:64,000
Contact:Richard DeWert
State: Ohio
Phone:513-378-0403
Email: richarddewert@gmail.com

Nice Mercedes E320. White exterior, gray interior. Interior good condition. 64k miles, new radio, original radio included, regular oil changes, newer tires, great driver. $13,900.


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A fairly priced A124 on MBCA?


1995 Mercedes E320 Cabriolet
Year:1995
Model: E320 Cabriolet
Exterior Color:White
Interior Color: Gray
Body: Convertible
Mileage:64,000
Contact:Richard DeWert
State: Ohio
Phone:513-378-0403
Email: richarddewert@gmail.com

Nice Mercedes E320. White exterior, gray interior. Interior good condition. 64k miles, new radio, original radio included, regular oil changes, newer tires, great driver. $13,900.


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I find it really interesting that MBCA has chosen to keep their classified ad section so 'quaint'. It really does target a different type of seller, and maybe that is a good thing.
 
This one went No Reserve. Consignment sale.


Car certainly had needs, but looked like a reasonable starting point. Seller appeared to give just a tiny bit more than zero f**ks about getting a decent number for the car's owner.


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Sold for $8800 all in. Ouch.
 
Car certainly had needs, but looked like a reasonable starting point. Seller appeared to give just a tiny bit more than zero f**ks about getting a decent number for the car's owner.

Sold for $8800 all in. Ouch.
I've seen worse sellers, lol! And the price seems decent given the issues and lack of options. M113 motorvation doesn't help. Dunno if you'd get much more if it was up to par. @LWB250?
 
IMOP, It’s not the most attractive color combo (to me rather blah) plus it has the worst looking wheels MB put on the SL and the under powered M113 engine.

What’s to like?
 
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That was a really weird auction.

The car sold pretty well as later is always better in an R129, although there are R129 enthusiasts who say the M113 is not as "good" as the M119. I've never had this quantified for me so I'm merely parroting what I've heard around the various R129 groups/forums. I've got an M113 in my ML500 and it seems like a good engine to me, much like the M112 as far as simplicity and reliability.

I'm a bit mystified as to why the hydraulics were replaced recently yet don't work. The vagueness of this statement makes things a little sketchy. Did they not replace everything? Did someone botch the replacement? Is there another issue, like a bad pump? So many possibilities...manual operation of the top is possible, but it's also a good way to bodge up a couple of microswitches that are critical to automatic operation. Failure of these is usually the result of operating the top manually.

I think it would have done a little better had everything been working and the headliner repaired. That's criminal, as headliner R&R in an R129 is a 30 minute job, maybe an hour if you really slog it. Top on the storage rack, trim on two sides and front, slide the whole thing out. Really simple.

Dan
 
M113 is reliable and robust, but leans slightly more to the "appliance" side than the M119. At least normally aspirated. Both are good engines though. As you noted, it's just an M112 with two extra holes tacked on.

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Lower ball joints and brake rotor replacement on a 5000 mile car? And two a/c pressure switch replacements within a year?
Nice colors and options on that car. But another rerun? Bid to $30k last year, no sale?

Front lower ball joints cannot be replaced separately on these cars. If bad (which should be impossible at 5kmi), replacing the ball joints would requires complete new control arms. Given the surface rust along the LCA seam, I'm guessing they maybe replaced the ball joint rubber boot, if they did anything at all. Those clearly are NOT brand-new LCA's.

Rust might have gotten to the brake rotors also. Years in NJ and Florida beaches could do that. Owner-supplied rotors may not be OE.

Now, the invoice for ball joints shows p/n 2700-67944, which turns up... API (Autopart Int'l) ball joints for early R129. It is OOS everywhere, but was $6.99 at PartsGeek, or $16 on eBay. That's right, junk parts, that physically can not fit on the car, and are not in the photo. And the shop nailed the owner $450 labor for work never performed. Niiiice. Beware Autohaus Schmid in Burlingame.

:bs: :thumbsdown:

:watchdrama:

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V8 R129's taking a bit of a nose dive?

Hammered for ~$13500 all in.



After selling (not selling) three months ago for ~$17000 all in


Or is the stink of a deadbeat bidder *that* hard to shake?
 
Why did BaT allow re-listing? Thought that was verboten.
 
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