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Bring a Trailer (BaT) Auctions: Worth Listing Your Car or Not?
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Here's one for @ace10 to disassemble:
1991 Porsche 944 S2
Interesting commentary on the multiple sales over the last year or two.
Dan
1991 Porsche 944 S2
Interesting commentary on the multiple sales over the last year or two.
Dan
I like that one of the POs spent $15K on a massive service. Including resealing leaks. Only to return to that shop a year later and have them slap RTV on a leak.
Eesh. Remind me never to mess with entry-level Porsche.
#MoneyPit
The current seller's demeanor isn't playing well. And his history shows 1 Sale and 4 RNMs.
Exactly. I was very confused by the repair history. I believe I saw timing chain or camshaft "pads" replaced in less than 2,000 miles over a relatively short period. What's that about?
Dan
Here is the 5 speed sportline car from Dave Hendy I mentioned a little while back. Proper driving car!
1992 Mercedes-Benz 300-Series E | eBay
1992 Mercedes-Benz 300-Series E | eBay
Interesting bidding patterns and results on this one...
No Reserve: 1986 Mercedes-Benz 300E 5-Speed
Bid for the chance to own a No Reserve: 1986 Mercedes-Benz 300E 5-Speed at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #34,154.bringatrailer.com
I've parted out similar spec w124s here. Some with less miles too
Winner is buying up everything in sight. Over $1.5M in the past six weeks.
Odd (IMO) to see someone like that bidding directly on the lots using their real name:
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Winner is buying up everything in sight. Over $1.5M in the past six weeks.
Odd (IMO) to see someone like that bidding directly on the lots using their real name:
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It is saying that he has the car listed on MBCA classifieds for 350K
That dude is smoking crack. Shame, because he can obviously afford much better drugs.
A bunch of Evo2 sales are listed in this thread:
FS: 1990 190E 2.5-16 Cosworth EVO II Blauschwarz/Black, 59kkm (37kmi), Price ? (San Diego) | Off-Topic Discussions
No Affiliation VIN WDB2010361F736550 https://inventory.symbolicinternational.com/vehicles/161/1990-mercedes-benz-190e-evo-ii 1990 Mercedes Benz 190E COSWORTH 2.5-16 EVO II Ultra rare, pristinely preserved, conserved and cared for original Cosworth EVO II! Number 208...
He's just fishing for another sucker who hates money. Hey, if he can flip it and pocket $100k, wow... more power to him. I think he will own it for a long time if he wants to sell for a profit.
How’she doing that? car is still in Europe.
The want is REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY strong on this one.
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No Reserve: 14k-Mile 1996 Chevrolet 2500 HD Extended Cab
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- Beautiful photography
- Nostalgia, Nostalgia, Nostalgia
- Like a Rock
- This was back when everything in the world made sense .... and I understood it.
- The world was not on fire (ok just west coast of Canada and USA)
- Like a Rock
BaT Market Snapshot: September 2020  We're back with another market snapshot to update you on our latest month of auctions! We listed 1,370 vehicles in September with a sale rate of 79%. Here are some highlights:                |
Has anyone else noticed/experienced this:
Sellers on BaT who are uploading photos every day or even several times a day? These aren't requested photos, or anything particularly useful.. just a BS way to game the BaT email notification system.
Seems like it's happened in 1/4 to 1/3 of the auctions I've been following for past couple of months. Seller who do it, earn an "un follow" from me.
Goddamn BaT spam... just what I needed.
Also noticing more sellers flat-out ignoring questions posted in the peanut gallery.
Sellers on BaT who are uploading photos every day or even several times a day? These aren't requested photos, or anything particularly useful.. just a BS way to game the BaT email notification system.
Seems like it's happened in 1/4 to 1/3 of the auctions I've been following for past couple of months. Seller who do it, earn an "un follow" from me.
Goddamn BaT spam... just what I needed.
Also noticing more sellers flat-out ignoring questions posted in the peanut gallery.
Yup. I did notice that, and would do it myself if I ever sell another car on HaT. But, I would at least try to make the additional photos / videos useful, not BS. The system does not reward sellers who do all their work up front and have proper content from Day 1. And there's no other way to generate discussion without asking your buddies to post some random question daily. (Or, finding something to post yourself periodically; but that doesn't generate an email to all watchers like new photos/videos).
That's just stupid on the seller's part. Or dealers who simply don't care. It may cost them a sale, or a lower price on a no-reserve listing.
This asshole pushed me over the edge.
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1988 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ62
Bid for the chance to own a 1988 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ62 at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #41,253.
Hmmm.... Idaho ....This asshole pushed me over the edge.
1988 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ62
Bid for the chance to own a 1988 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ62 at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #41,253.
I don't see why you hate the emails. They are easy to delete. Unless you are watching dozens of auctions, then yeah, it would be a nuisance. I only watch the occasional 124 so it's not a big deal for me. At least you found the setting/preference to fix your problem though.
I generally have between five and twenty concurrent watches.I don't see why you hate the emails. They are easy to delete. Unless you are watching dozens of auctions, then yeah, it would be a nuisance. I only watch the occasional 124 so it's not a big deal for me. At least you found the setting/preference to fix your problem though.
My interests are relatively broad. And there are always a ton of old Toyota auctions.
The more I can control spam, the better.
1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II
At $100k with 3 days to go
1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II
Bid for the chance to own a 1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #41,006.
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I watch tons of auctions as well, similar to @ace10 ... but I summarily delete the additional photos emails... the only ones I pay attention to are the new listings (set to my preferences) and ending soon.
I will say, they are compiling quite the value database over there, especially for the Porsche and BMW crowds, where I've seen more E46M cars of all configurations move in the past 6 months than I ever thought possible. So I feel like I KNOW what those are worth on the market today. And from this site, I think I have a sense of what the E5E market feels like. My other two cars are too rare to have established markets. But if one formed any time soon for them, I'm sure BaT would have it covered.
maw
I will say, they are compiling quite the value database over there, especially for the Porsche and BMW crowds, where I've seen more E46M cars of all configurations move in the past 6 months than I ever thought possible. So I feel like I KNOW what those are worth on the market today. And from this site, I think I have a sense of what the E5E market feels like. My other two cars are too rare to have established markets. But if one formed any time soon for them, I'm sure BaT would have it covered.
maw
So this is one I don't understand...
No Reserve: Original-Owner 1985 Porsche 944 5-Speed
Not a bad car, necessarily, but the presentation seems really half-assed. The car is in need of a serious detailing and possibly paint correction. On top of that, the seller couldn't be bothered to take the time to vacuum the interior out, either?
If I had half a day with that car it would be near Dean-worthy with the exception of an undercarriage dry ice blasting.
Dan
No Reserve: Original-Owner 1985 Porsche 944 5-Speed
Not a bad car, necessarily, but the presentation seems really half-assed. The car is in need of a serious detailing and possibly paint correction. On top of that, the seller couldn't be bothered to take the time to vacuum the interior out, either?
If I had half a day with that car it would be near Dean-worthy with the exception of an undercarriage dry ice blasting.
Dan
Carter @GCFSB calling out shill bidding at C&B
Love it!
1990 Audi V8 quattro | German Cars For Sale Blog
From the dated underpinnings of the Type 44 chassis, Audi emerged in 1988 with an all-new 4-cam aluminum engine that could be mated to an
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C&B just seems like a Craigslist+. Nothing there is all that remarkable and its just a bunch of "meh" to me.
Also the results are pretty clear when it comes to higher end stuff. Same photos, same seller, same mileage. $32,000 more on BaT.
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Also the results are pretty clear when it comes to higher end stuff. Same photos, same seller, same mileage. $32,000 more on BaT.
2017 Aston Martin DB11 Launch Edition - ~1,700 Miles, 1 Owner, Nearly $27,000 in Optional Equipment
This 2017 Aston Martin DB11 Launch Edition is for sale on Cars & Bids! Auction ends December 11 2020.
1,700-Mile 2017 Aston Martin DB11 Launch Edition Coupe
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exactly... somewhere between ebay and BaT... if you’re a seller, BaT... if you’re a buyer, CnB... both have their fair share of cars I don’t care about... but options are good, seems to me... you can’t fight the Fed and win, but at least you can try.
maw
Join in the fun, guess where this BaT auction may end, and win some money (and maybe temporary respect from your peers) on the Price is Right:
Robert
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Robert
Why wouldn’t they want both cars to do well? Sometimes things are as irrational as they seem. Why give them so much credit? They may have just F’d up. Happens all the time.
maw
@maw1124 probably, however the previous 3 examples went RNM so why would they not be cautious enough to stagger the listings to give a better opportunity for them to sell?. It’s not like folks in the last 3 weeks are piling up bids fighting for the examples offered. Could have been a screw up but I have my doubts. Out of all 3 previous plus the 2 new listings and the salvage car being discussed in the forum at the moment I would still go with @RocketeerPerformance ’s car.
My offer of a new (group buy) 500E tunk badge stands if a long standing member ends up picking up that car.
We’ll see what happens in a few days.
My offer of a new (group buy) 500E tunk badge stands if a long standing member ends up picking up that car.
We’ll see what happens in a few days.
I think HaT did this on purpose / knowingly, with the overlapped listing. They likely felt that one car being of lower mileage and one car being of higher mileage would not overlap in terms of the buyer profile.
HaT also knows that the E500E has a passionate following, and relatively actively commented listings, so as said they can keep accepting them and racking up the listing fees.
My hypothesis is that HaT is MUCH more likely to accept cars that are NO RESERVE, and will list them MUCH sooner than cars with reserves, all other things being equal. If you have a reserve, then get to the back of the queue.
All this said, I think that it is VERY lame that HaT is overlapping the auctions for these cars. Considering that there were only 1,528 of them ever brought into the US, there just aren't that many out there. And to overlap them, that's not cool. It's obviously a different story with other cars where there were many thousands made.
It wasn't all that long ago that HaT was only running a couple or three dozen auctions at any one time. Now they're running many hundreds of auctions at any given time. This means less attention and less "give a shit" as long as fees are being collected, and the corporate overlords' profitability beast is being fed.
HaT also knows that the E500E has a passionate following, and relatively actively commented listings, so as said they can keep accepting them and racking up the listing fees.
My hypothesis is that HaT is MUCH more likely to accept cars that are NO RESERVE, and will list them MUCH sooner than cars with reserves, all other things being equal. If you have a reserve, then get to the back of the queue.
All this said, I think that it is VERY lame that HaT is overlapping the auctions for these cars. Considering that there were only 1,528 of them ever brought into the US, there just aren't that many out there. And to overlap them, that's not cool. It's obviously a different story with other cars where there were many thousands made.
It wasn't all that long ago that HaT was only running a couple or three dozen auctions at any one time. Now they're running many hundreds of auctions at any given time. This means less attention and less "give a shit" as long as fees are being collected, and the corporate overlords' profitability beast is being fed.
Yep: ^^^
And they also will decline rare cars with a reasonable reserve, because they prefer a guaranteed sale, and have more submissions than they have bandwidth to support. For some reason they seem to accept any 036 even with high reserves though.
Robert, was the E350 listed by a "known" seller, particularly a high-volume dealer? They will take almost anything from Dean or Wob, for example. Folks who list a car every other year better have something special and no reserve, during a lull in submissions.
Possibly Dave. Here is the link: No Reserve: 2008 Mercedes-Benz E350 4MATIC Wagon
The seller has listed a lot of cars but is no Dean. The other thing is that I was only looking for it to be accepted and not specifying when it would be listed.
Probably should not try to apply logic to this.
Robert
The seller has listed a lot of cars but is no Dean. The other thing is that I was only looking for it to be accepted and not specifying when it would be listed.
Probably should not try to apply logic to this.
Robert
Robert, that seller (link) has listed 112 vehicles in 21 months, for an average of 1.2 listings per week. BaH will take anything from them if it's not junk.
That particular wagon was quite nice, but sold for stupid
money IMO... $17k all-in, for a near-stripper 6-cylinder base wagon... whoooo. Eliminating the 2 bidding war participants, bidders 3 and 4 dropped out in the $13-14k range, which may be closer to real-world value, but still seems high for an optionless M272 that probably has a glass balance shaft.
That particular wagon was quite nice, but sold for stupid
money IMO... $17k all-in, for a near-stripper 6-cylinder base wagon... whoooo. Eliminating the 2 bidding war participants, bidders 3 and 4 dropped out in the $13-14k range, which may be closer to real-world value, but still seems high for an optionless M272 that probably has a glass balance shaft.
Looks like BaT is in the shipping game. Read-time GPS trackers on your new car...
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Hope they fix the Title/Listing desc. in this one. This does not sound like an E36, sounds like E320 and I highly doubt AMG put on some of these AMG parts (take a look at the pic of the brake & accelerator pedals....someone screwed onto the rubber some metal AMG ones....no way AMG Japan does anything like that).
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No Reserve: Japanese-Market 1995 Mercedes-Benz E320 Wagon
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@msq I went through this research for my car last year. There are no factory AMG pedals installed on any of the cars that I could find. The factory MB sport pedals which I installed in my car only cover gas pedal, brake pedal and ebrake pedal. The dead footrest pedal is not covered, that part does not exist as either an MB part or an AMG part that I could find anywhere. Also the MB pedals completely replace the factory black rubber pedals so there is no screwing on top. Rubber pedals come out and metal pedals slide in. Photo below of what I did for reference:
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