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Bring a Trailer (BaT) Auctions: Worth Listing Your Car or Not?
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Impeccable timing for a sale of an armored vehicle.. that also has electric shock door handles.
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Armored 2015 Mercedes-Benz G63 AMG
Bid for the chance to own a Armored 2015 Mercedes-Benz G63 AMG at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #32,415.
C’mon! How else will the baddies be able to tell which alley you’ve taken as they chase you across Marrakesh?
Do highly important people actually armor up G-wagens and use them for transport?
That sounds like the most ridiculously stupid idea ever. I can't think of a MORE conspicuous vehicle that screams "Shoot an RPG at me" than a murdered out, flat black wrapped G-wagen .... and of course TWO turbos on a V8 with MAX electronics all over the place to promote a MTBF of some critical system that can be measured in minutes ---- or conveniently whenever the next guy aims a Kornet ATGM at you.
This things feels like what a wanna-be-baddy-VIP would dream up as the ideal vehicle to ride around in.
In REALITY, I would bet that the best thing to armor up is some dead-simple bland looking thing with MINIMAL shit to break ... like a Chevy Surburban or a Toyo Land Cruiser.
I mean I love the idea of an 80s (The simpler era) G-wagen and I can appreciate how all those fake-it-until-you-make-it Hollywood types*** all roll around in modern G-wagens, but still ..... seems like the wrong vehicle to me.
***I met Jamie Foxx once at a gas station. We were both talking to the cashier about lotto tickets. He had pulled up in a G-wagen.
That sounds like the most ridiculously stupid idea ever. I can't think of a MORE conspicuous vehicle that screams "Shoot an RPG at me" than a murdered out, flat black wrapped G-wagen .... and of course TWO turbos on a V8 with MAX electronics all over the place to promote a MTBF of some critical system that can be measured in minutes ---- or conveniently whenever the next guy aims a Kornet ATGM at you.
This things feels like what a wanna-be-baddy-VIP would dream up as the ideal vehicle to ride around in.
In REALITY, I would bet that the best thing to armor up is some dead-simple bland looking thing with MINIMAL shit to break ... like a Chevy Surburban or a Toyo Land Cruiser.
I mean I love the idea of an 80s (The simpler era) G-wagen and I can appreciate how all those fake-it-until-you-make-it Hollywood types*** all roll around in modern G-wagens, but still ..... seems like the wrong vehicle to me.
***I met Jamie Foxx once at a gas station. We were both talking to the cashier about lotto tickets. He had pulled up in a G-wagen.
LoL! When I lived in Texas, I used to carry my WW2 MP40 in the door pocket of my 560SEC. Never had anyone fire at me so that I could return fire, though.
Probably just a very nice coincidence for the seller given the timeline. The death of George Floyd took place on May 25. BaT lead time is what, 2 weeks from submission?
I'm sure this truck has a lot more eyeballs on it now though.
Yep, I see PLENTY of armored black US government SUVs (generally Suburbans) trolling around DC and Maryland. The number of them in a caravan denotes the importance of the person(s) being transported. See many of them driving into and out of Fort Meade, MD (NSA headquarters) which is not very far from my house.
Looks like BAT is getting some competition:
From Gooding: Gooding & Company Announces Geared Online – New Online Only Auctions Commencing August 3rd
And even from Doug DeMuro: Cars & Bids
From Gooding: Gooding & Company Announces Geared Online – New Online Only Auctions Commencing August 3rd
And even from Doug DeMuro: Cars & Bids
I hope they try to have a decent mix of vehicles, not just six and seven figure stuff.
Hemmings' auction site has been a total disaster IMO. Not user friendly. And the write-ups have the stink of a sweaty used-car salesman all over them.
^^^^^^
This.
I looked at Hemmings auction site a few weeks ago for the first time, and was stunned at how poorly it was executed. It seemed more like an "upscale" Craigslist, if there was such a thing.
Dan
And popup Hemmings ads with nearly every page load. It's bad.
Another quick rant about BaT.
Why aren't they pushing back against sellers who submit too few, out-of-focus and/or too dark photos.
Cases in point:
A really nice late 928.
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30 photos of the car. Total. Most feature the scenery or the rear end of the car. C'mon, this is a desirable car with some massive $$$ spent of maintenance. Seller isn't new to BaT and should know better. So should BaT.
And then we have a W124 4matic with 50K miles. Sheesh.
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Again, an experienced seller. Who appears to seek out the lowest light level possible for photos. I can't see a damn thing.
Why aren't they pushing back against sellers who submit too few, out-of-focus and/or too dark photos.
Cases in point:
A really nice late 928.
1994 Porsche 928 GTS
Bid for the chance to own a 1994 Porsche 928 GTS at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #32,754.
30 photos of the car. Total. Most feature the scenery or the rear end of the car. C'mon, this is a desirable car with some massive $$$ spent of maintenance. Seller isn't new to BaT and should know better. So should BaT.
And then we have a W124 4matic with 50K miles. Sheesh.
No Reserve: 50k-Mile 1993 Mercedes-Benz 300E 4MATIC
Bid for the chance to own a No Reserve: 50k-Mile 1993 Mercedes-Benz 300E 4MATIC at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #32,749.
Again, an experienced seller. Who appears to seek out the lowest light level possible for photos. I can't see a damn thing.
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You are right, the photos are terrible. I mean, useless exterior, semi-useless interior... but surprisingly good underneath? Someone spent a LOT of time detailing that undercarriage. New exhaust parts to me indicates there was major cancer on the old ones. Hmmm.And then we have a W124 4matic with 50K miles. Sheesh.
No Reserve: 50k-Mile 1993 Mercedes-Benz 300E 4MATIC
Bid for the chance to own a No Reserve: 50k-Mile 1993 Mercedes-Benz 300E 4MATIC at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #32,749.
Again, an experienced seller. Who appears to seek out the lowest light level possible for photos. I can't see a damn thing.
I don't know how to post it but today there is a RennTech 1998 SL74 on BaT w/ 50K miles.
Maybe somebody can post it.
Admin edit: 1998 Mercedes-Benz SL600 RENNtech SL74
Maybe somebody can post it.
Admin edit: 1998 Mercedes-Benz SL600 RENNtech SL74
Interesting read from CNN Business today..
www.cnn.com
People are bidding online for million-dollar cars -- without seeing them in person
Increasingly, wealthy bidders are going online to buy collector cars worth six-figures or more at auctions without seeing them in person first.
www.cnn.com
You are right, the photos are terrible. I mean, useless exterior, semi-useless interior... but surprisingly good underneath? Someone spent a LOT of time detailing that undercarriage. New exhaust parts to me indicates there was major cancer on the old ones. Hmmm.
It is more typical here to see low mile cars with rotting exhaust systems. And high miler exhausts tend to be original and in great condition.
It's due to the exhaust getting up to temp more regular and boiling out all moisture that helps preserve them - something a low mileage car can lack.
For the G-Wagen fans, this is a treat. 4,900-mile Europa G500 Classic. They only made 500 of these in Almandine Black Metallic over a two-tone interior. Running at no reserve. Probably an easy $50,000 or more.
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No Reserve: 5k-Mile 2000 Mercedes-Benz G500 Europa
Bid for the chance to own a No Reserve: 5k-Mile 2000 Mercedes-Benz G500 Europa at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #33,339.
Nice truck. Too bad it's not one of the early 1990s M117 models. It would go for HUGE bucks. This one won't do badly though, as it will have strong appeal to odometer buyers. Note that even in 2000, they still had the old-school interior that basically didnt change from the 463 intro in 1990.
For some reason, I really expected this one to pull a bigger number.
Odo, color and condition.
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Seller was very responsive and presented the car quite well. IMO.
Odo, color and condition.
No Reserve: 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300E
Bid for the chance to own a No Reserve: 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300E at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #33,073.
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Seller was very responsive and presented the car quite well. IMO.
...and that's where he went wrong. It seems you need to be a 589 in order to command high BaT sale numbers, no?
For some reason, I really expected this one to pull a bigger number.
Odo, color and condition.
No Reserve: 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300E
Bid for the chance to own a No Reserve: 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300E at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #33,073.
Seller was very responsive and presented the car quite well. IMO.
Maybe it was the $70 dealer fee?
Dan
Good catch, I missed that.
Given the presence of the new corporate overlords at BaT, this listing surprised me quite a bit. BaT uses the term "street legal" several times.
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This car isn't Federalized.
It's not "street legal."
The manufacturer didn't import it for any purpose other than off road usage.
But the seller managed to snooker some poor sap at the DMV into issuing a New Mexico Title, and here we are.
Best of luck to the new owner. Hope the Feds don't find it. Or worse, hope they don't need to make a claim on their passenger car insurance policy.
Street-Legal 2008 Lotus 2-Eleven
Bid for the chance to own a Street-Legal 2008 Lotus 2-Eleven at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #34,018.
This car isn't Federalized.
It's not "street legal."
The manufacturer didn't import it for any purpose other than off road usage.
But the seller managed to snooker some poor sap at the DMV into issuing a New Mexico Title, and here we are.
Best of luck to the new owner. Hope the Feds don't find it. Or worse, hope they don't need to make a claim on their passenger car insurance policy.
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Definitely not a kit car.
Lotus cars in the US were on shakey ground from the beginning. Coming in on an exemption for many years. The 2 Eleven is a track day special. Imported whole, and not for use on US roads.
I've been casually watching the action at www.carsandbids.com
They've made a few improvements over the BaT original, but they're suffering from a very "troll-y" atmosphere. It's like they took the BaT peanut gallery and turned it up to 11. And then ripped the knob off. At least on a couple of auctions I have followed closely.
Today's results were dreadful. Nine auctions ended. 8 RNMs. And most of those weren't even in the ballpark.
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I applaud them for eschewing the frat-boy-dealer vibe that has overwhelmed BaT of late, but they need results to survive.
They've made a few improvements over the BaT original, but they're suffering from a very "troll-y" atmosphere. It's like they took the BaT peanut gallery and turned it up to 11. And then ripped the knob off. At least on a couple of auctions I have followed closely.
Today's results were dreadful. Nine auctions ended. 8 RNMs. And most of those weren't even in the ballpark.
Recently ended results
Browse past auctions of cool enthusiast vehicles on Cars & Bids.
I applaud them for eschewing the frat-boy-dealer vibe that has overwhelmed BaT of late, but they need results to survive.
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How is that possible? I've not see @The Emperor or @UHT on that site...
I've been casually watching the action at www.carsandbids.com
They've made a few improvements over the BaT original, but they're suffering from a very "troll-y" atmosphere. It's like they took the BaT peanut gallery and turned it up to 11. And then ripped the knob off. At least on a couple of auctions I have followed closely.
Today's results were dreadful. Nine auctions ended. 8 RNMs. And most of those weren't even in the ballpark.
Recently ended results
Browse past auctions of cool enthusiast vehicles on Cars & Bids.
I applaud them for eschewing the frat-boy-dealer vibe that has overwhelmed BaT of late, but they need results to survive.
I sort of wandered around in their site the other day for the first time. I wasn't impressed. And what's with one guy doing all the ad copy/critiques?
Dan
It's the Cult of Doug Demuro.
The guy who started out doing some marginally-interesting Youtube content, but then morphed into a corpo shill.
The Buyer's vig is 4.5% versus 5 at BaT. Not enough to move the needle, IMO.
The guy has 3.6M subs on youtube. Which absolutely boggles my mind.
I like the format of the main auction list page.
Autocheck report is included with every listing.
Bullet points are much more succinct than the BaT boilerplate BS.
"Doug's Take" is just asinine. Who cares?
IMO, the site is miles ahead of where the Hemmings offering stands. So that's not too bad. Plenty of room for improvement. And then they need to figure out how to lure in people with actual $$$ in their pockets.
DeMuro is a somewhat-more-legitimate "Hoovy."
I would agree, and these are things I noticed as well (in a positive light.) I don't know Doug from Adam, so his commentary really added nothing for me. The fact that the volume is lower is once, as you can look through the entire field of offerings in short order. I don't have time to wend my way through all the listings on any given day on BaT - it's such a time suck that I unsubscribed from the daily notifications.
No comparison to Hemmings. That place is a dumpster fire.
So it's not bad, just sort of a pre-pubescent BaT, maybe?
Dan
Let's hope Scotty Kilmer does not start an auction site, oh boy now that will be a sh*t show of note
I don't think it would be an issue. Scottster generally hates MB's and probably wouldn't allow any on "his" auction site.
I don't think it's bad or good, yet. Just new.
Yesterday's results:
Ten auctions closed. Six sold, Four RNMs.
The average selling price was just under $12000. And if you toss the outlier on the high side, the average drops to just over $9000. So the site earned about $350 in fees and commissions on each auction they offered.
I did a bit more digging last night and found that SUV/4X4s really aren't doing well on the site. Which is exact opposite of everywhere else. It's probably the hottest sector, and has been for at least a year or two.
And based on the average price of the cars that are actually selling, it suggest that people are shopping the site for "used" cars. Not collector vehicles. That's clearly not sustainable. And I don't know how they break out of that mold, either.
Looks like a forum member has one of their cars in a Hemmings auction:
https://www.hemmings.com/auction/1991-mercedes-benz-560sec
Should be interesting to see how this goes, considering how W126 coupes do on BaT.
Dan
https://www.hemmings.com/auction/1991-mercedes-benz-560sec
Should be interesting to see how this goes, considering how W126 coupes do on BaT.
Dan
Rössle-Bau roommate up for bid.
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1995 Audi RS2 Avant
Bid for the chance to own a 1995 Audi RS2 Avant at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #34,267.
Ummm...yes.
FOR SALE - 1991 560 SEC, 118k Miles in CA | C126 Coupes
Hi All, I am selling my 1991 560 SEC with 118k miles. The car is in the San Francisco area. https://www.hemmings.com/auction/1991-mercedes-benz-560sec I think the listing is pretty comprehensive but happy to answer questions.
Interesting bidding patterns and results on this one...
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No Reserve: 1986 Mercedes-Benz 300E 5-Speed
Bid for the chance to own a No Reserve: 1986 Mercedes-Benz 300E 5-Speed at auction with Bring a Trailer, the home of the best vintage and classic cars online. Lot #34,154.
$30K... LoL !! It's a @deanlaumbach car though!
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