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OWNER SG-Motorsports - (Widebody E36 AMG wagon)

SG-Motorsports

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Hello All, I thought I would introduce myself since I’m somewhat new around here. My name is Steve, and I’ve been a Mercedes nut my whole life. I’ve been a MB dealer tech since 1992 here in the NW. It’s not only my profession, it’s also my passion. I have an addiction for 16v 190’s, 124’s, 126’s, and anything AMG. I absolutely love the 50’s-60’s cars (pontons, pagodas, 111 coupes, etc..) and help maintain a couple of local guy’s collections. I have a tool business that I run after hours where I specialize in MB specialty tools that I have designed and done R&D work for a manufacturer in Taiwan. I sell mainly on Amazon and eBay, so if there’s anything you need or have questions about, feel free to let me know.

Ok, enough about me. Here is a 124 wagon project that I’ve been working on for about 10 years. I’ve always loved the 124.036, but also love wagons and am of the opinion that MB made a mistake not making a 500TE. I wanted to build my own and started collecting parts for the project at least 10 years ago, parting out a couple 500E’s, about a dozen 400E/E420’s, half a dozen wagons and a couple C36 AMG’s.

While my plan was always to do a full wide body and V-8 swap, I’ve put off the V-8 swap for now because I just don’t have the time. I made a conscious decision to hold off on the V-8 swap because I know I would get half way through and the car would just sit for years because my 2 young boys are much more important to me at this stage of my life. So, I’ll be swapping in a 3.6l AMG M104 from a 1995 C36 because I know I can do it in a day and be done with it and that way I’ll get to enjoy the car with my boys.

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I started with a really nice 1995 E320 blk/blk wagon that I bought about 6 years ago. I bought it from the second owner who had given up on it when the reverse stopped working, which most of you know is a pretty easy fix. It was a local car it’s whole life with just 2 owners and was a Starmark car. I fixed the transmission and drove the car daily for 3 years, then about 3 years ago decided to start with the body work. I had a pair of decent front fenders from a 500E I had parted, and also a couple sets of 500E quarters that I’d cut off of parts cars for the project. I started by stripping all the lower cladding and bumpers off at work one Saturday. Then got busy with the sheet metal work with some help from a neighbor who specializes in 993 Porsche’s.

After measuring and planning for several weeks, we cut the old quarters off at the original seams and spot welds on the inner wheelhouse. Then made some quick cuts on the outside to remove the outer skin so we could get an idea of how to mate the 500E quarters. We had to reform the door edge for the rear doors because the flare goes too far forward into the door jam and the angle is much different, so it had to be cut back. We then trimmed the donor quarter panel way down so that we wouldn’t have to reshape the fuel door opening, since the wagon’s is in a different spot than the sedan. After countless hours fitting/cutting/trimming the donor panel to the opening we had cut, it was finally tacked into place, then finish welded, filled, sanded and primed. I used Wurth undercoating to match the inner wheel well to the old finish and seal it from corrosion, then cleaned and painted the entire inner wheel wells. It now honestly looks completely factory and impossible to tell any work was done. It took much longer than I expected because I’m a crazy perfectionist when it comes to stuff like this, but I think the extra work was worth it.


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Then it was time to swap the front end over to the 500E style, which I thought would be really simple, but instead took over a week because the donor fenders I had were terrible and took a lot of massaging to get to fit right. These were also filled, sanded and sealer primed. Then the car sat for about 6 months until I could get space in a friend’s body shop to start with the block sanding. Once there, the body was completely disassembled and blocked for weeks, constantly rehanging and removing parts as needed to get the lines all perfect. I was doing a complete color change, so all the jams and everything was prepped and fine sanded.

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In about 2008 I had bought a full AMG original body kit with Gen2 front bumper from the dealership I work at. It took a little work fitting the AMG front and rear bumpers as I stretched them to fit the wider fenders/quarters. This was actually a little easier than I anticipated because the original AMG material is very flexible and forgiving. I had to make custom bumper mounts on for the sides on the front, because neither the 500E nor the standard E320 mounts would fit. In the rear I had to add some spacers to the side mounts where they attach to the body to get the bumper depth to look right. I decided to keep the chrome trim on the bumpers so it would match the chrome strips in the lower side cladding (which is not very normal on most AMG’s), and so drilling the bumpers was required to install the chrome trim strips. In the end, it actually helped to keep the bumper spread and in the correct shape even when removed from the vehicle so turned out to be very useful. The rear chrome trim was a little tricky because there is a little more gap than normal on the sides of the rear bumper, so I drilled the chrome strips to sit a little more inward to the body to hide the gap. It turned out much better than I expected., but took a lot of trial and error while fitting to get it to look right. The rocker panels on the side bolted up just fine, but the fitment at the front edge is still not perfect and I will need to do some adjustments to get it right.

I also filled the antenna hole before finishing blocking for a cleaner look. The car was then sprayed on New Year’s day 2013 with a complete color change to black opal (code 189), which is my favorite color. We put the clear on really heavy (5 coats!) and baked it, then let it cure for about 2 months before hanging the doors back on and started wet sanding. Most of the wet sanding was done by a good friend who owns a local detail shop, because honestly I was paranoid about cutting through. After a month of wet sanding and polishing, I brought the car back home and have been slowly reassembling when I have free time.

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The last few pictures I took a couple months ago and are pretty close to what it looks like now. I still have some final assembly to do on the body and interior. I have a full ‘silver arrow’ brake upgrade I need to do. I need to decide which wheels to keep on it. I also need to go through my 3.6l AMG donor and get it swapped in. My goal is to have it done and ready for the local MBCA show n’ shine in August, which has been my goal every year for the last 2 years……maybe this year I’ll actually make it happen!!

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And while I'm uploading pics, here's my nicest 16v and my daily driver E55.

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M104 3.6L motor is a better choice (given your time constraints, etc.) and add a turbo charger or a manual gearbox and that should be pretty fun. Those I6s can take a beating, you should consider nitrous in lieu of the M119 motor.

Hope all is well with you man, it's been a long time. Hello to Steve2, too.
 
Looks great, Steve. I like how the roof came out with the rails and strips removed. Nice work!
 
Steve

Now I want to do the wide body on my wagon! Let's talk about it when over dinner later this month ��

Jeff
 
While reading this post i was looking for a price of how much you are selling the wagon.....

Then it hit me... it's not for sale :doh: Fantastic work Steve!
 
Steve- I remember corresponding with you regarding this project over the last 5+ years. Glad to see it coming to fruition. With the wider rear fenders, do you think you fit 275-tires without resorting to spacers or specialty wheels ?

:-) neil
 
Looks great, Steve. I like how the roof came out with the rails and strips removed. Nice work!

Thanks Glen. The roof rails will be going back on, the slats I'm not sure about yet. I originally wanted to put them back on, but I'm liking the clean look more now.
 
Steve- I remember corresponding with you regarding this project over the last 5+ years. Glad to see it coming to fruition. With the wider rear fenders, do you think you fit 275-tires without resorting to spacers or specialty wheels ?

:-) neil

Hi Neil, Yes I remember too. Did you ever try to attempt it?

The wheels that are on it currently are 275's in the rear on the 18x10 ET25 AMG/BBS's. There's plenty of clearance on the inside, they stick out a little further than I would like but it's not bad.

I also have a set of 19" 2-piece AMG CL55 wheels that are 8.5 front/9.5 rear with more of an offset. I'm going to test fit those at some point and see what looks better. I'll post up pics when I do...
 
Thanks, Steve! Looks wise, that makes other wagons it's prison bitches.

Haha, I like that! Thanks for all the kind words fellas.

I feel a little funny posting 'show and tell' stuff like this, but my hope is that it will force me to get the damn thing done!!
 
Steve ... Terrific write up ... Congrats on the project ...

Question ... The CLK 7 hole aluminum wheels on the car in your earlier photos ... any chance you might sell them?

regards,

garrison
'92 400E
'95 E320
 
...that makes other wagons it's prison bitches.

Not so fast there, Bud. Some of us have wide bodyguard V8 wagons that came direct from the factory...

http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites...ublic/images/car_photo_9604.jpg?itok=PBbOdvKn

But Steve's project is highly commendable. Particularly impressive (at least to me) was his decision to forego the V8 swap in favor of time spent with his sons. For that decision alone, Bravo!! Indeed, carting the Cub and Boy Scouts (my son and his crew) and my daughter to and from the campgrounds, ski resorts, beaches and bayou over the years in this one might be the reason I can't seem to part with it.

Long live the sexy hips wagons!!

maw
 
Not so fast there, Bud. Some of us have wide bodyguard V8 wagons that came direct from the factory...

http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites...ublic/images/car_photo_9604.jpg?itok=PBbOdvKn

But Steve's project is highly commendable. Particularly impressive (at least to me) was his decision to forego the V8 swap in favor of time spent with his sons. For that decision alone, Bravo!! Indeed, carting the Cub and Boy Scouts (my son and his crew) and my daughter to and from the campgrounds, ski resorts, beaches and bayou over the years in this one might be the reason I can't seem to part with it.

Long live the sexy hips wagons!!

maw

Well, I didn't say "ALL" wagons. Also, there is that Audi wagon that they built in the same place with the E500Es. That was a magnificent piece, IIRC...
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Well, I didn't say "ALL" wagons. Also, there is that Audi wagon that they built in the same place with the E500Es. That was a magnificent piece, IIRC"...
:klink:

Yeah, that was the RS2. Nice, but (1) no V8, as I recall it was turbo charged; and (2) utterly out of reach for me, barring a miracle (never stateside). I think it shared some suspension components with your 928, but don't quote me there. And it had wide hips...

http://youtu.be/A-VgfekV9-g

I've always found that car's badging interesting, for those who don't like Porsche bits on 500Es.

http://www.ausmotive.com/images/Audi-RS2-Avant-05.jpg

http://www.j-spec.com.au/lineup/images/Audi_RS2_Avant_25.jpg

maw
 
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Yeah, that was the RS2. Nice, but (1) no V8, as I recall it was turbo charged; and (2) utterly out of reach for me, barring a miracle (never stateside). I think it shared some suspension components with your 928, but don't quote me there. And it had wide hips...

http://youtu.be/A-VgfekV9-g

I've always found that car's badging interesting, for those who don't like Porsche bits on 500Es.

http://www.ausmotive.com/images/Audi-RS2-Avant-05.jpg

http://www.j-spec.com.au/lineup/images/Audi_RS2_Avant_25.jpg

maw

Oh, but they did bring some stateside! I was sore in love with them. Left a mark...
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Oh, but they did bring some stateside! I was sore in love with them...

Really?!?!?! That's would entice me to think about giving up my allroad 4.2. Or perhaps a 500TE that would take RS2 brakes. From wiki...

"Porsche-designed braking and suspension systems replaced the standard Audi 80 equipment, however, the Bosch Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) was retained. The front brakes[1] feature either 304 millimetres (11.97 in) in diameter by 32 mm (1.260 in) thick radially vented brake discs, and use Brembo four-opposed piston fixed calipers, or a 'modified' option of larger discs (which will only fit under a 17" wheel) of 322 mm (12.68 in) by 32 mm (1.260 in), with uprated brake pads. The rears[1] featured 299 mm (11.77 in) by 24 mm (0.945 in) radially vented discs, again with Brembo four-piston calipers, and the 'modified' option included identical sized discs, but merely included cross-drilling, along with uprated pads. The handbrake[1] worked on the rears, and consisted of a cable operated 'drum in disc' system. 40 millimetres (1.6 in) lower than a standard 80 Avant, the suspension and braking upgrades combined to give the RS2 the handling and braking capabilities of a high-end sports car; 7.0Jx17 inch Porsche 'Cup' roadwheels,[1] and high-performance 245/40 ZR17 Dunlop tyres were standard as well. In fact, the braking system wore Porsche-badged Brembo calipers, and both the wheels and side mirrors were identical in design to those of the 964 Turbo. Additionally, the word "PORSCHE" is inscribed in the RS2 emblem affixed to the rear tailgate and front grille."

maw
 
Oh, but they did bring some stateside! I was sore in love with them. Left a mark...
:klink:

Really?!?!?! That's would entice me to think about giving up my allroad 4.2. Or perhaps a 500TE that would take RS2 brakes. From wiki...

"Porsche-designed braking and suspension systems replaced the standard Audi 80 equipment, however, the Bosch Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) was retained. The front brakes[1] feature either 304 millimetres (11.97 in) in diameter by 32 mm (1.260 in) thick radially vented brake discs, and use Brembo four-opposed piston fixed calipers, or a 'modified' option of larger discs (which will only fit under a 17" wheel) of 322 mm (12.68 in) by 32 mm (1.260 in), with uprated brake pads. The rears[1] featured 299 mm (11.77 in) by 24 mm (0.945 in) radially vented discs, again with Brembo four-piston calipers, and the 'modified' option included identical sized discs, but merely included cross-drilling, along with uprated pads. The handbrake[1] worked on the rears, and consisted of a cable operated 'drum in disc' system. 40 millimetres (1.6 in) lower than a standard 80 Avant, the suspension and braking upgrades combined to give the RS2 the handling and braking capabilities of a high-end sports car; 7.0Jx17 inch Porsche 'Cup' roadwheels,[1] and high-performance 245/40 ZR17 Dunlop tyres were standard as well. In fact, the braking system wore Porsche-badged Brembo calipers, and both the wheels and side mirrors were identical in design to those of the 964 Turbo. Additionally, the word "PORSCHE" is inscribed in the RS2 emblem affixed to the rear tailgate and front grille."

maw

We had one at the MB dealer in Tampa sometime like '97-'98, and yes it absolutely was a RS2 Avant, exactly as in all the photos on your links. It looked like a straight up USA version car, and the UC manager told me that he needed at least $30K for it at the time. I was already tapped out spending on 500Es or I would have signed any amount of paper to get it. Actually, I would have done that as well if I could have afforded the almost certain divorce...
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I've always found that car's badging interesting, for those who don't like Porsche bits on 500Es.

http://www.ausmotive.com/images/Audi-RS2-Avant-05.jpg

http://www.j-spec.com.au/lineup/images/Audi_RS2_Avant_25.jpg

maw
I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with Porsche badging on the RS2. But then again, that's because there are actual Porsche components bolted onto the car, and Porsche had a significantly greater hand in the execution and production of the car than with the E500E.
 
We had one at the MB dealer in Tampa sometime like '97-'98, and yes it absolutely was a RS2 Avant, exactly as in all the photos on your links. It looked like a straight up USA version car, and the UC manager told me that he needed at least $30K for it at the time. I was already tapped out spending on 500Es or I would have signed any amount of paper to get it. Actually, I would have done that as well if I could have afforded the almost certain divorce...
:klink2:

Most likely Canadian. You know who comes down I-75 -- Ontario and the Midwest. I've seen one recently for sale but it was in Canada and over $50k. For those numbers, I'll keep my allroad 4.2 -- more power, more space, any road capable and free, plus I know all that I've done to it. So it remains a fine line between love and lust. Allroad never came in Nogaro Blue (or Avus Blue, for BMW fans).

;-D

maw
 
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Steve ... Terrific write up ... Congrats on the project ...

Question ... The CLK 7 hole aluminum wheels on the car in your earlier photos ... any chance you might sell them?

regards,

garrison
'92 400E
'95 E320


Sorry, but I keep a couple sets of these wheels around for my 16v race car and track car.
 
I would probably not Porsche badge the 500e, but I think they played a big enough role do at least deserve a mini Porsche badge somewhere on the car.

I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with Porsche badging on the RS2. But then again, that's because there are actual Porsche components bolted onto the car, and Porsche had a significantly greater hand in the execution and production of the car than with the E500E.
 
Re: E36/500E Wagon project, short video walk around

SWEET! Thanks for sharing. The red 500E parked next to it looks pretty sharp too...

:deniro:
 
Re: E36/500E Wagon project, short video walk around

Very nice looking wagon. Thanks for the pics.
 
Re: E36/500E Wagon project, short video walk around

Love the color on that wagon :applause:

Isn't that exterior paint color is called blauschwarz on w124? Color code No. 199?
 
Re: E36/500E Wagon project, short video walk around

Thanks for making the video Rik!

GSXR, maybe you could merge this with my owner thread?
 
Good day,

Is it possible to get a status update via pics on this project. It is the best I have seen, so far, absolutely stunning.

Thank you
 
Good day,

Is it possible to get a status update via pics on this project. It is the best I have seen, so far, absolutely stunning.

Thank you

Sadly no updates to report. Last weekend I took it out of the garage for the first time since last August to go to a local 50th Anniversary AMG show. I need some time to finish putting it back together. Unfortunately I'm too busy fixing everyone else's cars.
 
Good day, is this car complete yet i would love to see more of it if possible. Pics or videos elsewhere on the net? Thank you.
 
Good day,

Any pics or videos from Legends of the autobahn? Or any more info and media for this vehicle. Would there be any interest to sell and ship to South Africa?

Thanks
 
Steve does not really come here anymore and knowing Steve, its extremely rare for him to sell any of his project cars.
 
Steve does not really come here anymore and knowing Steve, its extremely rare for him to sell any of his project cars.
Thank you, I have watched, several times, the feature you did on it on YouTube.

Did you ever follow up, as you had intended once the car is complete?

If not, is it something that would be still possible?
 

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