• Hi Guest !

    Welcome to the 500Eboard forum.

    Since its founding in late 2008, 500Eboard has become the leading resource on the Internet for all things related to the Mercedes-Benz 500E and E500. In recent years, we have also expanded to include the 400E and E420 models, which are directly related to the 500E/E500.

    We invite you to browse and take advantage of the information and resources here on the site. If you find helpful information, please register for full membership, and you'll find even more resources available. Feel free to ask questions, and make liberal use of the "Search" function to find answers.

    We hope you will become an active contributor to the community!

    Sincerely,
    500Eboard Management

  • DISCLAIMER
    500Eboard, including its owner, administrators and moderators do not endorse, approve or support any claims provided by sellers as to vehicle condition, history, title status or mechanical operation.

    Forum members/sellers are fully responsible for the accurate representation of all vehicles and/or parts they list and describe for sale on this forum. 500Eboard is not legally liable or responsible for sellers who misrepresent their vehicles per US Federal, State and local laws and regulations pertaining to proper and accurate vehicle sales.

    Thank you

WANTED WTB: 126 SEC

Ron500E

Keyboard Warrior
Member
I am going over to the dark side.....

Looking for a 126 SEC, NO white, black or gold cars.

Blue or Cabernet is nice, red is iffy.

Never any rust and no major paintwork done, no salvage titles and less than 80K in miles.... also, I love service records.

I'd post on BW but I have an idiot magnet on me and I have no doubt that all the regular morons who post there will find something "wrong" with what I want. Ten million comments and not one will have a car for sale, you know how they are...
Thanks.

Ron
 
I think you should post there, and let the "crew" do their thing. Be as specific and anal as possible with your post, and set the bar VERY high.

Remember that most of them (excepting 48hp) pretty much drive hoopties/jalopies (i.e. aesthetically beautiful cars that are falling apart mechanically) so it won't be hard to set a high bar. You should also specify the following, with out the names, of course:

  • You DO NOT want to buy a car that has a cute-sie name (i.e. Chaldahar's "The Rose")
  • You DO NOT want to buy a car that owner claims is an AMG or 'clone', but it is not ("cascade")
  • You DO NOT want a car that has a salvage title, but owner needlessly dumped $60K into it ("McLiar/McClare")
  • You DO NOT want a car that has every conceivable AMG part bolted onto it ("Dr. Grills")

As I grew up in suburban Seattle, this song from Sir Mixalot (who lives in the next town over from my hometown) may make you think twice about those Benzworld 126 Forum "specials" :D

[youtube]l_F76ySzk48[/youtube]

:pc1:

Cheers,
Gerry


P.S. I think ClassicCarsAllDay here on this forum, has one of the sexiest 126 coupes I've seen in a long time.... real deal.
 
Is this in addition to the E60 ?

Yes.

I am not getting any younger (in spite of how I may behave-misbehave) and decided I want to enjoy these things while I can.
Don't want to be the guy, at 75, who drives a Ferrari with the 30 year old blond who loves him for his personality*.

The guy who drives a 200mph car at 45 MPH...

Ron

*I reserve the right to change my mind about the 30 year old blond when I am 75.
 
Don't know how practical it is or maybe I am stating the obvious but have you thought about looking in Europe? bear in mind anything 88 model yr or earlier could be brought over no problem.

a quick search of autoscout brought up this

http://www.autoscout24.eu/Details.aspx?id=241119082&a=1

Thought about it, but the majority came to the USA (I think) so there's enough of a choice here.

But thanks for the suggestion,

Ron
 
A new record for my post getting deleted on BW.. an hour from the 126 forum, for sale in both the 126 and general forum.

A NEW RECORD HAS BEEN SET !!!!

Beat that Honcho !!!!

Ron
 
It appears that you have officially joined the Club. What, pray tell, did you post?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
 
A list describing exactly what I was, and wasn't, looking for.... I mentioned NO salvage cars because someone got scammed in buying one from some con man who spent a lot of money on it as well as no cars with names, names are for teddy bears not cars, no 19" wheels, no "fake, phone, faux or replica AMG parts". No cars that have every single AMG part ever made, and many they didn't, from day one
I think with a single post I offended 96% of the 126 owners on the site by saying what I didn't want.
They pulled the post from the 126 Forum, 126 Buy and sell and general buy and sell. Three places within one hour - at 3 am no less.
R
 
Sounds like Ron has a personal fan club over there.

:pc1:
 
I thought your post was excellent, concise and to the point. Avoids a zillion side comments and questions.


Sorry the E60 deal fell through. Bartman make a price jump?

Good, sage advice re: 560SEC. I already miss the 1990 euro I sold over the summer.
 
It appears that you have officially joined the Club. What, pray tell, did you post?

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Somehow, it returned.... Here's what I posted...

Well, the show is going well and I'm able to buy a car another car every so often. So for this Christmas I would like a 126, 560 SEC.

Simple requirements actually.

1) NO, Black, White or Gold cars.

2) Under 75K miles.

3) I love service records.

4) NO cars that have names. It's a machine, not a teddy bear or stuffed animal. Treat it with respect, not as a cute furry thing you tuck in at night.

5) NO rust or bodywork, ever.

6) No cars claiming to be a "clone," "fake", "faux", "fraud", "replica", "phony" or whatever the current word someone slings to pass off something that isn't real.

7) If you say it's a real AMG car you MUST have paperwork otherwise you can tell me you're the Nigerian Oil Minister or Chinese Princess and I'd believe you just as much.

8) NO cars that look like they came from the JC Whitney catalog version of AMG. I have seen cars that have every AMG accessory they ever produced (and many that they didn't), from decals everywhere to who knows what. Most real AMG cars did not have every single option from every single year loaded unto one car according to RB. That said..... I like 16" Penta's. Real ones, not fake ones of course. If you have a REAL AMG body kit that might be nice, but might not. The quality control back then was... uh...er... "lacking," so to speak.

9) If you felt the need to put 18" or larger wheels on a late 80's or early 90's car please ignore this posting.

And MOST of all....

10) No, absolutely NO, salvage or junk titles, whatever they are called in your state.​

I spoke with this one guy who tried to pawn off his POS car that either he or some previous moron put way too MUCH $$$$ into it - or so he claimed, before he found out it had a salvage title. DUH. I was nice but I told him just because he got taken by some scam artist doesn't mean I should. He should have done his homework.

I offered him $2500, probably about a tenth of what he paid and told him it would be nothing more than a parts cars for me, it was that bad. The term "Jalopy" came to mind when I saw pics. The workmanship was below substandard and truly poor. Clearly a case someone who doesn't know cars being taken by someone who doesn't know cars but preys upon the uninformed. I kind of pity the guy who put that much $ into it but there's one born every minute or so the saying goes. All that was missing from the car was the "Built by Gypsy's On the Run" license plate frame. You truly had to see this "work of art."
So PLEASE no junk-salvage cars.

In other words... I would like a good honest car at a fair price. I don't have to ask the bank, my mother, wife or anyone else. For the right car I can get on a plane today if you know what I mean. The car will be inspected, at my expense of course, by a reputable shop/dealer/person of my choosing in your area. A deposit will be made by Paypal and the balance by wire transfer unless I decide to come out myself, or send someone, in which case cash will be given at your bank in exchange for the car, keys and title. If in California it must have a current smog certificate. I will arrange transportation if necessary.

No PM's, my box is full and I'm too lazy to clean it out, besides I don't log in here very often so please send an email to:
RLScoma@aol.com

or find Ron500E on Gerry's list, I'm there all the time because I'm just learning about 126's and need the technical knowledge.

Thanks,

Ron
 
LOL. You are a marked man if your post disappeared so quickly. Evidently Teotone (or more likely the Australian moderator, Ross/420SE) saw your post and nuked it, and then relented ... or was overruled by Teotone.

It is probable that the mere mention of my name was what got your post nuked -- because of my fatwa and associated jihad against Benzworld, I have now reached a more reviled status at Benzworld W126 forum than the infamous "Rex" (aka SELLC). It is an honor that I wear proudly, and do not take for granted nor lightly.

Cheers,
Gerry
 
7) If you say it's a real AMG car you MUST have paperwork otherwise you can tell me you're the Nigerian Oil Minister or Chinese Princess and I'd believe you just as much.
Funny that you mentioned this ... I just had to call cascade out on this very thing, today, over at PeachParts.

A bit of historical background here. Josef Goebbels, who was Adolf Hitler's Minister of Propaganda, once said that if you repeat a lie often enough, then people will start to believe it. And this has certainly remained true, even today (does "if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance" ring a bell?!?).

In any case, poor iwrock (Justin) repeated the cascade lie that his (cascade's) 560SEC is an AMG model. When in reality, it is a standard, US-spec car that has a few AMG parts bolted onto it, and a "wannabe" AMG motor that was patterned off of what cascade thinks were AMG's specs for the M117 2-valve engine. And in his PeachParts signature, cascade (aka "Jim B" there) goes to GREAT EXTENT to highlight that his car is an AMG model, using red, bolded text and explaining how his engine is an AMG type engine.

Screenshot 2013-11-30 16.33.30.jpg

Here's the PeachParts thread on the matter: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/open-discussion/346862-went-look-amg.html#post3245412

(Of course, the back story .... why is it that there is ALWAYS a back story with cascade ..... was that this 'AMG' engine was a rebuilt unit, after cascade and Chaldahar overheated the original motor by deliberately cutting the water pump belt, and then driving up the notorious "Grapevine" grade into the Los Angeles Basin .. this infamous story is posted on Benzworld).

There is not a shred of paperwork from AMG or any authorized AMG tuning shop on cascade's car. Yet, he screams in bold, red letters that HIS CAR IS AN AMG MODEL.

So ... I had to call him on this today because an innocent person now believes cascade's lie, and repeated it. For the record, of course.

This is the same thing that happened with regard to the myth that 1994 (facelift) model E500s were NOT produced by Porsche, in Zuffenhausen. Of course, we have photographic evidence to disprove this myth. cascade will NEVER be able to prove his claims of his car being an AMG, because it never was, and no documentation ever existed to say it was/is.

So it goes. *sigh*

Saving the world .... one falsehood at a time....

Cheers,
Gerry
 
Excuse my ignorance, but are all the SEC's I see for sale with the "AMG" bodywork fake? Honestly, I think they look tacky and I prefer the standard body without all the ricer body moldings. One of the most beautiful cars ever built IMHO.
 
Maui,

It depends. There were quite a number of cars that were imported by MB, and AMG body kits (and on a few cars, more substantive modifications to the engine, differential, etc.) were installed by AMG authorized dealers around the US. Typically it was just the body/aero package, or steering wheel, spoiler, wheels, etc. So yes, these cars could also be considered an "AMG" model if AMG or one of its licensees did the work, and authentic AMG parts were used.

I think there is a certain threshhold of parts and/or modifications that would qualify a car to be called an AMG. meaning if you just threw AMG wheels or a decklid spoiler on it, and nothing else, it didn't warrant being called an AMG model. But if you had them install the full aero package, and wheels, then it would warrant being called an AMG. And if an AMG tweaked engine or other mechanicals were installed (usually in conjunction with the exterior mods), then of course it would be an AMG.

Much of the time, though, especially in recent years, AMG emblems are very easy to get (particularly the new ///AMG ones) and this has led all kinds of folks top slap them on their otherwise stock cars. Just like you used to see BMW owners sticking the little "M" badges on their trunk lid ahead of their standard "535i" moniker. It's a joke and really fools few people if anyone.

Cheers,
Gerry
 
I guess for me it would only be an AMG if the motor was built by AMG. Body cladding and badges does not a car make.

[video=youtube;VqomZQMZQCQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqomZQMZQCQ[/video]
[video=youtube;TFwprS_L6tg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFwprS_L6tg[/video]
 
Last edited:
I guess for me it would only be an AMG if the motor was built by AMG. Body cladding and badges does not a car make.


Here's what the AMG Catalog says....
"A fine die-cast metal AMG logo for the decklid is available only with the purchase of two or more AMG exterior modification items. The emblem can be selected on original chrome, matte-black, or a paint to match your AMG finish. - page 42 of the "black" AMG Catalogue Copyright 1987 AMG of North America.

But.... the catalogue is from AMG NA. At the time EPA and NHTSB regulations prohibited the importation of complete cars. Engines, if they were used at all, were either sent in a crate or in pieces to be built here. Usually Richard Buxbaum had the engines built by John Hajuck (sp) of Motorcraft.
My ex, one of them, bought a Dino from him and his house had an original Bugatti radiator implanted in the wall. The house (he has since moved) is about a mile from where I am now, I'm tempted to stop over and ask if the radiator is still there.

Not sure this will ever be resolved, but AMG cars with engines built by AMG in Germany are VERY rare in the USA, (unless one is in the Atlanta area in which case they are like Jews at the Wailing Wall) no question about it.
RB sold his stash to Barry Taylor, who got him importation certificate revoked BTW, when he closed shop. So how does one determine if a car is real.... does it matter if someone has a bumper and skirts (the two exterior items) and NOS badge and places them on the car in 1988 or 2013 ? The only proof of when it was placed would be a dated receipt (easily faked) from fitting a bumper and skirts, and 99% of the time that would have been tossed. I don't want to give anyone the blues but to muddy the waters even more, some work was done for cash, shocking but people wanted a discount and the shop wanted it off the books. Hence, no receipt was given at the time.
So, IMHO, a car with 2 real items "can" be an AMG car in NA according to a catalogue produced by the official importer and "manufacturer" (USA) of AMG cars.
Not sure where this is going, if anywhere, but I am "afraid" to post this on BW.... my simple posting looking for a car has elicited a furry of interesting and cute responses showing both the civility and knowledge of those who have access to a keyboard AND the Internet.
But... like everything else, it's Gerry's fault. The mere mention of his name has caused an uproar. It's not that they don't like him (they don't) they don't that his knowledge is far greater than theirs collectively. Small people they are, amusing, but small.
As a side note... I like when in their signature they write "Dynamat" in their listing... I should put down that I used WD40 on my 500E once....

Here's the thread for those who have too much time on their hands....
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1830569-wtb-126-560-sec.html

Ron
 
Thanks for providing some great late night entertainment. Much better than counting sheep.
 
Thanks for providing some great late night entertainment. Much better than counting sheep.
All I get is the attached when I try to go to Benzworld.

Ron, you have NOT out-Honcho'd me until you obtain not just a simple "BAN", but a full-on IP (internet protocol) address ban. Like me. You see, that's how much they love me ... they use the most egregious type of ban possible, LOL !!

Judging by Maui's post above.... the expected/requisite fisticuffs & Benzworld 126 forum stupidity must have already started.

Right?!?

If he hasn't already, McLiar should be chiming in any time now, seeing the mere mention of my name should set him off and get him to namecallin' ... last time he called me a "pussy," so I wonder what I'll be this time.

Some things never change....and so it goes.

Cheers,
Gerry
 

Attachments

  • Screenshot 2013-11-30 23.48.24.jpg
    Screenshot 2013-11-30 23.48.24.jpg
    154.9 KB · Views: 239
Thanks for providing some great late night entertainment. Much better than counting sheep.

All I get is the attached when I try to go to Benzworld.

Ron, you have NOT out-Honcho'd me until you obtain not just a simple "BAN", but a full-on IP (internet protocol) address ban. Like me. You see, that's how much they love me ... they use the most egregious type of ban possible, LOL !!

Judging by Maui's post above.... the expected/requisite fisticuffs & Benzworld 126 forum stupidity must have already started.

Right?!?

If he hasn't already, McLiar should be chiming in any time now, seeing the mere mention of my name should set him off and get him to namecallin' ... last time he called me a "pussy," so I wonder what I'll be this time.

Some things never change....and so it goes.

Cheers,
Gerry

Just click on Ron's user name and follow that to other posts by Ron500E. I'm thinking an IP ban could be in Ron's future, however I would not consider a ban from BW much of a loss. It has to be the worst forum I've ever belonged to. So I guess Grocho had it right when he said he would not want to be a member of any club that would allow him as a member…or something like that.

:detective:
 
Just click on Ron's user name and follow that to other posts by Ron500E. I'm thinking an IP ban could be in Ron's future, however I would not consider a ban from BW much of a loss. It has to be the worst forum I've ever belonged to. So I guess Grocho had it right when he said he would not want to be a member of any club that would allow him as a member…or something like that. :detective:

It's a shame because the 124 forum is quite different and completely civil.
Not to sound like a jerk but why to people who have the crappiest 126's think they are so important ???
I realize that a lot of enthusiasts, at this point in their life, do not have a lot of money to spend on their passion. But to denigrate someone who is looking for a top example, and is willing to pay the price for such a item, is beyond the pale. There are low mileage and well maintained cars out there but I bet none of the owners are on BW which subscribes to the "Duct Tape and Bailing Wire" method of repair it seems. I think a lot of the owners are somehow impressed with the fact that they drum roll..... "own a Mercedes" end drum roll. And are more interested in impressing cocktail waitresses and the uninformed general public than is appreciating their car for what it is, but that's just my assessment from their postings.
It boggles the mind.
One guy who "didn't like my attitude" (last time I heard THAT I was in 3rd grade and Sister Mary Holywater rapped my knuckles) said he'd refuse to sell me his car, not that I wanted a white car anyway.
I guess not taking my money for something he has for sale really showed me especially since the reason was I was lazy because I didn't empty my PM box...precious !
I think he's the same guy who listed that his car has full dynamat or something.... that's great, but is sound deadening something that one should list as a source of pride ? Maybe it is but...
I can imagine a newbie coming into the hobby and seeing that BS, it's enough to make them a full fledged bomb throwing environmentalist.

Kind Regards,

Ron
 
All I get is the attached when I try to go to Benzworld.

Very easy to circumvent - copy the thread URL - go to http://silentip.com/ - paste in the URL in the box under "where to do you want to go" and click "go now" - what IP Ban? :teufel:

I never went to Benzworld before now, well maybe as a result of doing a google search on something - are these people grown adults? I am being serious here......
 
Last edited:
Hi,

I live in Europe and can search some for you and send you the details if you are interested to buy one frome here, just tell me if you have any special demand? color, Km., price etc. ???

regards

Shah Kar
 
I have also a friend who has one from 1991, black, interior, black ex. and 190" km.
I think he is willing to sell it, if you want, send me message and I can ask.

regards
 
I have also a friend who has one from 1991, black interior, black ex. and 190" km.
I think he is willing to sell it, if you want, send me message and I can ask.
Ron said NO black cars.

:(
 
There are two blacks. One os 040 solid black, and then there's the 199 metallic blauschwartz that is common on 500E's/560SEC's. I'm assuming no blacks allowed, one degree or the other.

What about reds, such as Almandine/Padgett Red? I found a '89 560SEC with 70K last year in such a color with mushroom. Nice and classy, rare too like Malachite.

almadine560sec041.jpg
 
There are two blacks. One os 040 solid black, and then there's the 199 metallic blauschwartz that is common on 500E's/560SEC's. I'm assuming no blacks allowed, one degree or the other.

What about reds, such as Almandine/Padgett Red? I found a '89 560SEC with 70K last year in such a color with mushroom. Nice and classy, rare too like Malachite.

View attachment 23626

Hello:

Correct, no blacks allowed, either with or without the KKK (Kühnle, Kopp & Kausch) turbocharger that were popular in the old days. They used separate, but equal, length pipes in the dual set-ups used on V8 engines as I recall.
Martin, king of the Brooklands racers who went on to form Aston-Martin before the war, have some nice coloreds in their stable even today.
Some of them a quite photogenic, especially when posed with either a neutral or white house in the background. But as performers they fall quite short, strictly bush league.
Since the car was produced during the Reagan era I would have to say no Reds either, but Almandine or Cabernet would be fine, sort of an off red.
Kind Regards,

Ron
 
FYI:

Garnet Red Metallic / Almandine red is code 512.

Cabernet Red Metallic / Pajett red is code 587, and is sort of burgundy, slightly darker than Garnet/Almandine.

:watchdrama:
 
How are things going with the thread over on Banzworld? Are they being polite to you Ron?
 
Ron, you might look on the MBCA classifieds. They are open to non-members and occasionally some nice cars show up there. You might find a 126 coupe over there. From my limited experience, the cars over there tend to be fairly stock and not modified. www.mbca.org Good luck in your hunt. They are nice cars, and old enough to be fairly simple.
 
I love how people say "cash" buyer. Like some one is going to call ask for a payment plan?
 
Well... I just has a PPI done on a 1 owner "with all records" car with 78K miles for $7K in San Marino CA by Jeff's (Captuff) friend. The records consisted of a service book that was stamped, some MB parts replaced with, probably URine parts and a body that was used as a test subject for a battering ram. But other than that the motor mounts were replaced recently, too bad they were covered in oil by the use of a silicone sealer on something above them...

What a roach, and that's being kind.
The only thing the car had going for it was that it was far away from me, any closer and I would have moved...

Ron
 
Same town as Jono. Mmmm....mushroom !! :mushroom:

Too bad the chrome around the windows has been blacked out, and it has bling wheels. And it's an early Gen 2. The 1989-1991 (partic 1990 and 1991) cars are preferred, if possible.

167K miles, REPAINT, chain and guides done, 1" of service records, wood around shifter needs attention asking $5500. He's owned it for a year. I get the impression he flips cars but maybe I'm wrong. Trans has been replaced. Probably a nice driver. I love the color but a repaint kills the deal, damn.
He has another 560, silver, 176K asking $4500.
If it hadn't been repainted I would asked Jono to do a PPI by now.

Thanks,

Ron
 
Ron,

Joanna is You are likely going to have to kiss a fair number of frogs to find your 560SEC prince. Particularly when you go trolling the dregs of Benzworld to find it. If you had to listen to those guys describe their cars, McLiar's $60K-poured-in, salvage-title car would be a concours-winner (he claims it's the fastest car around), and cascade's car would be a factory AMG with motor hand-crafted by Richard Buxbaum himself!

I agree with the suggestion that you look in the MBCA classified ads, because there tend to be a lot of long-term-owned, less-modified cars there.

W126 specialist Bruce Mendel is also going to be a good bet to find a nice coupe.

You might also want to talk to my friend Robert Fenton, who at least USED to have an honest, 199-color 1991 560SEC with I think around 90K miles on it. 415-456-5151 or 415-999-0083 mobile. I think he still has it and I've actually considered buying it in past years. You can do worse than a 199 colored car ..... but I know you won't find a spruce green 126.045 !!!

Lastly, and probably honestly, Jono would be an excellent bet because he knows these cars and knows about when good ones come up.

Cheers,
Gerry
 
Find the best low mileage 560SEC that needs nothing and snag it. They're out there. You just have to be patient.
 

Who has viewed this thread (Total: 1) View details

Who has watched this thread (Total: 1) View details

Back
Top