Hard to believe then that he knows about these cars. You don't need a mechanic to identify a bad harness !
Yes and probably knew about it or was told but chose to ignore them.
+1 and shocking !
On a good note, at least Jono will put it right!
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SOLD 1994 E500, Silver/Black, 69kmi, $20k (Hollyweird, CA)
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Yes and probably knew about it or was told but chose to ignore them.
+1 and shocking !
On a good note, at least Jono will put it right!
Yes, he will . . .
Call from the seller after I sent him the list just to show what his mechanic had overlooked. He was very apologetic, pretty sure on the up and up about it. Told him when I drove the car for real the first time, it had less power than the '93 I'd totaled and floated like a W126 I used to own, things that can creep up on an owner, really notice them after they're replaced, or so was my experience. He is going to forward the list and link to the pics to his mechanic with a wtf and get back to me.
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Call from the seller after I sent him the list just to show what his mechanic had overlooked. He was very apologetic, pretty sure on the up and up about it. Told him when I drove the car for real the first time, it had less power than the '93 I'd totaled and floated like a W126 I used to own, things that can creep up on an owner, really notice them after they're replaced, or so was my experience. He is going to forward the list and link to the pics to his mechanic with a wtf and get back to me.
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Lee has lowered the price on his second E500 (click here to view forum thread). Here is his ad:
METICULOUSLY MAINTAINED 1994 Mercedes-Benz E500. Anthracite (metallic charcoal) exterior color with black leather interior. Hand-built co-creation of Mercedes and Porsche. Of the 1994s, only 374 of this prototype model were imported into the United States. The car was built as a prototype to test components for integration into future models at a cost to Mercedes of over $100,000.00 per vehicle. Because of its look, limited numbers, hand-built construction, and unique pedigree this E500 is already considered a CLASSIC by Mercedes Benz and Porsche. It accelerates 0-62 mph in slightly over 5 seconds. It is RARE, in PRISTINE CONDITION, LOW MILES (66,600), GARAGED, NON SMOKER and EXCELLENT VALUE AT THIS PRICE!!! It
METICULOUSLY MAINTAINED 1994 Mercedes-Benz E500. Anthracite (metallic charcoal) exterior color with black leather interior. Hand-built co-creation of Mercedes and Porsche. Of the 1994s, only 374 of this prototype model were imported into the United States. The car was built as a prototype to test components for integration into future models at a cost to Mercedes of over $100,000.00 per vehicle. Because of its look, limited numbers, hand-built construction, and unique pedigree this E500 is already considered a CLASSIC by Mercedes Benz and Porsche. It accelerates 0-62 mph in slightly over 5 seconds. It is RARE, in PRISTINE CONDITION, LOW MILES (66,600), GARAGED, NON SMOKER and EXCELLENT VALUE AT THIS PRICE!!! It
Any more feedback from seller and his mechanic?
Hi Ed,
If you're happy to post the details, I think it would be very valuable to know what it cost to fix the various items that were found. I'm looking at buying one and expect to have to do a lot of the same work. Also, the PO's 2nd car still shows for sale and I assume needs the same work and might appeal to me if he's wiling to negotiate.
Thanks
Where is his second car still showing for sale? I had thought it sold weeks ago?
It would not surprise me if it was indeed sold. But here it is...
http://autos.aol.com/used-detail--2687236336626920135-Mercedes-Benz-E-1994/
http://www.500eboard.com/forums/sho...00-Pearl-Black-Black-67kmi-20k-(Hollywood-CA)
http://autos.aol.com/used-detail--2687236336626920135-Mercedes-Benz-E-1994/
http://www.500eboard.com/forums/sho...00-Pearl-Black-Black-67kmi-20k-(Hollywood-CA)
Won't be a problem. I expect to pick it up this week. Add fried cats to the list of things wrong, root cause of the lack of thrust.
Nothing on the list suprises me- all very common stuff. At least the radiator/w-pump are not on the list and I guess no timing chain/guide issue which is positive(costly stuff).
I don't think you've damaged anything by driving on colapsed MM's. While not fun, they can be done by a handy- DIY'r. That will save you 5-6 hrs labor.
You can do all the steering components and even the struts. I've got new steering stuff as of last week:
idler arm bushing kit (parts.com) $102
Center link and RHS tie rod (??)~ $120
LHS tie rod(autohausaz.com) ~ $95
Caps and rotors OE is bosch and available @ amazon.com cheapest.
MM's are about $165/each from parts.com and you'll need the transmission mount ~$65.
On Jono's list was "EZL has never had it's thermal paste replaced/renewed."
How- what do we use to renew thermal grease? I've never done it on my cars.. Maybe need to do coils on my 500e.
Michael
I don't think you've damaged anything by driving on colapsed MM's. While not fun, they can be done by a handy- DIY'r. That will save you 5-6 hrs labor.
You can do all the steering components and even the struts. I've got new steering stuff as of last week:
idler arm bushing kit (parts.com) $102
Center link and RHS tie rod (??)~ $120
LHS tie rod(autohausaz.com) ~ $95
Caps and rotors OE is bosch and available @ amazon.com cheapest.
MM's are about $165/each from parts.com and you'll need the transmission mount ~$65.
On Jono's list was "EZL has never had it's thermal paste replaced/renewed."
How- what do we use to renew thermal grease? I've never done it on my cars.. Maybe need to do coils on my 500e.
Michael
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It's not grease ... it's paste that is designed to ease and facilitate heat transfer between two surfaces. Unplug and unbolt the EZL from the inner fender-well. Get some thermal paste for microprocessors at your local Fry's Electronics (or perhaps Radio Shack would have it, but I don't think so). It's the same stuff you use between processors and heat-sinks when building your own PC.
Apply a fairly thick (1-1.5mm) even coat to the bottom of the EZL after cleaning off the old paste residue. Re-attach and then re-plug-in the EZL and you're good.
Cheers,
Gerry
The Resurrection list is posted below.
With labor, this was, of course, well north of $10k, making the all-in cost for a low mileage E500 about $10k too high against the market in this forum. That being said, it is now the beast it should be, no more floating around the road, and punching the throttle at 60 mph will set you back in the seat with an effortless climb to 90+. There's nothing quite like having to throttle back on an on-ramp.
I do want to make one more comment on the seller, since there is some thought he mis-represented the car. My wife told me a few weeks ago that, when all the papers were signed and the seller's wife had to hand over the keys, she literally broke down and cried over this car, it was hers. She was described as a smaller woman, probably a little over 5' tall, and I think the car probably felt just fine to her. I put the blame squarely on the seller's mechanic and, well, me for accepting internet information on the car and conversations with that mechanic and the seller, and figuring the car would need just updated suspension pieces and wiring harnesses.
If that other car shows up for sale again and there isn't a long list of recently completed maintenance offered, it is worth about $10k . . . 70k miles . . .
The List:
With labor, this was, of course, well north of $10k, making the all-in cost for a low mileage E500 about $10k too high against the market in this forum. That being said, it is now the beast it should be, no more floating around the road, and punching the throttle at 60 mph will set you back in the seat with an effortless climb to 90+. There's nothing quite like having to throttle back on an on-ramp.
I do want to make one more comment on the seller, since there is some thought he mis-represented the car. My wife told me a few weeks ago that, when all the papers were signed and the seller's wife had to hand over the keys, she literally broke down and cried over this car, it was hers. She was described as a smaller woman, probably a little over 5' tall, and I think the car probably felt just fine to her. I put the blame squarely on the seller's mechanic and, well, me for accepting internet information on the car and conversations with that mechanic and the seller, and figuring the car would need just updated suspension pieces and wiring harnesses.
If that other car shows up for sale again and there isn't a long list of recently completed maintenance offered, it is worth about $10k . . . 70k miles . . .
The List:
- Dist Caps/Rotors/Adapters
- Coils
- Alternator / Stager (Lower) Harness
- Engine (Upper) Harness
- ETA
- Cam Oilers
- Valve cover gaskets
- L & R tie rod/center link
- Fan Clutch
- Strut Mounts/Bump Stops/Bellows
- Rear Thrust Arms
- All flluids (flushed twice, then re-filled)
- Engine and Transmission Mounts
- Tires (elective) MVM4HX
- Early LH/Reset Adaptation
- Rear Sway bar links
- EZL Paste
- Rear Passenger Door Panel (little 1" tear that seller worried the most about)
- Antenna grommet
- Timing Chain
- Upper Rails (little bits and pieces in the oil pan)
- Oil level sender
- Oil Pressure sender
- Timing chain tensioner
- Catalytic converters (16 psi backpressure from the old ones!!!!!)
- Oxygen sensor
- Fuel filter
- Fender liners/panels, etc
- Fire extinguisher (elective)
- Ignition wires
- Thermostat
- Front discs (had been turned to where they were noticeably thinner to Jono's naked eye)
- Pads and sensors
- Front wheel bearings
- Steering shock
- Breather hoses (crumbly)
- Air cleaner mounts
- Air cleaners
- Clear short in the illumination circuit (crispy wiring to the license plate light, up in the trunk)
- Fuse kit (Jono hates aged fuse blocks and fuses)
- Re-seal power steering pump
- ATF Cooler line
- Exhaust hangers
- Koni Yellows front shocks
- LCA's and sway bar bushings
Thanks. I'm looking at a 75K mile car. Elderly first owner in declining health, 1,500 miles in the last few years. I assume it will need the same level of effort.
I will add that Ed's car is truly a pleasure to drive now.
She pulls strong, hugs Ever so nicely.
Does EVERYTHING is should and does it Very, Very well.
Bringing these cars back really is rewarding in a very intangible sort of way.... As much work and effort as went in, having her come out the way she did And having Ed happy with the results is ever so gratifying.
Happy Motoring
jono
She pulls strong, hugs Ever so nicely.
Does EVERYTHING is should and does it Very, Very well.
Bringing these cars back really is rewarding in a very intangible sort of way.... As much work and effort as went in, having her come out the way she did And having Ed happy with the results is ever so gratifying.
Happy Motoring
jono
All that work done by a competent and meticulous mechanic, I should think so too!the car should look & drive like brand new, and isn't likely to have any issues for a VERY long time. The end result was well worth the effort, just a bit painful on the wallet!!
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