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Aux Fan Resistor almost burned up my car

billsutton

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My auxillery fans were not working. Car was getting very hot (see attached photo) Took the car to Redd's in Annapolis. Replaced a relay and a resistor. I drove the car home, on a hot day (yesterday, 95 degF). Engine temp ran normal, aux fans working, but noticed smoke coming from under the ABS (ASR) bok behing the drivers side headlight. The new resistor was glowing red like an oversized cigaratte lighter, and was starting to burn, I assume, a wiring harness. Car going back into shop tomorrow.

Appreciate any shared experience on this.
 

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Bill - your posted photo indicates that the engine was way TOO hot. You should definitely have the fan clutch looked at because a faulty fan clutch is most likely the cause of the high engine temperature. Regarding the aux fan resistor issue.....take a look at this thread:

http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5431


GSXR update: Make sure to read post #108 in the thread linked above, click here for a direct link.
 
Bill, I agree with Greg, you may have multiple issues here. The photo shows an indicated temp around 107-110C which is abnormally high, even in 95F ambients. You'll need to do some basic tests on the cooling system like pressure test, replace the thermostat if it's more than 7-10 years old, make sure the radiator cap is good (new OEM Reutter are under $10, cheap insurance), confirm the condenser and radiator fins are not blocked with insects/leaves/debris, and of course verify the mechanical fan clutch is fully engaged when the temp is ~100C or more. Normally, the temp should rarely exceed ~100°C in ambient temps under ~100°F even with the AC running while stuck in traffic.

Back to the glowing-red resistor... that's not good. This indicates excessive current draw either due to bad / corroded electrical connections, or failing electric fan motors. More testing will be required to see what is going on.

In the meantime, I would check to make sure your low-speed fan fuse is the correct rating, in case a previous owner or mechanic "helped" things by installing a higher-rated fuse. To access this you have to remove the cover over the rear compartment behind the fuse area (6 Phillips screws) and look for two cube relays with built-in fuses. One should be blue with a 15-20A fuse (low speed fan) and the other is green or orange with 30A or 40A (high speed fan), although the colors may vary slightly.

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Bill, the resistor behind the left headlamp is a major problem. Easy and cheap to replace, but you may have to rebuild and splice in some heavier AWG wire into the harness. Also, the metal covering if it still exists, do not put it back on. If the horn is still there, do not put it back on. The heat/cool cycle corrodes the wires 3-5" up the harness and they are but a few strands left to conduct current. Another issue there is the ABS plastic covering the headlamp assembly. That has a small hole to allow airflow from a tube from the headlamp itself. Klink and others have mentioned it so consider making that hole the size of a quarter as opposed to the size of a dime. I put another hole on the edge closer to the fender side to promote more airflow. That thing glows, melts the plastic on that horn and it drips and smokes. On the C/W126 that is hidden deep under the fuse box, where all the leaves and pine needles nest. That is a ongoing fire hazard.
 
Bill, on an unrelated point, your oil pressure gauge looks to not be working. Pressure should be around 1 (if I remember correctly) at idle after the car has warmed up. Have you had your lower harness replaced? Does the gauge generally work?
 
After fighting this problem for years I took some brass sheeting cut into a 1/4 inch wide strip and used it as an extension to the upper resistor electrical connection. This extension provides better heat dissipation protecting the wires' plastic insulation. Still the heat from the resistor causes corrosion. My resistor needed replacing every three to four years or so.
 
Update: It's a hot day here, 95 defF. My mechanic ran the car with AC on, aux fan motors on. At first the draw from the motors was about 5 amps. As everything continued to run the amp draw increased, ultimately to 30 amps. So, as the aux fan run and heat up the amperage draw increases, to the point the resistor is glowing hot. His recommendation is to put new aux motors in.
 
It's always been like that at idle. Oil is a proper level, as soon as you rev the enging the gauge reads full. Like the original ambient temp gauge on the dash, another East German part from Stasi Auto Supply?
 
Update: It's a hot day here, 95 defF. My mechanic ran the car with AC on, aux fan motors on. At first the draw from the motors was about 5 amps. As everything continued to run the amp draw increased, ultimately to 30 amps. So, as the aux fan run and heat up the amperage draw increases, to the point the resistor is glowing hot. His recommendation is to put new aux motors in.
The fans COULD be bad. However, if the wiring (or a bad connection) is heating up and causing excess resistance upstream, the current draw could increase dramatically as you experienced, even with brand new fans. Further diagnosis would be advisable before throwing hundreds of dollars in new fans in (I'm guessing 4+ hours labor, maybe $500, plus cost of fans which is another few hundred bucks). Would really be a bummer to have the same issue with new fans.

Easy test would be to disconnect the fans (there's a plug near the driver headlight somewhere, IIRC) and connect them to a loose battery which is fully charged, and monitor current draw from the fans while running directly off a separate battery. If the draw spikes the same as before, the fans are bad. I would be surprised if this was the root cause. I'm suspicious of the wiring. Also... 30A draw should have blown the 15A fuse, if testing on low speed. On high speed the fans could pull 25+ amps.


It's always been like that at idle. Oil is a proper level, as soon as you rev the enging the gauge reads full. Like the original ambient temp gauge on the dash, another East German part from Stasi Auto Supply?
If the gauge pegs at 3 when you rev the engine, it's likely the oil pressure sending unit is bad. Very common failure, I've had to change them on almost every one of my cars. New Hella/VDO sender is roughly $60 or so and less than an hour labor to install; fairly easy DIY if you have basic tools. Worst part is the tight squeeze getting your hands in there. Gerry might have even done a HOW-TO writeup on this...


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If you're going to replace the auxiliary fans, it might be a good time to change some other things if you haven't already done so because of labor overlap and importance to the cooling system. E.g. radiator and main fan clutch (the clutch can be replaced without removing the radiator etc., but doing so makes the job easier).

Be warned though, aux fans and fan clutch are a lot more expensive than you might think - about $1,300 for the 2 aux fans and a new clutch. I just had this job done a month ago and it still annoys me that the parts were so pricey. Some have opted for a cheaper aftermarket clutch from ACM. If you search, you'll see plenty of info about that.

EDIT - note that this $1,300 is just for parts. As GSXR noted above, there is +4 hours of labor involved in changing them.
 
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"If the gauge pegs at 3 when you rev the engine, it's likely the oil pressure sending unit is bad. Very common failure, I've had to change them on almost every one of my cars." Isn't that what it suppose to do? Peg when you rev the motor? 3 bars is only about ~45 psi. Low pressure at idle and pulsing were reasons to replace it.

Glad the fan fixed it!
 
"If the gauge pegs at 3 when you rev the engine, it's likely the oil pressure sending unit is bad. Very common failure, I've had to change them on almost every one of my cars." Isn't that what it suppose to do? Peg when you rev the motor? 3 bars is only about ~45 psi. Low pressure at idle and pulsing were reasons to replace it.
His issue is the gauge indicating zero bar at idle, which is another likely indicator of a bad sending unit.

First I've heard of bad fan motors pulling excess current. Still no explanation of why a 30A draw did not blow a 20A fuse (remember, 1994-up models do not use a strip fuse for the twin fans.)

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As motors age, they draw more current. That's just how it goes- of they fail. Remember on the original 124.030's the hvac fan fuse was in the fuse box and as they would age, they would draw heavy current and the fusebox would melt. There was a service bulletin and a wire kit to mount an external lead fuse as a remedy.

Just says you should verify current draw if there is harness damage. I had always assumed corrosion and increased resistance at the fan resistor- creating heat and self destructing.

Michael
 
As motors age, they draw more current. That's just how it goes- of they fail. Remember on the original 124.030's the hvac fan fuse was in the fuse box and as they would age, they would draw heavy current and the fusebox would melt. There was a service bulletin and a wire kit to mount an external lead fuse as a remedy.
Yes - for the HVAC motor, I am aware of that phenomenon. The early W124's, circa 1986-1987, use a 25A "torpedo" fuse. The upgrade was to the external 30A strip fuse which was phased into production somewhere around 1988, IIRC?



Just says you should verify current draw if there is harness damage. I had always assumed corrosion and increased resistance at the fan resistor- creating heat and self destructing.
Agreed, checking current draw would be smart on the auxiliary cooling fans. However, this is the first time I've heard it mentioned, ever. The HVAC fan runs continuously any time the ignition is on; the twin auxiliary fans generally only see intermittent use in cooler climates such as Maryland.

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Wow, that's an exquisite looking repair! Nice work. Here's what I wanted to rant on earlier and couldn't. There are some "off label" use prescriptions here in my post, so caution is advised and YMMV:

First here's what actually goes wrong with these resistors: They were mounted in that awkward position that causes all of the heat from that glowing! (yes, look at it in the dark) resistor element to rise upwards over the upper wire termination. This extreme thermal exposure with resultant expansion and contraction causes the threaded attachment to eventually loosen. The loose connection eventually gains resistance to the point that it overheats and burns. This heat also travels along the copper, causing the insulation to burn, which in turn also releases corrosives that infect the termination. The syndrome continues unabated until the connection finally fails and/or the wire breaks.

Two things hasten this process along: The first and most common is that many, if not most of these cars have fan clutches that haven't worked correctly, if at all, since the day the car was built. This caused the auxiliary fans to work almost constantly in a futile effort to cool these lumps off.

Note that if the air conditioning compressor is engaged, the auxiliary fan low speed is usually switched on in a very short time as the refrigerant pressure rises to above 16 bar shortly after start up on a summer day. That is all good. That's why the auxiliary fans are there. They protect and enhance the air conditioner in those conditions where the refrigerant pressure is high, the engine fan is idling (not yet heated up enough to engage), and the vehicle is at low speeds or stationary. In the cars with inadequate fan clutch action, (remember, that's a lot of them), the auxiliary fan low speed was switched on in almost any operating condition whenever the ac compressor was engaged, so that terminal junction got a lot of heat a lot of the time. It didn't stand much chance of survival. Also not surviving this abuse were the low speed auxiliary fan fuses which were either 15 or 16 amp depending on which of the several wiring and relay arrangements that these cars had. Regardless of that and on the subject of fuses, only the Germans would fuse a circuit with a fuse having a capacity only slightly above the current passed through a correctly functioning circuit so that the fuse is frequently overheated and cracks incessantly in hot climates just from the constant thermal cycling. Hello poor ac performance and short lifespan of the high pressure ac componentry including poor Mr. Kompressor. Also, hello such concoctions as the "cool harness" causing the high speed auxiliary fans to work incessantly while duty cycling off the ac compressor to prevent high temperatures, the engine temperature in this case, not yours. The various inoperative fan clutches and low speed auxiliary fans running around out there are why people think these things are just the cat's ass.

WARNING, AUCHTUNG! An "Off label use alert" is in effect for all of the following: You are free to agree or disagree. I've been through these circuits 6 ways from Sunday and have at least 20 years of real world "testing" experience for the advice I offer below. But be warned that it is "approved" by no one, and "tested and verified" by no laboratory or engineer! If you do what I suggest and your car and whatever it is parked in burns to the ground, I KNOW that none of this advice caused it, but still don't tell me about it because I won't care, because as I said, I know this didn't cause it. There, you've been warned.

Now here's what I advise:

For all 107, 123, 126, and 124, If you have a red ceramic 16 amp auxiliary fan fuse in your fuse box [fuse D on the 124], replace it with a blue 25A fuse. It will stop chronically cracking putting thousands of dollars of your refrigeration system at risk. If you develop an actual high current consumption situation, it will burn open as it should and protect the wiring. [Note: This applies to non-V8 models of the 124 chassis. The 400E/500E do not use fuse D as the power feed for the twin auxiliary fans.]

[The pre-facelift, 1992-1993 USA model year 400E/500E have an external 30A strip fuse, typically located behind the brake booster. This 30A strip fuse feeds the single large fan relay K9. See attached image/screenshot with schematic from ETM.]

For facelift (1994-95 USA model year) E420/E500 only: If you have a blue 15 amp blade fuse in the blue low speed auxiliary fan relay (K9/1), replace it with a yellow 20A fuse for the same reason stated just above. [The high speed relay (K10) may have either a 30A or 40A fuse. See attached FSM ETM PDF; note the schematic differs between -->1993 and for 1994-->.]



The other reason that these resistors cook and fail is that MB kind of mistakenly (IMO again) thought this resistor a hazard early in the V8 124's lifespan. The hazard (ok, usually just some smoke) was actually caused by an aesthetic measure: The cramped quarters in the V8124 caused them to locate the alarm horn in plain sight right there between the brake hydraulic unit and the headlamp. Someone at MB obviously thought that this rude and often corroded bright metal clashed with the acres of black plastic surrounding it. They therefor fashioned a black plastic trim ring that fitted around the circumference of this alarm horn there by making it blend in better with the rest of the black plastic. Low and behold, this plastic ring would get all squidgy from the under-hood heat (remember those fan clutches?), and fall off the alarm horn. Then where would they land? Right on that hot auxiliary fan resistor! How you like that, Smokey?

In response to this, did they have us remove the trim ring from the ATA horns? Yes they did. Then they also built in at the factory, or had us retrofit a freaking sarcophagus around that damn resistor! That's why most of these cars have an additional perforated heat shield around these things. It was yet one more thing that tried to kill these overworked resistors and their associated connections. Many of these shields are missing because technicians recognized them for the additional menace as opposed to safeguard that they actually were and they often didn't seem to find their way back onto the vehicles. So here's another off label use. Make sure there's nothing near that resistor, and that anything that could find its way to it, such as a unsecured wire, is properly secured in a position well away from the resistor. Then, assemble the resistor such that it has no additional covering. IMO, it should look exactly as Doug has it in that picture. No less, definitely no more.

Here's another "off label" modification: Let those puppies breathe! Not those puppies, Andy. I'm talking about these resistors. This is very easy to do with the headlamp out, and still doable with the headlamp installed. Using a die grinder, Dremel, or the like, cut a ventilation opening in lowermost vertical portion of the surround shell of the left air guide, just forward of and slightly below the resistor. Here's a few pictures. Expand the pictures and you can easily see the hole, along with my fickle finger through it just in case you can't:

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There is already a guide for you right there, as the USA cars prior to '94 have a blanking plug or a knockout plug in that very place that you need to open up, and the Euro cars / USA '94 and later cars have the ventilation hose for the headlamp housing passing through this hole. Make sure that this ventilation hose is still in place after you add a resistor vent hole, as its purpose is to prevent the overpressure that may exist in these air guides when the vehicle is at speed from entering the headlamp units causing dirtiness and condensation. You Euro lamp fitters removed these blanking plugs and installed the vent hoses for your lamps, didn't you? I bet you will now...
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OK. I replaced my resistor as a preventative measure. The old one didn't look too bad. I also took off the sarcophagus and made sure there is enough ventilation going through a hole in the surround shell of the left air guide.

Of course I replaced it while leaving the headlight IN, which was A BEAR to get the lower mounting nut on. And of course I replaced it TWICE (arrrghhh) because the first time I installed the metal base the wrong way around. I am getting good at putting that lower mounting nut back on purely by feel.

My question is: what do I need to do to test the fans at HIGH SPEED in the garage first (without driving anywhere) to ensure that the resistor is working properly and nothing is burning? I've read that testing the fans' LOW SPEED involves shorting the two leads at the red pressure switch above the drier (with the key on) --- but I want to test HIGH SPEED (max current). Thanks.

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Jlaa, the resistor is only in the low-speed circuit. If you test the low speed fans and they work, the resistor wiring is "all good".

The high speed bypasses the resistor. You can test this by turning the ignition to position 2 and removing the 2-pin temp sensor connector. If the fans don't turn on high speed, short out the female sockets on the connector (simulating very high temp), this should trigger the fans on high speed.

BTW - I'd still like to figure out if there is an anti-corrosion paste we can apply to these terminals. (NOT die-electric grease, which is an insulator, not a conductor.)

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I wish I'd known this when I got mine replaced a few years back. I noticed it smoking at stop lights after freeway runs in stop and go beach traffic. I just pointed it out and got a new one. Didn't think about relocation and I guess the guys didn't either (or didn't figure I wanted to pay for a relocation). Surely they see enough W140s. Oh well, the old one lasted 25 years so I doubt I'll be thinking about that again.

maw
 
Nothing smells better than the plastic melting within the sarcophagus of that resistor.
Oh, it was horrible. And I was on vacation at the time. That + the WTF is that feeling watching small trails of smoke rising over my driver's headlight was just too much for me. :doh: You know, you can't be in one of these and have it emitting untoward sounds and smells. At least I can't...

maw
 

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