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Auxiliary (electric twin cooling) Fan Troubles - Resistor wiring problem

Guys,
I found the problem after re-reading this thread and finding a procedure to remove the headlight unit so I could take a close look at the high-current low speed resister. There was very bad corrosion in the wires at the resistor stud. Copper was completely corroded to green and connector fell off of the end. I do now find 12V+ from the high speed fan relay and also from the low speed fan relay at the leads which route back to the relay panel.

This explains why I was seeing 12V+ at the female side of the fan connector. Once there was a load applied, the corrosion prevented any current flow and voltage dropped to zero.

Having cut out the resistor I added to emulate the "cool harness" functionality, I'm not sure I'll add a new one back in. It doesn't really matter if the fans come on at 107C or 98C, as long as they come on! :D

Thank you for the prompting along to help find the issue.

Doug

In the immortal words of Borat, "Great Success!"

Indeed if you are depending on your auxiliary fan highs to cool your engine instead of simply being there to help the air conditioner, you are yet another of the M119 unfortunates whose auxiliary fans are busy doing the engine fan's job. Defective fan clutches are 90% or more of the reason these engines wind up hovering at 100°C plus. Fully restore your low speed fan operation (your air conditioner depends on it) and make sure your fan clutch is operating. By the time the coolant temperature is around 95deg.C. your belt driven engine fan should be generating a hurricane between idle and 2500-3500 rpm depending on version, condition, etc. There is a lot of discussion about this throughout this forum. The auxiliary fan's main job is to spring to life at it's low speed setting as the refrigerant high pressure goes over about 15bar. The additional high speed setting via coolant temperature is just a "safety" additional function for operation in extreme conditions or in the event that other parts (such as the fan clutch) fail.
 
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I spent multiple trips to the Indy, replaced this and that, I wish someone had just told me "Pull the headlight, fix the resister it is the most likely source of failure". I went anal and added a high temperature rated jumper from the factory wires back to the resister (heat source), soldered, heat shrink total mil-spec repair. I think I can pull the headlight bucket in < 5 minutes now also.

I take so much away from this forum it felt good to actually add something. Dave and the guys contribute so much for us!
 
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In the immortal words of Borat, "Great Success!"

Indeed if you are depending on your auxiliary fan highs to cool your engine instead of simply being there to help the air conditioner, you are yet another of the M119 unfortunates whose auxiliary fans are busy doing the engine fan's job. Defective fan clutches are 90% or more of the reason these engines wind up hovering at 100°C plus. Fully restore your low speed fan operation (your air conditioner depends on it) and make sure your fan clutch is operating. By the time the coolant temperature is around 95deg.C. your belt driven engine fan should be generating a hurricane between idle and 2500-3500 rpm depending on version, condition, etc. There is a lot of discussion about this throughout this forum. The auxiliary fan's main job is to spring to life at it's low speed setting as the refrigerant high pressure goes over about 15bar. The additional high speed setting via coolant temperature is just a "safety" additional function for operation in extreme conditions or in the event that other parts (such as the fan clutch) fail.

I added a few pictures to round things out on the diagnosis.

HMMM... good info on the engine belt driven cooling fan. Do you only recommend the OEM fan clutch? I remember they are rather pricey, but perhaps you also recommend there is an alternative?
Once the high speed cooling fan failed, the engine became quite hot (225F) sitting inline at my daughter's school. It was rather humid and at most 80F. Perhaps I need to attend to the fan clutch?

thank you for the good advice.

Doug
 
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A short update. Note, I removed about 4" of wire on both the leads to the fan and also from the high speed (temperature relay) because the insulation had been overheated and had become brittle and no longer pliable. I removed enough to a point where the insulation was in good shape.

To make my repair... I used non-insulated butt joint connectors with high quality marine wire. The leads to the high speed relay is 12 gauge and those to fan are 14 gauge.

I bought some fiberglass impregnated wire heat sheathing to protect the new wiring along with some high-temp, adhesive-lined shrink tubing to keep the ends from fraying. I also used thick wall, adhesive lined shrink tubing over the (non-insulated) butt joint connections, too. You can see the finished product and a shot of the new resistor where I was testing the AC pressure triggered (low speed). The resistor drops voltage at the low speed to very near 10V (see shot of DVM).

I installed the new resistor because the connector studs were badly corroded so that the threads were no longer serviceable (as if badly galled). I found it on ebay for about $35 shipped.

Finally, I included a shot of the fiberglass sheathing made by Davlyn.

The connectors, shrink tubing, sheathing are all available from McMaster.com

Doug

One more note: I used some high temp copper terminal grease to hopefully keep the terminal ends of the resistor from corroding prematurely or from galling. With luck, I won't need to address this again for a long time.
A second note: I routed my wires a bit differently from the factory with the aim of keeping their high temperature exposure as minimal as possible.
 
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BTW - I bought and installed the new ACM fan clutch and the engine idles at 85C on my dash gauge. It has never run that cool in 75F + ambient temps, that is without assistance from the electric fans.
As Klink pointed out, the electric fans probably aren't meant to run too often. I suspect this hastened the failure of the fan wiring.
 
A short update. Note, I removed about 4" of wire on both the leads to the fan and also from the high speed (temperature relay) because the insulation had been overheated and had become brittle and no longer pliable. I removed enough to a point where the insulation was in good shape.

To make my repair... I used non-insulated butt joint connectors with high quality marine wire. The leads to the high speed relay is 12 gauge and those to fan are 14 gauge.

I bought some fiberglass impregnated wire heat sheathing to protect the new wiring along with some high-temp, adhesive-lined shrink tubing to keep the ends from fraying. I also used thick wall, adhesive lined shrink tubing over the (non-insulated) butt joint connections, too. You can see the finished product and a shot of the new resistor where I was testing the AC pressure triggered (low speed). The resistor drops voltage at the low speed to very near 10V (see shot of DVM).

I installed the new resistor because the connector studs were badly corroded so that the threads were no longer serviceable (as if badly galled). I found it on ebay for about $35 shipped.

Finally, I included a shot of the fiberglass sheathing made by Davlyn.

The connectors, shrink tubing, sheathing are all available from McMaster.com

Doug

One more note: I used some high temp copper terminal grease to hopefully keep the terminal ends of the resistor from corroding prematurely or from galling. With luck, I won't need to address this again for a long time.
A second note: I routed my wires a bit differently from the factory with the aim of keeping their high temperature exposure as minimal as possible.

Wow, that's an exquisite looking repair! Nice work. Here's what I wanted to rant on earlier and couldn't. There are some "off label" use prescriptions here in my post, so caution is advised and YMMV:

First here's what actually goes wrong with these resistors: They were mounted in that awkward position that causes all of the heat from that glowing! (yes, look at it in the dark) resistor element to rise upwards over the upper wire termination. This extreme thermal exposure with resultant expansion and contraction causes the threaded attachment to eventually loosen. The loose connection eventually gains resistance to the point that it overheats and burns. This heat also travels along the copper, causing the insulation to burn, which in turn also releases corrosives that infect the termination. The syndrome continues unabated until the connection finally fails and/or the wire breaks.

Two things hasten this process along: The first and most common is that many, if not most of these cars have fan clutches that haven't worked correctly, if at all, since the day the car was built. This caused the auxiliary fans to work almost constantly in a futile effort to cool these lumps off.

Note that if the air conditioning compressor is engaged, the auxiliary fan low speed is usually switched on in a very short time as the refrigerant pressure rises to above 16 bar shortly after start up on a summer day. That is all good. That's why the auxiliary fans are there. They protect and enhance the air conditioner in those conditions where the refrigerant pressure is high, the engine fan is idling (not yet heated up enough to engage), and the vehicle is at low speeds or stationary. In the cars with inadequate fan clutch action, (remember, that's a lot of them), the auxiliary fan low speed was switched on in almost any operating condition whenever the ac compressor was engaged, so that terminal junction got a lot of heat a lot of the time. It didn't stand much chance of survival. Also not surviving this abuse were the low speed auxiliary fan fuses which were either 15 or 16 amp depending on which of the several wiring and relay arrangements that these cars had. Regardless of that and on the subject of fuses, only the Germans would fuse a circuit with a fuse having a capacity only slightly above the current passed through a correctly functioning circuit so that the fuse is frequently overheated and cracks incessantly in hot climates just from the constant thermal cycling. Hello poor ac performance and short lifespan of the high pressure ac componentry including poor Mr. Kompressor. Also, hello such concoctions as the "cool harness" causing the high speed auxiliary fans to work incessantly while duty cycling off the ac compressor to prevent high temperatures, the engine temperature in this case, not yours. The various inoperative fan clutches and low speed auxiliary fans running around out there are why people think these things are just the cat's ass.

WARNING, AUCHTUNG! An "Off label use alert" is in effect for all of the following: You are free to agree or disagree. I've been through these circuits 6 ways from Sunday and have at least 20 years of real world "testing" experience for the advice I offer below. But be warned that it is "approved" by no one, and "tested and verified" by no laboratory or engineer! If you do what I suggest and your car and whatever it is parked in burns to the ground, I KNOW that none of this advice caused it, but still don't tell me about it because I won't care, because as I said, I know this didn't cause it. There, you've been warned.

Now here's what I advise:

For all 107, 123, 126, and 124, If you have a red ceramic 16 amp auxiliary fan fuse in your fuse box [fuse D on the 124], replace it with a blue 25A fuse. It will stop chronically cracking putting thousands of dollars of your refrigeration system at risk. If you develop an actual high current consumption situation, it will burn open as it should and protect the wiring. [Note: This applies to non-V8 models of the 124 chassis. The 400E/500E do not use fuse D as the power feed for the twin auxiliary fans.]

[The pre-facelift, 1992-1993 USA model year 400E/500E have an external 30A strip fuse, typically located behind the brake booster. This 30A strip fuse feeds the single large fan relay K9. See attached image/screenshot with schematic from ETM.]

For facelift (1994-95 USA model year) E420/E500 only: If you have a blue 15 amp blade fuse in the blue low speed auxiliary fan relay (K9/1), replace it with a yellow 20A fuse for the same reason stated just above. [The high speed relay (K10) may have either a 30A or 40A fuse. See attached FSM ETM PDF; note the schematic differs between -->1993 and for 1994-->.]



The other reason that these resistors cook and fail is that MB kind of mistakenly (IMO again) thought this resistor a hazard early in the V8 124's lifespan. The hazard (ok, usually just some smoke) was actually caused by an aesthetic measure: The cramped quarters in the V8124 caused them to locate the alarm horn in plain sight right there between the brake hydraulic unit and the headlamp. Someone at MB obviously thought that this rude and often corroded bright metal clashed with the acres of black plastic surrounding it. They therefor fashioned a black plastic trim ring that fitted around the circumference of this alarm horn there by making it blend in better with the rest of the black plastic. Low and behold, this plastic ring would get all squidgy from the under-hood heat (remember those fan clutches?), and fall off the alarm horn. Then where would they land? Right on that hot auxiliary fan resistor! How you like that, Smokey?

In response to this, did they have us remove the trim ring from the ATA horns? Yes they did. Then they also built in at the factory, or had us retrofit a freaking sarcophagus around that damn resistor! That's why most of these cars have an additional perforated heat shield around these things. It was yet one more thing that tried to kill these overworked resistors and their associated connections. Many of these shields are missing because technicians recognized them for the additional menace as opposed to safeguard that they actually were and they often didn't seem to find their way back onto the vehicles. So here's another off label use. Make sure there's nothing near that resistor, and that anything that could find its way to it, such as a unsecured wire, is properly secured in a position well away from the resistor. Then, assemble the resistor such that it has no additional covering. IMO, it should look exactly as Doug has it in that picture. No less, definitely no more.

Here's another "off label" modification: Let those puppies breathe! Not those puppies, Andy. I'm talking about these resistors. This is very easy to do with the headlamp out, and still doable with the headlamp installed. Using a die grinder, Dremel, or the like, cut a ventilation opening in lowermost vertical portion of the surround shell of the left air guide, just forward of and slightly below the resistor. Here's a few pictures. Expand the pictures and you can easily see the hole, along with my fickle finger through it just in case you can't:

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There is already a guide for you right there, as the USA cars prior to '94 have a blanking plug or a knockout plug in that very place that you need to open up, and the Euro cars / USA '94 and later cars have the ventilation hose for the headlamp housing passing through this hole. Make sure that this ventilation hose is still in place after you add a resistor vent hole, as its purpose is to prevent the overpressure that may exist in these air guides when the vehicle is at speed from entering the headlamp units causing dirtiness and condensation. You Euro lamp fitters removed these blanking plugs and installed the vent hoses for your lamps, didn't you? I bet you will now...
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I test drove the car today. I runs at about 85C on gauge (or thermostat closing point) and stays there (ambient 72F). I turned the AC system to the coolest setting and maxed the HVAC fan at idle. In ten minutes, I couldn't get the low speed fan to come on from the AC pressure switch and the AC continued to blow ice cold. Looks like the mechanical fan is doing its job.
If we get warmer temps, I'll keep an ear out for the low speed fan to come on. I did verify it's working by jumping across the leads to the pressure switch (as detailed above). Still, I'd like to know 100% that my pressure switch is operable.

thanks to you guys for the kind words about my repairs and to KLINK for the excellent advice.

One day soon, I'll modify the plastic surround as suggested. I considered that mod myself, but figured with the new fan clutch, my electric fans won't be seeing much action.

ON A SIDE NOTE: Are the rubber flaps on the fan shroud available independently from the shroud itself? If so, anyone know the part #s? A few of mine have broken and I'd just as soon replace them before forgetting about them for the winter :D

Doug
 
ON A SIDE NOTE: Are the rubber flaps on the fan shroud available independently from the shroud itself? If so, anyone know the part #s? A few of mine have broken and I'd just as soon replace them before forgetting about them for the winter :D

Doug

I have never found a source for the flaps. The upper shroud is part 124 500 12 55, the part number for the lower shroud is 124 500 13 55. If all you need are flaps I'd buy whichever one is cheaper and simply transfer the flaps as needed. I'm sure that with enough inginuity a suitable substitute could be made, but I've never has cause to try yet. The lower one could well be the handier to have on hand, as it has the threaded inserts that like to sieze.

Anyone else have any good ideas for these?
 
Sure, I have a used shroud missing one flap

I'll sell it, just the flaps or the whole assembly, lower plastic has a chunk missing.
Upper is good
 
So, after servicing nearly the majority of my cooling system. my car is still getting very warm on the highway.

Going about 75, the temp gauge will hit between 95-100C. As soon as I pull off the highway, most times it'll creep back down to around 85ish.

Thinking its the radiator, I bought an IR temp gun to get readings. The top hose side of the radiator was registering 200 deg F. The opposite end was registering about 95 Degrees.

I'm thinking the radiator is clogged. I just wanted a few opinions before pulling the trigger at on a replacement. As always, thanks for all the help everyone!
 
lil_dz33,

What is the ambient temperature with your testing. Your car is temps is about opposite what I'd expect. If the coolant has been changed regularly with Z05, I would remove the radiator and take it to the car wash and back wash the debris from the cooling fins. You can do similar thing for the condenser with compressed air. I bet you have lots of debris. The car @ cruise should not run hot. Low speed, stop and go traffic and full throttle accelerations should generate the extra heat.
How many miles are on the car? I would throw the 15psi using the autozone pressure tester hot and cold. See if you have any leakage or pressure loss.


Michael
 
And you can try Michael's condenser and radiator cleaning suggestion without removing the radiator. Cover your ignition distributor areas and the like with plastic. Getting one of these engines water soaked is never a good idea. If contamination of the fans is your issue, this will work. He is also quite right to suggest possible coolant pressure loss, and the most commonly overlooked pressure loss fault is the cap.
 
Hello,

Sorry for this old topic :-)

My 320E (1993) have a little problem.

My auxiliarys fans are coming ON randomly at high speed sometimes when i start my car (generaly if my car is outside with a lot of sun in summer).

Only a few seconds / minutes. It's like a short cut...

My A/C is empty so switch is off.

If i understand very well there is 3 possibilities :

1/ temp sensor
2/ relay
3/ pressure switch

I tested relays with new ones : no effect
I tested the temp sensor :inverse temperature value is ok

So now perhaps the pressure switch is sometimes out of order ?

If i jump this pressure switch will aux fans runs at high speed like my problem ?

Thanks for your help
 
High speed fan is triggered by the temp sensor, via the HVAC controller. It has NO connection to the pressure switch.

Low speed fan is triggered by the red pressure switch on the receiver/drier. When you jumper this switch, the fans should run on low speed.

:detective:
 
ok, thanks !

My problem is hard to understand because it's randomly...

I changed the relay C (40A) with a new one = no effect, random problem is coming back.

i put an other relay B (20/30A) and remove relay on C = fans are going on at high speed the first time and no effect after !?!

i put back relay B AND relay C = random problem is coming back

I remove the temp sensor connector : no effect when my car is not running

I remove the temp sensor connector when my car is hot and running : aux fan running at high speed.

Harness is new.

So it's very strange !!!

People have problem with not working fans, mine is inverse :-)

the last possibilities is to change the temp sensor.... :?
 
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Hi,

My 92 500E has been running too hot for a while and as always all the information I've found in the forum has been amazing but I'm gonna need further help though.

So far I've replaced the radiator (it was cracked so I had to change it anyway), a few hoses, thermostat and fan clutch but the car still runs hot. The high speed fans are working as they're supposed to but I suspect the low speed are not working.

I've shorted the two connectors on the dryer and nothing, fans don't move and no clicking on the relay.

I've checked the fuse but I'm not sure if it is the correct one (picture attached).

The connectors on the resistor were rusty but after cleaning them they seem ok. The resistor looks good too but I haven't tested it. I would appreciate some help on how to do it (for dummies, please)

So if the fans are not working (low speed) when shorting the connectors the problem could be: fuse, relay, resistor or the fans, right?

Thanks in advance for your help and sorry for hijacking but I thought that was better to keep all the info on this in the same thread rather tan opening a new one.
 

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Have you checked the low speed resistor, located on the fender driver side? However low speed running is based on AC refrigerant pressure, not engine temp. How hot does the engine get and are you sure your fan clutch is fully operational despite being new?
 
I haven´t checked the resistor itself because I don't know how to do it. I have checked the connectors. They were rusty but I cleaned them and they seem ok.

As far as I know the viscuous clutch works.

It gets so warm that the high speed fans are kicking in constantly in easy traffic conditions and outside temps of around 15º/59F

Anyway, shouldn't the low speed work when shorting the two wires together?

Thanks
 
I replaced that resistor and spliced in about 8 inches of heavier braided wire with heavy insulation. I also removed everything metal covering it, and added an extra vent hole in the light box/air duct. Per Klink I removed the alarm horn rather than mess with it since it was disconnected. Mine was rusted as well, that sucker gets hot!!
 
Thanks. I guess I will replace the resistor anyway as they're cheap and won't hurt.

I think the fuse shown in my picture is not the right one, I think it's the blower one. I can't locate the low speed fan fuse. I have twin 15A close to the brake booster. Are those the fan relay fuses? I would appreciate a lead to find it.

Thanks, guys
 

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I think the fuse shown in my picture is not the right one, I think it's the blower one. I can't locate the low speed fan fuse. I have twin 15A close to the brake booster. Are those the fan relay fuses? I would appreciate a lead to find it.
No, the twin ceramic 15A fuses in the separate holder are for heated seats and the factory phone option.

The twin fans use a 30A strip fuse that looks just like the one near the strut mount for the HVAC blower. It should be located near the 15A fuses behind the brake booster.

:shocking:
 
There are also fuses (blade GM style) behind the fuse box that control the fan, you may want to check them as well.
 
There are also fuses (blade GM style) behind the fuse box that control the fan, you may want to check them as well.
Those are only for 1994-up (facelift) models.

The fuse arrangement changed for the facelift cars... these have fused relays, one low speed, one high speed, each with its own fuse.

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Thanks for the info but I'm getting a little bit nervous. There´s nothing behind the brake booster, just all the plumbing for the additional heating. I guess the fuse is relocated somewhere else but where? Maybe under that plastic cover? I have to check.

I also noticed (I don't know how I could missed it when shorting the wires to test the fan) that the compressor switch wires are connected together with a scotch lock. Doesn't look Factory at all and probably is a band aid for a bigger problem but don't know if related to the fans though.

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Oh wow, yeah the US-spec cars do not have all that heater plumbing behind the booster. :o

I can't tell if the Scotchlock is a Band-Aid to make the fans run on low speed at all times when the key is on, or if it's a Band-Aid to bypass the high/low pressure safety switch. Either one is not good. Which sensor is shorted out, the red one, or the other one?

:duck:
 
The one shorted out is the one marked as "compressor switch" in the picture. I have no issues with the A/C that I can notice.

There's some kind of cover under the plumbing. Maybe the fuse is there. I'll try to remove it tomorrow morning.
 

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The "compressor switch" is a pressure switch that is a safety for both high pressure and low pressure. It disengages the compressor if pressure is too low (system open or undercharged) or if pressure is too high (overcharged, clogged expansion valve, etc). This is a safety item and it shouldn't be bypassed. You have to discharge/evacuate the refrigerant to replace the switch, then pull vacuum on the system, and re-charge. Looks to me like someone was lazy and didn't want to properly fix a bad switch (assuming the AC works well and blows cold on hot days).

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That make sense, I'll definitely replace the switch.

No luck finding the relay fuse. There's one in the general fuse box saying "relay auxiliary fan term.86" and it's ok.

If I got it right, there are four things that could be wrong:

1) Relay fuse
2) Resistor
3) Relay
4) Fan itself (although high speed works)

If the fuse is wrong nothing should work?

If the resistor is bad then the fan shouldn't work when shorted out but should the relay click?

The relay is not clicking. Could be the fuse or the relay. Can't tell until I find the fckng fuse.

Fan not working could be any of the above.

Please correct me if I'm not understanding it correctly
 
Alright,

My A/C compressor was inoperable as it only switched on for a second and back off. I had the usual codes as stated earlier in this discussion. So I went ahead and took my BM/GM module out and inspected the pins visually. I cleaned the pins out since I don’t have a spare module to try on. I put the module back in and started the A/C. The compressor came on and worked as it should. I had the car running with A/C for maybe about an hour idling in driveway. It’s blasting ice cubes!!!

Here’s what I just got into now.

I was near the car when I saw smoke coming from the driver’s side fender 😱. I immediately inspected the area and saw the aux fan resistor smoking and has a bubbling black melted glue looking residue on the top connection. The lower connection on the resistor looks fine. Two years ago when I bought the car the fans weren’t working on low speed and caused my A/C to work intermittently. My MB specialist diagnosed it to be this resistor being bad. So I went ahead and changed the resistor two years ago and fans operated normal until today. I installed a genuine MB resistor and it only worked for close to two years😳. Now, my low speed fans don’t work and I can’t have A/C.

Would this MB resistor go bad in just two years!?

Here are a hard to get picture and video of what I saw as described above.

More trouble!!!!
 

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It's not a failed resistor, it's excess heat causing a high-resistance connection at the upper threaded post. You can remove one of the heat shields to help, and/or try to route some cooling air to it (i.e., from the headlight airbox). Other models, like the 140, relocated this resistor behind the grille to keep it much cooler.

🔥
 
My fans stopped working too. So I probably need to remove that melted gunk I guess. Would this be the wiring loom that could have melted!?
 
My fans stopped working too. So I probably need to remove that melted gunk I guess. Would this be the wiring loom that could have melted!?
Yep. Might need to repair the last couple inches of wire, you'll find out when you get it apart. Search the forum for more details, this has been discussed before MUCH easier if you pull the driver headlight out.

:peep:
 
Here’s what my resistor wire looks like.
I had the same issue when I opened it up 2 years ago. The wiring had been fried. What is the best thing to do to stop this from happening again!?

Seems like the wiring shield melts and causes this to happen!

Last year the MB mechanic had done this. It’s here again.



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Ouch.

When the new resistor was installed, was the wiring also repaired at the same time? New ring terminal etc? If so... I'm really surprised it looks this bad already. If it wasn't fixed before, now is the time to do it.

The longer-term cure should be to improve airflow to this area. Had the larger/outer heat shield been removed 2 years ago, or were all the shields still in place? Removing one should also help with cooling.

:klink:
 
Ouch.

When the new resistor was installed, was the wiring also repaired at the same time? New ring terminal etc? If so... I'm really surprised it looks this bad already. If it wasn't fixed before, now is the time to do it.

The longer-term cure should be to improve airflow to this area. Had the larger/outer heat shield been removed 2 years ago, or were all the shields still in place? Removing one should also help with cooling.

:klink:
Yes
They had installed a new ring terminal. Yes both shields were removed and put back on after the repair. They were in place when I took it out right now.
 

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This little tube from the headlight box looks to be for ventilation to this resistor! German Engineering!!!
 

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Get rid of that horn, the plastic melted within it on the fan. Replace the wiring 10" up the fender. Then, where the tube comes out, expand the size of the hole by the size of a 50 cent piece. When I did this 4 years ago, my replaced resistor has remained cool and no issues.
 
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Yes
They had installed a new ring terminal. Yes both shields were removed and put back on after the repair. They were in place when I took it out right now.
Part of the heat problem, besides lack of airflow, is a poor electrical connection. Make sure the new ring terminal connects to clean copper wire, and is tightly crimped/soldered in place. Use a ring terminal with high-heat resistant insulation and/or add some braided heat resistant tubing similar to the factory stuff. Every little bit helps. And, remove one of the metal heat shields when re-installing.


This little tube from the headlight box looks to be for ventilation to this resistor! German Engineering!!!
NO! That tube connects to the vent at the rear of the headlight. This is important to re-connect when installing the headlight, as it vents the headlight internals to static air pressure in the engine compartment. Without this tube, high pressure air will be pushed inside the headlight at freeway speeds. In rain or humid weather, this can cause corrosion of the headlight internals. You'll need to add separate cooling for the resistor.


I can’t even get the nut off the resistor’s upper post. It keep spinning since its screwed from back. Better to get a new!
D'OH. Yeah... if it's seized on there, you may be forced to buy new. At least they are still available (000-158-32-45). I've wondered if using anti-seize on the threads would be a good idea or not, and/or if any coating at the terminal would help. This was discussed on the forum years ago but I can't recall the verdict. @Klink? You out there?

Edit: MB Classic shows 000-158-32-45 as NLA as of late 2022 / early 2023.


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Use much heavier gauge copper wire 8-10 awg, I cannot remember what I used but I went all the way up the fender until I found good, stable wire to splice into, then I used heavy sheath from an old 126 harness.
 
More of a vibe check/temp check (lol). But I've recently been really into the idea of trashing that entire system for an aftermarket SPAL, wired to a nice factory switch on the HVAC panel. Haven't really thought it out much past that but I'd like to think most of all of us on this forum are keeping an eye on our coolant temp anyways when we're using A/C, ESPECIALLY on a hot and humid day (manual trigger).
 
More of a vibe check/temp check (lol). But I've recently been really into the idea of trashing that entire system for an aftermarket SPAL, wired to a nice factory switch on the HVAC panel. Haven't really thought it out much past that but I'd like to think most of all of us on this forum are keeping an eye on our coolant temp anyways when we're using A/C, ESPECIALLY on a hot and humid day (manual trigger).
This has been discussed previously - search the forum. TL;DR = for V8, airflow from an aftermarket electric fan may not be adequate CFM, and if it is, will be horrendously noisy. For a 6-cyl M103, maybe an electric fan would be cromulent.

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+1 with Clark. Pressurize the system to 15psi. 6psi isn't enough... minor leaks may not appear until you get around the 12-15psi range. Also verify the coolant level is the same after the test, as it was before... if not, the coolant went somewhere. Check the washer fluid tank, that's a common place for it to end up when the washer t-stat O-rings fail.

You can avoid air pockets by filling the block via the upper radiator hose. When the block is fully drained, you can get about 5 quarts in via the hose, and another ~4 in to the reservoir tank, assuming the radiator is empty. It will usually burp and take another pint or two after reaching operating temp. Generally takes around 10 quarts total (which, you may note, is far less than the factory spec... I believe the FSM specs are wrong for the 034/036, and actual system capacity is around 12 quarts total, not 16. But that's probably a different discussion.)

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Hi Dave, sorry for reviving the 10 year old post, but can you highlight exactly which hose should the coolant poured in first to fill the block?
Wouldn't thermostat be closed and not allow the coolant through?

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Hi Dave, sorry for reviving the 10 year old post, but can you highlight exactly which hose should the coolant poured in first to fill the block?
Wouldn't thermostat be closed and not allow the coolant through?
That was specifically for the M119 engine. Filling the block via the upper radiator hose is not restricted by the thermostat and you can pour 4-5 gallons into the block through that hose, before filling the radiator separately via the coolant reservoir.

Assuming you are dealing with an M104... I agree, it looks like the thermostat might be a problem. I'm not familiar with the M104, but if it also suffers from air pockets when filling the cooling system, I'd consider using a vacuum fill tool if you have an air compressor to power it.

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