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B&M Trick Shift fluid: Safe for our 722.3 Gearboxes?

400Eric

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The word on the street used to be that B&M Trick Shift fluid was/is essentially Ford type F trans fluid. The word also used to be that if you ran type F fluid in a trans designed for Dexron fluid, you would shorten your tran's friction material's life. What do you guys know about this? Do you need to run different friction materials before you use B&M Trick Shift fluid?
Regards, Eric
 
I have used both, trick shift synthetic for those that are willing to pay the $$, type F for those on a budget.

I find the TS has Something different as transmission, even Badly worn units respond REALLY well to it, so much so that I can typically back off on the modulator pressure!

Not so much w/ type F. As for making the plates wear out, IDK, making things slip Less is typically a Good thing in my book when it comes to clutches..;-)

My 91 SEC has been on TS for about 4 years now...still running Great/banging out Sweet WOT shifts!


jono
 
The way I understood it was that yes, the shifts would get better but overall, the trans life would wind up shortened somewhat unless you changed the clutch pack material to something more compatible with the compounds in Type F/T.S. fluid. Something about Type F/T.S., over time, literally dissolving the bonding agent that held the friction materials of the clutches together and on their discs/plates.

When I was a kid I had some "Sizzler" cars. They were basically Hot Wheels only with a battery and a motor which originally ran on the same tracks as Hot Wheels until they got dedicated track of their own. I had the fastest Sizzlers in my neighborhood because I had concocted a "Super Lube" in the garage by basically mixing every single lubricant I could get my hands on. The recipe was a little WD40 sprayed and collected in a container to which I added some "3 in 1" brand oil, some powdered graphite, a dash of car motor oil, some "Go Oil" which was stuff for slot cars that I had bought at the hobby store, and my secrete weapons: three different mystery lubricants that my Dad used in his vending and pinball machines. This was stuff that I knew nobody else had access to. I'm sure there was some other stuff that I don't remember that I was using too. My cars were rockets until my mystery brew dissolved the glue that held the magnets in place to the insides of the cases of the motors. Once that happened, the magnets would immediately attach themselves to the armature, and I would go from having the fastest Sizzlers to the slowest, to having the only ones that wouldn't even run at all! That lesson wasn't lost on me when, years later, I heard about the possible issues with running T.S./Type F fluid in a car that was supposed to have Dexron. You might say I was a bit scared from my earlier childhood trauma. It is also why it makes sense to me that such a thing could occur because I had already lived it! Faster now, dead later!
Regards, Eric
 
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Is your special lubricant how you achieved the world-record times for B1 and B3, as well?
 
perhaps on the older transmissions, it Could be an issue. but to get .3 clutch material off the plates requires some pretty mean solvents and a LOT Of heat, what ever glue MB uses for their clutch material..it's bloody stout.

After being washed in TS for 4 years if it was going to be a problem I think it would have come about already...:-P

j
 
Is your special lubricant how you achieved the world-record times for B1 and B3, as well?

Nah, I stopped using that stuff when it ruined my Sizzler's motors. Besides, the old man has been out of the vending and pinball machine business for ages, so I don't have ready access to the "secret" stuff anymore. I can't even remember what those three oils were called. (He sold his business right before the movie "Tommy" came out. Great timing Dad! Fabulous! Outstanding!)

I'm running Amsoil in B3 and whatever I can get my hands on for B1. (With over 235,000 miles on those notorious M103 valve seals, you could say that B1 uses a little oil.)

I was able to re-glue the magnets back into their places and save my Sizzlers BTW. They lived to race and win another day! I just stuck to straight "Go Oil" after that.

In writing that recount of my childhood, I had to laugh cause it's really funny how little I've changed!

Did you have any Sizzlers as a kid Uncle Gerry?
Regards, Eric
 
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Oh wow, a double post! This happens all of the time on TurboBricks, but never here. Untill now!
Regards, Eric
 
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Hey Jono, just for clarification with regard to the Trick Shift synthetic that you're using -- are you running 100% TS or are you running a mixture of TS with convention Dexron ATF? I think they say that best results are from 100% TS.

Thanks
Gerry
 
nono, all TS, and some boxes are completely Type F. Some are a blend of DMIII and TS or Type F.

Yes, 100% TS is what I've had the Best luck with, punished with my track SEC on a box that has about 200K on it..!

Jono
 
When you say "some boxes" are you referring to some of YOUR boxes? Meaning that you are running straight type F in some of them just like the hot rodders did back in the day?
Regards, Eric
 
Mine and My Customers..:)

Type F most Typically for the guys w/ no $$ who's transmissions were slipping badly. Depending on what i found in the pan they get either a full fill of F or just a partial if there was a LOT of plate material. That and some modulator adjustments..and on occasion some bowden cable fiddling to get the shift points/pressures higher yet.

j
 
Just curious... when a trans is slipping bad and you put in Type F (and/or TS)... how are the part-throttle shifts for normal around-town driving? I kind of assumed this was more for track use, but wasn't sure.

:detective:
 
Fine, but I set All my customers up with what most would call "positive" shifts..No one has ever complained though!
 
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