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M104 and California emissions struggle

woodman

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I live in CA where the emission standards are one of the most stringent in the country. In recent years the CARB( California Air Rescorces Board) have lowered the allowable emissions by 30% for many older vehicles, including mine. There goal is to get the older cars off the road. I agree many older cars should not be allowed but not a great clean Mercedes w124 wagon!

The current standard for HC is at or below the allowable levels for many 2007vehicles with much more electronics and designed to run on the reformatted lower octane fuels.

These older cars ar being tested in my area on a Dino at a simulated 15 and 25 mph with HC limits of 57 and 32 respectively. They can be met but everything must be operating perfectly. Here is what I have done and I am sure some of this information is redundant but might be worth revisiting,

This is the normal stuff. Clean fresh oil, air filter,correct Bosch plugs, good wires coils, not to overlook clean good working fuel injectors and O2sensor.
Check for codes and clear them. Do several start cycles after clearing to allow the ECM to relearn. When you are checking things out, pulling vacuum lines and such some codes may come back. Make sure they are all reset before you take it in.
Spark plugs gapped @1mm, the wider the gap the hotter the spark. If your coils won't cut it, they on the way out. If it don't run baby but smooth you will more than likely fail.

No vacuum leaks. Do a smoke test you would be surprised what will show up and don't rush it. Any signs of oil leaking from your oil filler cap is a indication that it might be allowing a intake leak. If oil can get out air can get sucked in.

I Found my EGR valve was leaking from the stem past the bushing. The way the valve is made it allows vacuum to be drawn past the stem and bushing. Even with a new valve some will sneak buy but with a valve 25 years + and 185K it was leaking bad. On a side note I also discovered the EGR valve opens @ 15 MPH.

My other main issue was with the vapor purge solenoid. It was stuck open and with bits of charcoal in in it. Major vacuum leak.
Replaced it and shortly after found more little bits in it. Changed the vapor filter. I haven't found much information on the vapor recovery system and what triggers the ECM to activate the solenoid. I think it is by engine tempature and God only knows what else. I remember reading somewhere the fuel tank level plays into it but I am not convinced. Any verification of how it is operates would be helpful.

The EGR and vapors from the fuel tank are drawn in through the intake and appear not to be metered. I know the purge solenoid is cycled and I Am thinking, hoping,the ECM is making some fuel trim adjustments when the EGR is called on and and the MOT valve is cycling but I don"t know for sure. The fuel vapors would raise the HC levels and if the EGR valve bushing and stem have excess clearance, it could lead to failed emissions.

Take it out and drive it hard for about a hour. The CAT requires temperature to work correctley and try to make a appointment with the smog station so the test is done without sitting around and allowing the CAT to cool off. Buy the way, my converter is the original !

My final attached..... Good for another 2 years.... Can hardly wait!!
Hopes this helps someone and saves them some frustration....... Woodman
 

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HC limits of 57 and 32?? Lunacy. Have you considered moving out of state? o_O

I've heard that it may be possible to get around the dyno/roller load test if the car has non-defeatable traction control (ASR). If true, this might make the ASR option more desirable vs non-ASR.

Great tips, btw. I've found the catalyst generally doesn't need a long time to heat up. My regimen is to drive for about 5-10 minutes with the revs between 3000-4000rpm, ideally near freeway speeds, where you can leave it in 3rd gear. Use lower gears as needed to keep revs up. I've gotten a couple of M119's through with single-digit HC readings (original, stock cats) using this method, although the Idaho test is static (no dyno / unloaded). As you said, don't let the cats get cold after the heating process.

Congrats on another 2 years!

:cheers1:
 
My experience in Oregon and Texas were that any car with ASR, or an AWD vehicle like a G-wagen, gets the tailpipe sniff test -- no dyno.

Generally good advice though. If you drive for 15-20 minutes at freeway speeds, you'll heat up the catalytic converter enough to pass the test. Even without a cat, the M104 and M119 are relatively clean-burning engines !!

I think I posted my results in my PWNER thread, until my cars aged out and I didn't have to get them tested any longer.

Emissions results for my E500 are here.

Emissions results for my former 560SEL are here.

Emissions results for my 560SEC are here.
 
HC limits of 57 and 32?? Lunacy. Have you considered moving out of state? o_O

I've heard that it may be possible to get around the dyno/roller load test if the car has non-defeatable traction control (ASR). If true, this might make the ASR option more desirable vs non-ASR.

Great tips, btw. I've found the catalyst generally doesn't need a long time to heat up. My regimen is to drive for about 5-10 minutes with the revs between 3000-4000rpm, ideally near freeway speeds, where you can leave it in 3rd gear. Use lower gears as needed to keep revs up. I've gotten a couple of M119's through with single-digit HC readings (original, stock cats) using this method, although the Idaho test is static (no dyno / unloaded). As you said, don't let the cats get cold after the heating process.

Congrats on another 2 years!

:cheers1:
No roller on the 500E in California, just tailpipe sniffing.
 
I also live in CA. The test on facelift W124s are supposed to be 2 speed idle but it is up to the smog shop doing them. I personally wouldn't go somewhere that isn't going to follow to proper protocol. My 1994 E320 with aftermarket cat has no issue passing smog even if I let the car park and cool off a bit. Attached were my most recent smog results. Having a car with ASR certainly does help avoid the dyno.

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I live in CA where the emission standards are one of the most stringent in the country. In recent years the CARB( California Air Rescorces Board) have lowered the allowable emissions by 30% for many older vehicles..... These older cars ar being tested in my area on a Dino at a simulated 15 and 25 mph with HC limits of 57 and 32 respectively.

HC limits of 57 and 32?? Lunacy. Have you considered moving out of state? o_O
@woodman - where in California do you live that has HC limits of 57 @ 15mph and 32 @ 25mph?
Note - I live in San Francisco proper. For my Porch which requires the dyno roller test, I need to get the car to similar figure - 54 @ 15mph and 37 @ 25mph.
It has been like this since at least 2013, nearly 10 years ago, at least when I acquired said Porch. See below:

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I've heard that it may be possible to get around the dyno/roller load test if the car has non-defeatable traction control (ASR). If true, this might make the ASR option more desirable vs non-ASR.
No roller on the 500E in California, just tailpipe sniffing.

Yes, the E500E does not require the dyno for the smog test in California because the E500E has "non-disengageable traction control". Consequently, the E500E is subject to the idle and 2500rpm test with limits of HC of 100 and 130 respectively, which is much much higher.

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Here it is https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/Regulatory_Actions/Equipment_Security_2021/Proposed_Manual.pdf

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I also live in CA. The test on facelift W124s are supposed to be 2 speed idle but it is up to the smog shop doing them....

@socal210 technically if your car does not have traction control or is has disengageable TC, then your car should be subject to the dyno test. The BAR publishes a list of what cars have non-disengageable TC --- I found it before but I can't seem to find it anymore.

If your SMOG operator thinks that your car has non disengageable traction control when it actually does not, then CONTINUE GOING TO THAT GUY.
One time I had a smog guy spend 10 minutes looking up my 500E in "the book" just to make sure it has non-disengageable TC.
 
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UPDATE - I found the listing by vehicle at the CA Air Resources Board website:


We can drill down to 1993 Mercedes models here: Cutpoints Show Model - Bureau of Automotive Repair

Notice the "test type" column below. ASM = Acceleration Simulation Method = Dyno Test. Not Applicable = no need for dyno test.
2.8, 3.0, 3.2, and 4.2 liter w124s unfortunately are supposed to go through the Dyno Test, whereas 5.0 liter w124s / r129s / w140s and 6.0 liter r129s / w140s do not need the dyno test (probably because of non-disengageable TC.)
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UPDATE - I found the listing by vehicle at the CA Air Resources Board website:


We can drill down to 1993 Mercedes models here: Cutpoints Show Model - Bureau of Automotive Repair

Notice the "test type" column below. ASM = Acceleration Simulation Method = Dyno Test. Not Applicable = no need for dyno test.
2.8, 3.0, 3.2, and 4.2 liter w124s unfortunately are supposed to go through the Dyno Test, whereas 5.0 liter w124s / r129s / w140s and 6.0 liter r129s / w140s do not need the dyno test (probably because of non-disengageable TC.)
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@Jlaa, Pretty good detective work :thumbsup2:
 
2.8, 3.0, 3.2, and 4.2 liter w124s unfortunately are supposed to go through the Dyno Test, whereas 5.0 liter w124s / r129s / w140s and 6.0 liter r129s / w140s do not need the dyno test (probably because of non-disengageable TC.)
The 5.0Lcars with CIS or LH injection have ASR as standard equipment, and it is non-disengageable on those models.

However, ASR was optional equipment on the gas engines smaller than 5.0L and is still non-disengageable, and cannot be tested on the dyno.

I wonder what happens when an E320/E420 with ASR shows up that refuses to run on the dyno, when CARB insists that it should?

:rolleyes:
 
ASR when optioned on a W124 E320 sedan/wagon CANNOT BE DISENGAGED.

It is the same as the E500E.

Yep, government run programs are usually terrible at capturing subtleties.

It helps, though, that smog testing in CA is run by private shops. This means one can always find a smog shop that knows not everything is back or white.

This is in contrast to my experience with emissions testing in Illinois 20+ yrs ago when the state ran the dyno testing facilities. That was a massive failblog.
 
CA has what they call a referee stations. The one in my area is at Evergreen College. If you had a 320or420 with ASR. You would be required to take it there. I think, but not sure, it is run by the state. They should be on top of things.
 
CA has what they call a referee stations. The one in my area is at Evergreen College. If you had a 320or420 with ASR. You would be required to take it there. I think, but not sure, it is run by the state. They should be on top of things.
@woodman, If that doesn’t work out for you do you have an MB Tech that you use? My Tech guy recommended a smog shop that did all of his Mercedes smogs. That was 20 years ago. I still use him for all my cars. He is very familiar with Benz cars and has passed all of mine every time w/ one exception my Euro 500SL which he had previously passed at least 10 times. It just needed to much work the last time.
 

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