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Rough Idle When Hot, with Solution

Matt-R20

E500E Enthusiast
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Like many of you, I certainly appreciate all the information on this board, the breadth and depth of knowledge for a model with a relatively low production volume is simply amazing. Because I've been through 100+ posts as I went through my issue, I thought it would be helpful to document what my issues were and how they were resolved. Some help came here and some from Pierre here in Florida.

I've documented my purchase and work on my 1992 500e in my owner's post. Here I purchased the car in 2022 and have put a ton of work into to make reliable and drivable.

Problem #1- In the late fall I started to hear a knocking at idle from under the car. As many folks have pointed out, the LH module can can cause a pulsing the fuel lines. It sound like a transmission going bad or something expensive, but this turned out to be a relatively inexpensive and straightforward process. I purchased a cheap LH module on eBay, non 500e to keep it movable, and sent off my LH to @Alphasud40 who soldiered all the weak points and sent it back to me good as new! Clunking resolved.

Problem #2 - Once the LH was sorted, I still had a lumpy idle in P or D, but the car ran well down the road. I had done all the electrical parts previously about 1 year earlier, plugs, caps, rotors, insulators and coils so my assumption was these were not the issue, but it sure acted like an electrical issue, fine cold, poor when warm. My plug wire age was unknown and they were Bosch, so I decided to replace them to Beru factory wires which are more conventional vs the red plastic tops. Project done, but no improvement to the issue.

I tried many other things based on all the various rough idle threads, check all the vacuum lines, check / disconnect the MAF, check / disconnect the EGR. I replaced the Fuel pressure valve as it looked old and the crank position sensor. These weren't terribly expensive and now I know they are in good shape on this 100K+ mile car. I also ran fuel injector cleaner through the system to make sure the LH problem didn't cause some sort of of particle to come loose and impact a fuel injector. Problem still remained.

At this point, I decided to go back to Pierre and get a real expert on the problem. Basically what he found was one rotor had a pin hole in it, but that didn't cure all the lumpiness, so he replaced the plugs and bingo, bango, idle is smooth. Turns out when you order plugs from MB, they send you Beru. My plugs had the MB symbol etc, but these plugs basically failed in 1 year and about 7K miles. We put new MB's back in because the Bosch were a much longer order wait time, so I'll order up the Bosch to swap out and hopefully this will keep the car running much longer than this go around.

So for those with a similar problem, check those plugs even if they are relatively new.

On a side note, I have access to dry ice cleaning so before I did the wire sway, I did a dry ice deep clean. I attached a couple pics, top you can see down in the crevices and on the injectors it was filthy, but after everything is nice and clean. So much nicer, but for a 116K mile car, this car is very clean top to bottom.


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Thanks for the update! I think this is the second (?) report of a faulty Beru OE spark plug. That's depressing when you can't rely on Genuine MB parts. I wonder if HHT-Win live data showed any anomalous data with the bad plugs installed. Only a handful of vendors still sell the Bosch F8DC4, I hope those are still in production. On the bright side, plugs can last 30-50kmi before needing replacement (factory spec is 30kmi).

:shocking:
 
GSXR you remember my live data spike on new out of the box frenchies from Mercedes.... Most unfortunate! got any pics of the hole in the rotor OP ... please post that so that we can inspect those "em eff ers"...

Sorry, had to surrender the parts for warranty.
 
They are available over here on eBay ~$30 for 8 delivered.

Should I consider buying another spare set? 🤷‍♂️
Wouldn't hurt to have a spare set on the shelf, just in case, since they aren't particularly expensive.

In USA, it looks like only Rock Auto, AutoZone and FCP Euro have the F8DC4 in stock at a reasonable price ($1.90 - $2.70/ea).

Pelican and Amazon have them for ~$5 each.

Not sure why RME and AHAZ don't carry F8DC4 at all - these plugs don't appear to be NLA or OOS.

:scratchchin:
 
Folks, I know a lot of you don't use your E500E as daily drivers as I do my 94 E320 so you likely have limited mileage experience with the MB branded Beru spark plugs. I'm well into my 2nd set (change at 25K miles) with no issues. Rock solid idle with smooth acceleration at all times. Just one owners experience.


Regards,

Peter
 
Wouldn't hurt to have a spare set on the shelf, just in case, since they aren't particularly expensive.

In USA, it looks like only Rock Auto, AutoZone and FCP Euro have the F8DC4 in stock at a reasonable price ($1.90 - $2.70/ea).

Pelican and Amazon have them for ~$5 each.

Not sure why RME and AHAZ don't carry F8DC4 at all - these plugs don't appear to be NLA or OOS.

:scratchchin:
My current plugs are only 5k miles and ~5 years old plus I already have another set on the shelf but I have made enquiries for a further 8. eBay has a car parts coupon running currently which makes them even more reasonably priced.

They do seem to be getting harder to source however so they could be worth $5k pretty soon... :)
 
Folks, I know a lot of you don't use your E500E as daily drivers as I do my 94 E320 so you likely have limited mileage experience with the MB branded Beru spark plugs. I'm well into my 2nd set (change at 25K miles) with no issues. Rock solid idle with smooth acceleration at all times. Just one owners experience.


Regards,

Peter
In my case the car was daily driven, 5-7K miles in a about a year. Its entirely possible it was a bad batch and/or the newer parts are struggling with quality control. My goal here was less about bashing a brand or part and more to show that a new or newish part may be the obvious issue when chasing down a problem.
 
Mine are in made in France as well. I have had spark plugs be bad not long out of the box on various manufacturers, on Chrysler to Chevy ahem Peugeot so I wasn't downing the COO per se, NGK, Champion all have had a problem for me at times in all cars I have owned.
 
I’ve been running Bosch F8DC4 plugs for a long time. So long I can’t remember. I guess I could dig out the date from my stack of receipts. So far no missing except for a one time after a long period of setting in the cold damp garage recently. I took it for a quick ride on the freeway and got the old dampness in the distributor syndrome. After about 15 minutes and a few wide open throttle bursts everything seems fine again.

I do have a new set of plugs that I purchased about 5 or 6 years ago from MBOEMPARTS in Naperville ready to go BUT so far I believe in the saying “If it’s not broke don’t fix it!”

They are MB brand but I’m not sure who they were made by or what COO. Now I guess I’ll have to check if they are actually F8DC4s.

BTW, I changed the Dist Caps at the same time. They were also Bosch.
 
Update - I ordered a 2nd spare set of 8 x F8DC4 plugs online in mid-March and they have not arrived so I contacted the vendor and was told they are on back order with no clear date for availability so it appears they are getting harder to source.
 
Update - I ordered a 2nd spare set of 8 x F8DC4 plugs online in mid-March and they have not arrived so I contacted the vendor and was told they are on back order with no clear date for availability so it appears they are getting harder to source.
Further update - in parallel, I tried to source an additional set from eBay, they arrived in a couple of days but were FR8DC4s.

I contacted the vendor to advise they shipped me the wrong part based on their listing which clearly stated F8DC4 and they started getting all defensive and asked for my reg number to check if the supplied resistor plugs were compatible. Not even an apology or anything which put my back up a bit so I ignored them and initiated a return which is now in the post back to them.

Further investigation by searching online for F8DC4 or 0241229713 hasn't yielded anything else on the market except some chancers asking inflated prices for single plugs - not quite $5K territory yet :)

I have contacted my MB dealer and I'm expecting them to come back with the current Beru option which seems a reasonable alternative.

Doing a bit more reading up (my M119.982 has only ever had Bosch F8DC4s fitted in all the history I have) and it seems some of the reported problems with resistor plugs might not be such an issue with coil packs compared with distributer based ignition systems- does anyone know if this is correct or have any opinion or input?
 
Doing a bit more reading up (my M119.982 has only ever had Bosch F8DC4s fitted in all the history I have) and it seems some of the reported problems with resistor plugs might not be such an issue with coil packs compared with distributer based ignition systems- does anyone know if this is correct or have any opinion or input?
The 119.98x engines with coil-on-plug ignition can indeed use resistor plugs without issue.

It's the distributor ignition engines (119.960, 119.97x) that should use non-resistor plugs.

:shocking:
 
Final update from me.

From my MB dealer:

The price for the spark plugs inclusive of VAT is £125.76, which we have in stock.


I have no idea how they can justify £15.72 PER SPARK PLUG!!!

My current plugs were fitted ~5k miles ago and I have another set on hand so I have enough plug life available for about 55k miles which is over 50 years at my current annual mileage rate so I will quit looking for now.
 
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