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Umbrella insurance options

dionphaneuf

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I used to keep my 500E on agreed value w Hagerty, and my 944S2 on progressive to get the umbrella coverage. I crashed the S2 in March, and haven't replaced it, and probably won't for a bit.

Any advice on an insurance provider to go w that offers agreed value and umbrella/comprehensive coverage (Hagerty does not) or is at least somewhat easy to deal w for claims?

I had to fight progressive tooth and nail for my 944 value, and they still low balled me. I've heard good things about State Farm. 32 y/o male, living in the Bay Area, car is garaged.
 
Anything that isn't agreed value, you will almost always have to fight to get fair value out of. Progressive, Allstate, State Farm, they all fight to pay as little as they can. That's why you need agreed value to avoid the fight; but usually can't get it for daily drivers.

Umbrella is a separate liability policy, which kicks in after your standard liability runs dry (link). You should be able to get that from whatever company is covering your homeowner or rental insurance policy.

Unless it's different in CA, which is possible... @Jlaa?

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Hi, I am also a male who lives in the SF bay area. That said “32 years old” seems like an abstract concept from many many years ago but I digress...

I have State Farm and have been on SF for several decades. I also have an umbrella policy w SF that kicks in after “standard” liability runs out. SF has always been very easy for me to deal with when I have had to make claim.

That said I use Grundy for agreed value insurance on my “plaything” cars. In fact I spoke w my longtime State Farm agent about agreed value insurance a few years ago, and even HIS advice was to go with Grundy/Hagerty/Whatever for agreed value insurance, as this was something SF did not offer.

I have never had to make a claim w Grundy, knock on wood.

I continue to use SF for insuring my non-plaything cars/house/commercial interests .... but not my “toys.” In fact, in order to get Grundy to insure my toys, for each driver in my household, I had to show proof of “regular” insurance on a unique vehicle (meaning for n drivers, there needed to be n unique vehicles insured regularly.)
 
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While I previously used State Farm for 32 years and was always very pleased with them, when I moved back to Florida they bent me over a chair on premiums (car & umbrella policies) under the guise of "things have gotten a lot worse since you left" only to find I could get identical coverage for about half of what SF was gutting me for from Allstate. What made it worse was when I went back to them with the quotes I got and my agent of many years and a family friend (or so we thought) gave me the, "Let us see what we can do to try and get you better prices." Nope, one bite at the apple, thank you.

Allstate has had both coverages for us since then and has done a great job. I've had two total losses in the time I've been with them, one being a pristine low mileage 1994 S420, and they paid me handsomely to total that car out after it got pranged by an idiot in a pickup truck while it was sitting at a stop light. I actually made money on that car due to the accident.

I would add that Allstate has a business interest with Hagerty, not sure exactly what the arrangement is, meaning my local Allstate agent can write Hagerty policies for me which makes it easy to dovetail the coverage with the (Allstate) umbrella policy.

Dan
 
Do you have a daily driver that's not a classic? I have 3 of my cars on an all state policy along with my home and umbrella. The Hagerty policy has about 14 cars on it. I made sure that the liability limits are the same on all automotive policies.

AFAIK the umbrella policy is a catch all so I'm not sure that all the cars need to be insured through the same company.
 
I have several, which is a requirement for Hagerty. Got to have one daily driver "conventionally" insured for each driver for Hagerty to insure the "classic" car(s).

Dan
 
When I was first driving back in the 1980s, my parents used Allstate, and since I was insured under their policy I had Allstate. When I was out on my own in my early 20s, I continued to use Allstate for many years. I never filed a claim with them so don't really know how they were to deal with.

The last two or three years I lived in Portland, I had insurance through a local insurance broker. They found me great deals through the very reputable lines of insurance they carried. I was paying 40-50% of what I did through Allstate. Wow.

When I moved to Texas in 2008, I got an insurance broker there too. For most of the 10 years I lived there, I had all of my cars insured through The Hartford, plus homeowner's and supplemental umbrella policy. Never filed a claim through them, again, but the rates were quite good. When my 560SEC got sideswiped by the semi in late 2016, it wasn't my fault, so the trucking company's insurance company paid, and my insurance really didn't get involved. The Hartford would only insure my G-wagen as liability only, because it had a salvage title (the classic thing where somehow the rear bumper was hit (no mechanical or body damage -- I have all of the photos) and the vehicle was totaled for literally a broken rear fiberglass bumper, and a broken rear mud flap. Totaled.

The great thing with an insurance broker, is that they carry multiple lines of insurance, and they will (every year) price out renewals with all of the insurance they carry and get you the best deal. In effect, they do the shopping for you, and your rates stay very low. Of course, they would come to me at renewal time every year with an option or two, sometimes with a slightly lower deal, or better coverage for the same price, etc.

When I moved to Maryland I went with another broker, whose primary line of insurance they carry is Erie Insurance. Erie is a regional insurer in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast area. I have been very happy with them for the past three years. Rates are overall about the same as with The Hartford in Texas, and I've only had a couple of windshield replacememnts on Laura's Lexus (no car damage). They've been super easy to deal wiith and most stuff can be done online, good web site, etc. We use Erie for homeowner's, umbrella and car insurance. They provide full coverage for my G-wagen, no problem.

It was interesting -- Laura has a friend who is a State Farm agent, who she used to use for her insurance before we met. He was not able to insure us because of two reasons: 1) he could not insure both of our cars on one policy, because we were not legally married; and 2) he could not provide us with homeowner's insurance because I had made a homeowner's claim within the last three years (at that time -- I had made a homeowner's claim in Texas for my house roof due to hail damage).

I think the guy was a bit embarrassed by both of those reasons -- it wasn't like I could control the homeower's claim because I can't control whether a hail storm happens or not, but he had to go by their corporate rules.

Erie Insurance didn't/doesn't care whether we are married or not. But I guess that won't be a factor for too much longer, anyway...
 
Remember to research any company you are considering. The lowest rates may come with consequences.

Unfortunately, some of the highest-rated, lower-cost companies only insure in certain states. And, some companies may have good ratings in one region, and really poor ratings in another region. THE SAME COMPANY! Bottom line, gotta do your homework...

 
Remember to research any company you are considering. The lowest rates may come with consequences.

Unfortunately, some of the highest-rated, lower-cost companies only insure in certain states. And, some companies may have good ratings in one region, and really poor ratings in another region. THE SAME COMPANY! Bottom line, gotta do your homework...

That is 100% correct. Interestingly, I had a separate motorcycle insurance policy in Texas, and have one in Maryland too. The reason being that The Hartford doesn't insure motorcycles, nor does Erie Insurance.

So, in both Texas and Maryland, I happened to have Safeco as the motorcycle insurer, becuase in both states my insurance brokers happened to carry them as an insurance line.

In Texas, my Safeco motorcycle insurance policy was ~$600 a year. It went up gradually over the years from the $350-400 level to around $600. This is with no accidents or claims.

In Maryland, my Safeco motorcycle policy — which is IDENTICAL in all respects to the one I had in Texas — is around $300 a year. So, quite a bit less for the same policy.

Go figure.
 
It pays to shop around. I switched from All State to Travelers about 12 years ago because Travelers was 1/2 the price of All State for my home owners and auto. After about 10 years of it creeping up. I switched back to All State and reduced my payments again by 1/2.
 
If Chubb didn't invent the premium creep, then they certainly mastered it.

We left them about six years ago, after they had steadily increased our coverage and premiums to about 2.5x where they needed to be.

I'm going to be shopping our Encompass coverage next year. And the agent, as they seem to view my account as a locked-in annuity while I view them as a commodity.
 
It pays to shop around. I switched from All State to Travelers about 12 years ago because Travelers was 1/2 the price of All State for my home owners and auto. After about 10 years of it creeping up. I switched back to All State and reduced my payments again by 1/2.
This: ^^^

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I've noticed many insurance companies will increase premiums annually, even if you have zero claims or tickets, because they can. You don't notice much at first, but after 2-4 years, you're like... what happened? Then you shop around, find someplace 50% less, switch, and the cycle repeats. I get a group rate/discount through my employer for both MetLife and Liberty Mutual. Both have fabulous starter/teaser rates, and then increase ±10% annually. But I generally have to change after 3-4 years because the rates have climbed 30-50%. A couple of the top-rated companies I'd like to use, don't write policies in Idaho. Grumble.

Thankfully, Hagerty has not done this. I started tracking rates in a spreadsheet so I can see what the annual increase is, what I was paying before, what I'm paying now, etc. After starting with Hagerty in summer 2013, there was a 4% increase the next year, then it remained flat (no increase) until a 10% hike in 2019. This year it was a 1% decrease, maybe COVID related. Wish it was lower, I've heard other companies dropping rates if you aren't driving much. Probably because some people are cancelling policies and parking their cars.

BTW - I think there was a detailed discussion thread on insurance a number of years ago; although usually it's around agreed value policies, not standard DD policies.

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My mom uses State Farm now, I believe. She's 82 (and in great health), but doesn't drive more than a couple hundred miles a month (particularly since COVID). She recently did a new policy with them where she is charged by the mile she drives, rather than a flat rate. They do install a small device (OBD-2) on her car that tracks the miles driven, and then at some point she gets charged for what she drives. This makes sense for someone in her situation, but probably no one on this forum.
 
When you live in a no-fault state like Florida there is pretty much a floor for what companies charge. Allstate has been competitive and has vacillated up and down roughly 2% over the 7-8 years we've been with them, so I have no complaints. In the situations where we've had a claim they've paid it almost instantly without hassle and been very fair in their values.

I pay roughly $4k/year for three cars, two of which have full coverage on them including comp and roadside assistance. The big kicker in Florida, as a no-fault state, is the liability and PIP, which are mandated by law. As a result, the costs are nearly identical with other insurers in these areas but the variable is what you pay for your other coverages, like collision.

Right now we're getting a 15% decrease in premiums due to COVID and I get another 10% off the top for using their driving application on my phone. It's far less intrusive than the OBDII dongle that some use, not to mention most of my cars wouldn't support the dongle anyway. I could get more if I added Mrs. Dan to the program but I fear we would get cancelled in a heartbeat if I did.

Dan
 

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