Which AMG parts make an AMG E60, an AMG E60, with exception to the M119 6.0?

[e500.org]

Ok - so I have understood over the years that not all E60s came specced the same, particularly when dealing with post delivery conversions and different markets.

Some even had zero mid other than the engine upgrade and some of those cars have been documented by owners on this forum.

There have also been many aftermarket parts over the years too, not only for the E60 but the E500E.

To help answer the question of ‘what did AMG offer at the time’: can anyone shed light on which parts did AMG officially make for the E60 and if we were to fully spec an E60, what would that look like?

Maybe this can easily be answered with a brochure from the era?

Let me kick it off:

• Venerable 6.0L AMG M119
• AMG modified EZL?
• Stainless steel Door sills
• Speedometer face plate 300kmh
• Boot badges E60, pre merger AMG badge
• Engine air cleaner/Airbox cover badges - airbox same I think just badges added
• Suspension shocks
• Suspension springs
• Suspension Front & rear (?) anti roll bars
• Exhaust backbox with square tips - understand this is a regular 036 backbox with AMG tips welded on
• 17” 3 piece alloys AMG square setup 8.5J - i understand no cars delivered with the 10J rear alloys
• Upgraded center console? V rare and seen on cars from Japan
• Gen 2 AMG body kit front rear and side skirts - although I’m under the impression this was never made for the 036 and modified aftermarket to fit (but was this done by AMG Japan ??)
• GSXR addition: 2.65 rear axle ratio for higher vMax (if delimited), vs standard 2.82 gearing

Cheers,

Bilal

 

[500AMM]

Interesting thread and for reference the topic is discussed in the following thread as well - maybe more related to codes & designation;

How to determine an Authentic Factory E60 AMG from "Aftermarket" or "Fake" E60 | W124 AMG & Tuner Cars

Hi All, Thought I would start a thread on this, since I am noticing a large number of W124 on the market that are advertised as "E60"; many of which have questionable authenticity. The true number of E60 AMG was around 131-147 examples (please correct with exact number if available). * This...

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Both the EZL #015 545 61 32 and LH unit HWA124 545 10 32 are E60 specific
(image picked from @Rouven036 owners thread post #57)

I am not sure about those AMG door sill plates with the additional text "Limited Edition".
The NOS AMG door sill plates B6 602 1000 I sold some years ago had only AMG embossed.
(same type also shown in the W202 AMG brochure)

To my understanding the 300 kmh speedo plate HWA124 542 03 88 was optional for the E60 AMG as well.
(the only E60 AMG here in Norway doesn't have it)

Yes, the AMG badges are glued upon the stock airbox Mercedes-Benz lettering.

Only the front swaybar is E60 specific, 30 mm dia. (up 2 mm from stock) HWA124 323 01 65

Not sure about the 3-piece 17" AMG/OZ Aero II setup, I think they were optional in any case.

That center console trim is not E60 specific. AFAIK it was an AMG Japan made item.

Neither AMG nor any other brand offered any body kit for the 036 models. The AMG Gen II will fit with some tweaks.

 

[gsxr]

To help answer the question of ‘what did AMG offer at the time’: can anyone shed light on which parts did AMG officially make for the E60 and if we were to fully spec an E60, what would that look like? Maybe this can easily be answered with a brochure from the era?

Let me kick it off:

Bilal,

This is an excellent question. Finding accurate answers is extremely difficult, mostly because we would need to know how a car was ordered AND how it was delivered, with zero km's on the odometer. Photos of zero-km E60's are nearly nonexistent. Photos or scans of the ordering sheet from 1993-1995 might help, if it had checkboxes a buyer could tick off when ordering? Not sure if that exists.

Anyway - my understanding is below. I'm not sure if my $0.02 are correct, if anyone has evidence otherwise, please share!

• Venerable 6.0L AMG M119
• AMG modified EZL?

I believe every single AMG 6.0L originally was delivered with the Bosch-produced HWA- EZL, but since these Bosch units are known to be failure prone, almost all have been replaced over the years with the standard 015-545-61-32 Siemens EZL by now. Allegedly the only difference on the HWA- EZL is a timing map with a few degrees less advance, which seems odd, since the standard EZL with a #3 plug would provide a similar (same?) curve.

• Stainless steel Door sills
• Speedometer face plate 300kmh

Pretty sure both of these items were post-delivery accessories, or optional on "conversion" cars. Quite a few E60's have stock 260kph speedometers.

• Boot badges E60, pre merger AMG badge

AFAIK the factory builds had badges unless the car wsa ordered with the badge-delete option. Conversions, it was whatever the customer wanted.

• Engine air cleaner/Airbox cover badges - airbox same I think just badges added

Yup, stock airbox with badges added, all builds should have this.

• Suspension shocks
• Suspension springs
• Suspension Front & rear (?) anti roll bars

This is one of the outstanding mysteries. You would think that all E60's would have the E60-specific suspension. My theory is that all factory builds had this (possibly without the specific option code in the datacard?) and that it was optional on conversions. There seems to be some evidence to the contrary though. As Arnt noted above, there was never a larger rear bar offered, not even by AMG Japan.

• Exhaust backbox with square tips - understand this is a regular 036 backbox with AMG tips welded on

That's my understanding as well... stock muffler with shiny tips added. This was only found on AMG Japan builds.

• 17” 3 piece alloys AMG square setup 8.5J - i understand no cars delivered with the 10J rear alloys

I agree with Arnt, wheels were optional and ordered separately from the 6L upgrade.

• Upgraded center console? V rare and seen on cars from Japan

This is NOT an E60 item. It's an aftermarket accessory mostly seen on Japan-spec cars but could be ordered for any 124, AFAIK.

• Gen 2 AMG body kit front rear and side skirts - although I’m under the impression this was never made for the 036 and modified aftermarket to fit (but was this done by AMG Japan ??)

Arnt nailed this as well. There was never an AMG body kit specific to the 036. When you see a Gen2 body kit fitted to an E60, or any 036, it's almost always on Japan-spec cars. I've never seen nor heard of AMG Germany rolling an E60 out their doors with a Gen2 kit.


Not mentioned in the list above is rear axle ratio. The vast majority have 2.82 but I believe a few came with 2.65 gearing (special order only, conversion / post-delivery, and NOT coded in the datacard).

 

[195910]

+1 what @gsxr mentioned :

- AMG door entry sills were standard
- AMG Suspensions+wheels package was optional and had a separate option code in the price list.
- No styling package was made.
- No upgraded center console (for factory E60 AMG)
- No AMG exhaust, even those "AMG Japan" rear mufflers look like standard E500 mufflers with AMG tips welded on, rather than an exhaust silencer like in the C36 AMG.
- AMG-Specific EZL was discontinued when later version of the 5.0L EZL were produced.

 

[e500.org]

Bilal,

This is an excellent question. Finding accurate answers is extremely difficult, mostly because we would need to know how a car was ordered AND how it was delivered, with zero km's on the odometer. Photos of zero-km E60's are nearly nonexistent. Photos or scans of the ordering sheet from 1993-1995 might help, if it had checkboxes a buyer could tick off when ordering? Not sure if that exists.

Anyway - my understanding is below. I'm not sure if my $0.02 are correct, if anyone has evidence otherwise, please share!




I believe every single AMG 6.0L originally was delivered with the Bosch-produced HWA- EZL, but since these Bosch units are known to be failure prone, almost all have been replaced over the years with the standard 015-545-61-32 Siemens EZL by now. Allegedly the only difference on the HWA- EZL is a timing map with a few degrees less advance, which seems odd, since the standard EZL with a #3 plug would provide a similar (same?) curve.



Pretty sure both of these items were post-delivery accessories, or optional on "conversion" cars. Quite a few E60's have stock 260kph speedometers.



AFAIK the factory builds had badges unless the car wsa ordered with the badge-delete option. Conversions, it was whatever the customer wanted.



Yup, stock airbox with badges added, all builds should have this.



This is one of the outstanding mysteries. You would think that all E60's would have the E60-specific suspension. My theory is that all factory builds had this (possibly without the specific option code in the datacard?) and that it was optional on conversions. There seems to be some evidence to the contrary though. As Arnt noted above, there was never a larger rear bar offered, not even by AMG Japan.



That's my understanding as well... stock muffler with shiny tips added. This was only found on AMG Japan builds.



I agree with Arnt, wheels were optional and ordered separately from the 6L upgrade.



This is NOT an E60 item. It's an aftermarket accessory mostly seen on Japan-spec cars but could be ordered for any 124, AFAIK.



Arnt nailed this as well. There was never an AMG body kit specific to the 036. When you see a Gen2 body kit fitted to an E60, or any 036, it's almost always on Japan-spec cars. I've never seen nor heard of AMG Germany rolling an E60 out their doors with a Gen2 kit.


Not mentioned in the list above is rear axle ratio. The vast majority have 2.82 but I believe a few came with 2.65 gearing (special order only, conversion / post-delivery, and NOT coded in the datacard).

Interesting thread and for reference the topic is discussed in the following thread as well - maybe more related to codes & designation;

How to determine an Authentic Factory E60 AMG from "Aftermarket" or "Fake" E60 | W124 AMG & Tuner Cars

Hi All, Thought I would start a thread on this, since I am noticing a large number of W124 on the market that are advertised as "E60"; many of which have questionable authenticity. The true number of E60 AMG was around 131-147 examples (please correct with exact number if available). * This...

www.500eboard.co

Both the EZL #015 545 61 32 and LH unit HWA124 545 10 32 are E60 specific
(image picked from @Rouven036 owners thread post #57)

I am not sure about those AMG door sill plates with the additional text "Limited Edition".
The NOS AMG door sill plates B6 602 1000 I sold some years ago had only AMG embossed.
(same type also shown in the W202 AMG brochure)

To my understanding the 300 kmh speedo plate HWA124 542 03 88 was optional for the E60 AMG as well.
(the only E60 AMG here in Norway doesn't have it)

Yes, the AMG badges are glued upon the stock airbox Mercedes-Benz lettering.

Only the front swaybar is E60 specific, 30 mm dia. (up 2 mm from stock) HWA124 323 01 65

Not sure about the 3-piece 17" AMG/OZ Aero II setup, I think they were optional in any case.

That center console trim is not E60 specific. AFAIK it was an AMG Japan made item.

Neither AMG nor any other brand offered any body kit for the 036 models. The AMG Gen II will fit with some tweaks.

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Thanks so much for this data

I uploaded a photo of the wrong door sills btw - I believe the Limited Edition ones came on certain W210 E60 - the ones you mentioned do indeed look correct (man, would I love a set)

 

[e500.org]

+1 what @gsxr mentioned :

- AMG door entry sills were standard
- AMG Suspensions+wheels package was optional and had a separate option code in the price list.
- No styling package was made.
- No upgraded center console (for factory E60 AMG)
- No AMG exhaust, even those "AMG Japan" rear mufflers look like standard E500 mufflers with AMG tips welded on, rather than an exhaust silencer like in the C36 AMG.
- AMG-Specific EZL was discontinued when later version of the 5.0L EZL were produced.

So I guess we have some E60 delivered only with the door sills ?? very understated - I also think many E60 have been modified post delivery so as GSXR says it’s v difficult to be definitive

I’ll search for E60 data cards …

I would love all these mods on my E500 LTD, bar probably the Gen 2 body kit I couldn’t do that to my car … I better get saving and searching

 

[195910]

So I guess we have some E60 delivered only with the door sills ?? very understated - I also think many E60 have been modified post delivery so as GSXR says it’s v difficult to be definitive

I’ll search for E60 data cards …

I would love all these mods on my E500 LTD, bar probably the Gen 2 body kit I couldn’t do that to my car … I better get saving and searching

Exterior and Interior additions were only the speedometer and doors entry sills. Per the 1994 AMG catalogue photos and photos of Euro-delivered factory E60s including mine.

 

[500AMM]

+1 what @gsxr mentioned :

- AMG door entry sills were standard
- AMG-Specific EZL was discontinued when later version of the 5.0L EZL were produced.

Ahmad - do you have a more exact time frame on that? Is it related to the Siemens - Bosch changeover?

 

[e500.org]

Exterior and Interior additions were only the speedometer and doors entry sills. Per the 1994 AMG catalogue photos and photos of Euro-delivered factory E60s including mine.

Thanks bro - can you share a copy of that catalogue on this thread?

 

[195910]

Ahmad - do you have a more exact time frame on that? Is it related to the Siemens - Bosch changeover?

When the EZL's were unified between closed deck block and open deck block engines, timeline around late 94/ early 95.

 

[195910]

Thanks bro - can you share a copy of that catalogue on this thread?

Forum admin @gerryvz has the catalouges already uploaded somewhere, best to do a search

 

[AdamCabrio]

Here is an old AMG brochure:

AMG 8-1993 (E)

There is no mention of an "upgraded center console". I agree that this seems to be a Japanese aftermarket item, I wouldn't even call it an upgrade (for cars factory fitted with the optional auxiliary heating such a center console would actually be a downgrade, as it would obscure the control panel)

 

[e500.org]

Forum admin @gerryvz has the catalouges already uploaded somewhere, best to do a search

Here is an old AMG brochure:

AMG 8-1993 (E)

There is no mention of an "upgraded center console". I agree that this seems to be a Japanese aftermarket item, I wouldn't even call it an upgrade (for cars factory fitted with the optional auxiliary heating such a center console would actually be a downgrade, as it would obscure the control panel)

Thanks very much

At least now we can confirm the AMG E60 can be optioned with AMG 17’ 3 piece in square setup 8.5J, ET30

 

[Rouven036]

The center console was an amg direct sold option only.
A couple of years ago a blocke sold the remaining ones left, mostly with automatic ac.

The first 500E 6.0 tested by ams had this center console. It was made in resemblance of the new R129.

Change over of the ezl controller to standard 5.0 with other trim plug is described already in the either R129 6.0 or 6.0 LH intro document.
I had found this and posted it back then already a couple of times here.

The link to my thread of 2014:

Photos of your AMG 6.0 EZL ignition controller | W124 AMG & Tuner Cars

Hi folks, I'm looking for photos of the EZL ignition controller of the AMG 6.0 cars, there is contrary information about these units. Some stating there must be the HWA number on it, some stating that this HWA number is only printed on the EZL of the tall deck CIS-E motors version and some that...

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Along with the option to potentially tune the 6L with the 3° advanced standard 5.0 plug while using high octane fuel.

Edit: just searched and found it... Dave has the article in his archive. Auto Motor und Sport article "Unter Ausschluß der Öffentlichkeit" (link).
The R129 style wood panels are available since pre facelift times.

Edit II, the article is from '92 and describes already that as of '93 a amg version could be ordered from the dealer.
The article states that in the 6.0 conversion the 320mm brake upgrade and suspension to be included in the conversion cost ( but if that is correct I m not sure, brakes certainly yes as registration relevant in Germany, suspension not really) . Also they describe the optional 2.65 diff
ratio.

The 260km/ speedo scale was standard on all the amg's. optional and sold directly through amg was the 300km/h speedo option.

Edit 3: the w140 from which I got the complete amg power train was originally built by amg affalterbach as I got the complete details such as engine built date and even the name and staff number of the technician. This car production date is just shortly after the manufacturing date of the ezl controller with nbr. 3 trim plug.

For reference and proof here the w140 donor vin WDB1400501A208240. Accordingly the ecu/ezl/engine and transmission are all matching. Note also for clarification the mysterious hwa badge on the upgraded transmission (different spring kit and modulator pressure cell) main components unchanged

So the transmission or better said valve body and modulator pressure cell upgrade was also included in all 6.0/E60 vehicles.

 

[195910]

This confirms what was mentioned earlier about the EZL. The Bosch made "AMG specific" EZL was superseded by the unified EZLs. The ignition retard was only needed for 95 Super unleaded.

 

[500AMM]

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For reference and proof here the w140 donor vin WDB1400501A208240. Accordingly the ecu/ezl/engine and transmission are all matching. Note also for clarification the mysterious hwa badge on the upgraded transmission (different spring kit and modulator pressure cell) main components unchanged

So the transmission or better said valve body and modulator pressure cell upgrade was also included in all 6.0/E60 vehicles.

Many thanks for that info, @Rouven036!

That aluminium badge with HWA 140 270 01 00 was enclosed in the only letter I have from AMG on my 6.0 conversion. This aslo explains the different transmission characteristics I noticed between my 6.0 and my exLimited, quite significant actually - harder/quicker shifting.

 

[Rouven036]

Exactly this is what the amg mod does...

 

[hAMGurger]

This thread is amazing.