Beru changed suppliers for the rotors they rebox... don't buy them. I'd recommend OE only now (Doduco) but Bosch would be my second choice. Not Bremi, Facet, or anything else.
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Beru rotors now made in ITALY, no longer reboxed OE
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OE is part 119 158 02 31 @ $82/rotor at Gainesville Mercedes with our 500E board discount, so I ordered them.
I found these at Partsgeek, but was afraid to pull the trigger.
Beru Distributor Rotor
1992 Mercedes 500E
SKU: W0133-2267003
Eng: 001476-, Prior to listed cut-offs (1) each of 119 158 06 40 rotor mounting bracket. is required. 2 required per engine.
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I found these at Partsgeek, but was afraid to pull the trigger.
Beru Distributor Rotor
1992 Mercedes 500E
SKU: W0133-2267003
Eng: 001476-, Prior to listed cut-offs (1) each of 119 158 06 40 rotor mounting bracket. is required. 2 required per engine.
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PartsGeek shows 2 in stock. And, they will cancel your order if you try to buy those. And the day after your order is cancelled, they will show 2 in stock again. Their website, and inventory system, is one of the worst I've encountered. I only buy from them when I have to (i.e., the Beru wire sets).
YMMV, etc.
Trae, you did the right thing!!
YMMV, etc.
Trae, you did the right thing!!
Yep, that's exactly what happened to me!PartsGeek shows 2 in stock. And, they will cancel your order if you try to buy those. And the day after your order is cancelled, they will show 2 in stock again. Their website, and inventory system, is one of the worst I've encountered. I only buy from them when I have to (i.e., the Beru wire sets).
YMMV, etc.
Trae, you did the right thing!!
I just catched a set on ebay
2x Beru EVL183 Distributor Finger for Mercedes W124 R129 W119 400-60AMG 0300900183 | eBay
2x BERU EVL183 Verteilerfinger für MERCEDES W124 R129 W119 400-60AMG 0300900183. Zustand: "Neu". Versand mit DHL Paket bis 2 kg.
www.ebay.com
FYI. You can still buy the Beru EVL 183 from NAPA Autoparts.
They currently have a 20% off sale right now ---- the website is a little clunky so its really confusing on how to get the 20% off (supposedly you need to buy a $5 bag...) So I just called up my NAPA guy and he sold them to me for $40 a piece. I bought six of them.
Today's Date - 2020-11-3 --- these were made in Germany. Also see the Mercedes star in the 2nd picture
They currently have a 20% off sale right now ---- the website is a little clunky so its really confusing on how to get the 20% off (supposedly you need to buy a $5 bag...) So I just called up my NAPA guy and he sold them to me for $40 a piece. I bought six of them.
Today's Date - 2020-11-3 --- these were made in Germany. Also see the Mercedes star in the 2nd picture
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Where were you YESTERDAY?!?!
I am so sorry!!!!
Completely in jest @Jlaa! Thanks so much for the tip. Ordering more now!!!!I am so sorry!!!!
Did you put 4mm allen bolts on it?
I mean to be fair, I haven't had a problem at all with Bosch rotors/caps ---- similar to how you had no issues with the Bosch stuff from 2009-2020.I could chalk up my good experience with the Bosch stuff due the relatively dry climate and narrow temperature band (45F - 90F) that I live in, but your problem-free experience spanned the
Being that I worked for NAPA (Actually GPC their parent) for the last 2 decades, I can say that it's not out of the realm that dealers are actually sourcing the OE ones from the APG Group's supply chain. Their procurement leverage is such that it may make more business sense for a OE dealer to get parts at a lower cost from the NAPA network then their own.They are still available from your favorite dealer, just not as cheap.
It remains to be seen how many NAPA has left before they run out...
Thanks! Fascinating. At first I thought NAPA's supply chain sources from the same Worldpac/etc. that everyone else like FCP Euro sources from ..... but two days ago I decided to order the EVL183s from NAPA on a lark, and whaddya know, the 183s actually came.
Is NAPA's supply chain different from that of FCP Euro / AutohausAZ / etc?
Doduco rotors don't need the 4mm allen bolt upgrade. 3mm hex keys fit snugly.
It's the Bosch rotors with the sloppy bolt heads that really need the bolts replaced.
Yeah, but do you want "acceptable" or do you want "Massive Overkill"?
@Trae in post #15 puts the 4mm bolts on EVERYTHING. 
It's different now. Before 2013 they were strictly a North American business. Two big acquisitions moved them into the SE Asia Market and Europe. Those moves gave them direct access to sources allowing them to tap into OE parts channels as they never had before. I estimate that in a few years they will be a primary player in the EU to USA supply chain channels positioning themselves to become the source for OE parts (speaking in the scope of European brands).
Did you put 4mm allen bolts on it?
I could chalk up my good experience with the Bosch stuff due the relatively dry climate and narrow temperature band (45F - 90F) that I live in, but your problem-free experience spanned thewet-zonePacific Northwest,land of exaggerated machoTexas, and now thesnow and cold zoneEast Coast.
The @gsxr is correct. Not only that, but I have the proper fitting Allen equipment of good quality, and I DO NOT USE ball-end Allen tools on rotor (or any ignition-involved) bolts.Yeah, but do you want "acceptable" or do you want "Massive Overkill"?
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I'm sure NAPA is having a major run on these EVIL-183s at the moment. Someone's gonna get left out on the Doduco/Beru Musical Chairs, and is going to wind up with a pair of EVIL 1831s in their NAPA package.
You are correct that I have lived in three very different climates, one of which was very wet/moist, one of which was very humid, and one of which has both of the others for shorter periods of the year. Just so you know, there is little to no difference between the Maryland climate of July or August, and the Houston climate of July or August.
It's just that the Houston July or August climate runs 6-7 months out of the year, whereas the Houston July or August climate only lasts for July or August here in Maryland.
I think I would venture that the insects in Houston are larger, more prevalent, and more annoying.
Well, they do say that everything's bigger in Texas, and to a significant extent, that adage is 100% true.I think I would venture that the insects in Houston are larger, more prevalent, and more annoying.
That being said, I lived there for 10 years and never had a tick bite. So far, after three years in Maryland, I've had four ticks, and one case of Lyme Disease.
HEY. I'm not sure if @nocfn is necessarily an insect...I think I would venture that the insects in Houston are larger, more prevalent, and more annoying.
Woops, I never knew and had a box of the 4mm, so I used them.
Update on this. I picked up the other four rotors that I bought from NAPA. Some of them are EVL183 JC, some are EVL183 DB, and some are EVL 183 IZ. I don’t know what the difference is but they all appear the same - all made in Germany, all have the MB star. One of them was missing one allen bolt but 
......I have lots of 4mm marine grade stainless allen bolts in my supply.
The NAPA guy told me that these four came from Fresno CA to SF CA and that I bought “the last four”. I don’t know if that means the last four in the region or the last four in some other construct.....
But if you are interested in getting some then I HIGHLY SUGGEST you get to NAPA and order some.
......I have lots of 4mm marine grade stainless allen bolts in my supply. The NAPA guy told me that these four came from Fresno CA to SF CA and that I bought “the last four”. I don’t know if that means the last four in the region or the last four in some other construct.....
But if you are interested in getting some then I HIGHLY SUGGEST you get to NAPA and order some.
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It's going to take you many, many years to use all six of those rotors. The last ones I had were still going strong with more than 40,000 miles on them, and around 11 years. So you should have a lifetime supply. I expect the EVIL-183s I just installed will last me another 40,000 miles and 10+ years.
For those who are freaked out by all of this nonsense Beru rotor availability gibberish ... the bottom line is that appropriate rotors of good quality are easily available from at least three aftermarket vendors, as well as from MB itself.
You need not fear that rotors are going NLA, and you can easily buy them from quite a variety of sources. There is ZERO need to hoard rotors, caps, or any other ignition components for the M119. Just so you know, I have ZERO new spare caps and rotors in my parts stash. I do have two sets of used caps and a spare set of rotors, just for an emergency, but see no need to stock up on new/spare caps and rotors at the present time.
For those who are freaked out by all of this nonsense Beru rotor availability gibberish ... the bottom line is that appropriate rotors of good quality are easily available from at least three aftermarket vendors, as well as from MB itself.
You need not fear that rotors are going NLA, and you can easily buy them from quite a variety of sources. There is ZERO need to hoard rotors, caps, or any other ignition components for the M119. Just so you know, I have ZERO new spare caps and rotors in my parts stash. I do have two sets of used caps and a spare set of rotors, just for an emergency, but see no need to stock up on new/spare caps and rotors at the present time.
The NAPA 20 pc off sale lasts through November. 20 pc off yields a price that is about 1/2 the price of MB OE (after discounts from places like Naperville).
If I can accumulate enough variety of the right spares, then I would feel comfortable getting a second 500E — either Spruce Green or Perlmuttgrau.
That is my long term goal!
If I can accumulate enough variety of the right spares, then I would feel comfortable getting a second 500E — either Spruce Green or Perlmuttgrau.
That is my long term goal!
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I ordered these... A4 (316) Stainless Steel Split Lock Washer DIN 127B - M2 M2.5 M3 M4 M5 M6 M8 M10 | eBayYour next mission, should you choose to accept it: Finding matching lockwashers that don't break in half like the Bosch washers do.
sounds like someone needs a separate 'hording stash' credit card & paypal.
I do have something to report...
The 20% online discount that @Jlaa reported appears to be combinable with the 10% AAA discount that NAPA typically offers. But also, as @Jlaa reported, the Website is NOT the best. Here are my observations and results, as I was a bit confused, and then delightfully surprised at the end:
I'll report back if i receive EVIL-1831's instead of EVIL-183s!
The 20% online discount that @Jlaa reported appears to be combinable with the 10% AAA discount that NAPA typically offers. But also, as @Jlaa reported, the Website is NOT the best. Here are my observations and results, as I was a bit confused, and then delightfully surprised at the end:
- The website will indicate that the 20% discount is dependent on purchase of a 'tool bag'. I spent some time looking around the website and could not locate this bag. I then went back and noticed that there is some small font on the offer indicating that the tool bag is only a requirement if buying IN-STORE. I added the rotors to my shopping cart and the 20% discount was added automatically, without nary a tool bag in sight of my Cart
- On the right hand side of your shopping cart, you'll see that there is a spot to enter a AAA membership number. I did this, and updated my shopping cart. It now showed my total discount at 30% (20% fake toolbag offer + 10% AAA discount)
- I then went to checkout, and was dismayed to note that the total presented indicated that discount had been reduced back to 20%, but with nothing indicating why. It was still indicating that my AAA discount was 'applied'. I called NAPA to clarify and they explained that the discounts were 'not combinable', which made sense. So the only glitch was the website indicating my AAA discount was still applied when it was not.
- I got over the disappointment and decided to proceed with my order. I entered my CC info clicked 'purchase'. To my surprise, the 'Thank you for your order' page indicated I had in fact received 30% off! I verified this by checking my CC statement online.
I'll report back if i receive EVIL-1831's instead of EVIL-183s!
Score!!!!
I think you should be able to get the 183s. If I do a search of local NAPAs, they report that 183s are available for pickup several days out (which infers a local out of stock condition). However, if I expand my search radius to 80 miles, NAPAs further out report that 183s are available for pickup the next day. That suggests to me that the supply is distributed across several warehouses.
You mean the first set of your 5 hoarded sets ?
...You mean the first set of your 5 hoarded sets ?
5? No. Thats excessive.
4 at the absolute most!!!
Digging up this thread. Today the garage, where I left my car, went to install the rotor arms - they have told me the EVL183's did not fit. I have used Beru EVL183's on previous 500Es but those are pre-facelift cars, my current car is a 94 E500 so the facelift model, I don't know if there are any differences tbh. Can anyone shed some light on this? Do I need to install the original Mercedes parts instead for the 94 E500? Any help would be much appreciated as the rotor arms need to be replaced. Many thanks.
I believe there are two different styles/types of rotor brackets -- an early type and late type. You have to have the correct brackets, IIRC.
From the @gsxr's site:
More info here: Can the MAF fail only when hot? (SL500) | Troubleshooting and Diagnostics
and here: HOW-TO: Replacing M119 Distributor Insulator/Dust Cover | "HOW-TO" Tutorial Articles
and even here: 500E - Distributor and rotor problem | M119 Engine
and MOST DEFINITELY here: Ignition parts/ rotor and distributor cap brand"discovery" | M119 Engine
just a teesy bit here: OWNER - MikeinTampa | Owners and Their Cars
and just for shits & giggles before I have to move on and stop searching.... just one more here: Genuine MB updated ignition rotor mounting brackets, 119-158-0640 | Parts for Sale
Lots more by searching per below:
From the @gsxr's site:
More info here: Can the MAF fail only when hot? (SL500) | Troubleshooting and Diagnostics
and here: HOW-TO: Replacing M119 Distributor Insulator/Dust Cover | "HOW-TO" Tutorial Articles
and even here: 500E - Distributor and rotor problem | M119 Engine
and MOST DEFINITELY here: Ignition parts/ rotor and distributor cap brand"discovery" | M119 Engine
just a teesy bit here: OWNER - MikeinTampa | Owners and Their Cars
and just for shits & giggles before I have to move on and stop searching.... just one more here: Genuine MB updated ignition rotor mounting brackets, 119-158-0640 | Parts for Sale
Lots more by searching per below:
As Gerry said, it may be the bracket, not the rotors. Also, need photos of the actual rotors, not the boxes...
Contained in this video from today
The rotor looks correct. You very likely need to replace the bracket. The new rotors will not fit on the old brackets, as Gerry already explained. Someone commented with the same information on your YouTube video.
Also, your mechanic should read this forum to learn about the different spark plug wire lengths. The wire set with the orange plastic boots (on the engine in the video) ARE DIFFERENT LENGHTS than the replacement wire set with 90° metal boots. You cannot match old length to new!! There is a chart posted on this forum that shows the correct length for each cylinder. If those are the Beru ZEF-635 as they appear to be, all the lengths are perfect, but he needs to use the chart to get them on the proper cylinders. I've posted photos of what the routing looks like as well, it will not be the same as with the orange plastic versions.
Also, your mechanic should read this forum to learn about the different spark plug wire lengths. The wire set with the orange plastic boots (on the engine in the video) ARE DIFFERENT LENGHTS than the replacement wire set with 90° metal boots. You cannot match old length to new!! There is a chart posted on this forum that shows the correct length for each cylinder. If those are the Beru ZEF-635 as they appear to be, all the lengths are perfect, but he needs to use the chart to get them on the proper cylinders. I've posted photos of what the routing looks like as well, it will not be the same as with the orange plastic versions.
Thx to you and Gerry, much appreciated, learn something everyday with these cars. Unfortunately very difficult to find E500E experts, he is a very good mechanic IMO. Q
NAPA's price on the Beru caps is in-sane at $135 EACH, and that's with 20% discount. Beru caps are available on eBay for ~$165/pair. OE/dealer caps are stupid priced at $250 MSRP. Currently, all the aftermarket caps (Bosch, Beru, Bremi) are in the $90-$100 range each from almost every vendor.
Old-version Beru rotors are currently $55 each at NAPA with 20% discount:
As mentioned back in post #83, the "good" OE/Genuine rotors are still available from MB, but at a higher price. Currently $120 MSRP, discount ~$83 each from the good Mr. Hicks. But yeah, if you need them, $49-$55/ea from NAPA will save a few Hamiltons (maybe Grants). Enjoy it while it lasts, when NAPA is sold out, we'll all be stuck paying for OE/dealer rotors, or gambling on the aftermarket junk.
parts.edhicksimports.com
Old-version Beru rotors are currently $55 each at NAPA with 20% discount:
As mentioned back in post #83, the "good" OE/Genuine rotors are still available from MB, but at a higher price. Currently $120 MSRP, discount ~$83 each from the good Mr. Hicks. But yeah, if you need them, $49-$55/ea from NAPA will save a few Hamiltons (maybe Grants). Enjoy it while it lasts, when NAPA is sold out, we'll all be stuck paying for OE/dealer rotors, or gambling on the aftermarket junk.
Distributor 119-158-02-31 | OEM Mercedes Benz Parts
Distributor 119-158-02-31
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I just received two EVL183 rotors from Napa. Both have the MB star and part number on them. One was made in 2013, the other in 2011. Both say Germany on them.
I had previously ordered two from FCP, and returned them after seeing that one was black and the other was red and slightly different (EVL 1831). FCP tried to make me keep them, saying they are the same, but they were different enough that I returned them for a full refund.
I had previously ordered two from FCP, and returned them after seeing that one was black and the other was red and slightly different (EVL 1831). FCP tried to make me keep them, saying they are the same, but they were different enough that I returned them for a full refund.
Yep, as noted earlier in this thread, the black one (EVL183) is OE/Genuine, the orange (EVL1831) is aftermarket Facet, not OEM, and definitely not OE (remember, OE is not the same as OEM).
