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[Video] 500E Dry Ice underbody treatment
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I totally need one of those. Wonder what they charge (per car) for folks lucky enough to live near Costa Mesa, CA.
And does the Coldjet PCS60 really cost $90k as claimed...?!! Of course, I can't find official pricing anywhere.
www.coldjet.com
And does the Coldjet PCS60 really cost $90k as claimed...?!! Of course, I can't find official pricing anywhere.
Aero2 PCS 60 - Precision & Versatile Dry Ice Blasting Machine | Cold Jet
The Aero2 PCS 60 is a precision dry ice blasting machine designed to give the user complete control enabled with Cold Jet's Industry 4.0 solution. Call now!
www.coldjet.com
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Nice! But a couple of concerns:
1 - Isn't this removing undercoating/wax ?
2 - It the dry ice abrasive to plastic/rubber/paint ?
I've seen it used to sandblast cars for paiting (without sand), also saw a case where is used for the engine compartment to remove oils and grime.
1 - Isn't this removing undercoating/wax ?
2 - It the dry ice abrasive to plastic/rubber/paint ?
I've seen it used to sandblast cars for paiting (without sand), also saw a case where is used for the engine compartment to remove oils and grime.
Dry Ice treatment is obviously a very specialist process. It is gentle enough to exfoliate dirt & light corrosion but not harsh enough to damage the rubberised factory undercoating. This is also down to the operator to know when to move on and be gentle.
Shot blasting will remove rust etc but if you duct tape fragile machined surfaces it just blows off the tape and doesn't eat through.
Vapour blasting is a process I have also had carried out locally on aluminium engine parts. Whilst not as gentle as dry ice would be, it is much less abrasive than shot blasting and leaves a nice sheen on the parts. Vapour blasting also cleans rubber and plastic parts like new and does not mar or damage the surface.
So we are going down through the various blast mediums and getting finer and finer results.
Sand blasting
Shot blasting
Vapour blasting
Dry ice blasting
This is just scratching the surface BTW (pardon the pun) as there are all sorts of media that can be used too such as walnut shells etc.
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Nothing came up in the searchable Cal smog testing database.Anyone recognize that 500E? Wonder if the VIN could be determined via the license plate...
Here's a no-name machine that costs a fractionI totally need one of those. Wonder what they charge (per car) for folks lucky enough to live near Costa Mesa, CA.
And does the Coldjet PCS60 really cost $90k as claimed...?!! Of course, I can't find official pricing anywhere.
Aero2 PCS 60 - Precision & Versatile Dry Ice Blasting Machine | Cold Jet
The Aero2 PCS 60 is a precision dry ice blasting machine designed to give the user complete control enabled with Cold Jet's Industry 4.0 solution. Call now!
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$2700 probably gets you a HF-quality machine with zero post-sale support. But a couple of jobs and it's paid off.
But it would appear that you'll need a pretty massive air compressor as well, so factor that into the cost.Here's a no-name machine that costs a fraction
Toolots, Inc. - Reliable Equipment Fast.
www.toolots.com
$2700 probably gets you a HF-quality machine with zero post-sale support. But a couple of jobs and it's paid off.
Dan
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I couldn't figure out what compressor size was needed. Hmmm.
Maybe the ice blast is in preparation for a BaH listing?
See bullet #5I couldn't figure out what compressor size was needed. Hmmm.
Maybe the ice blast is in preparation for a BaH listing?
Depending on rental rate, maybe another reason for a working GTG . . .
Most likely headed for Bat again
If they put Yuro lenses on it (Correct spec obv) it ought to bring 480k, on a bad day IMHO. The Yuro lenses are of course $5k of that.
That's crazy high air consumption. Looks like a 15hp+ industrial compressor is needed, likely either 3-phase or even gas powered, just to hit the minimum 50cfm. I found some that met the minimum requirements, ~$5k, 3-phase... prices go up from there:
Shop by CFM
Shop By CFM superstore. Huge selection of Shop By Cubic Feet Per Minutes. Buy Air Compressor CFM Direct and save.
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I like a clean car as much as the next car guy or collector. Clean can indicate a well maintained car. What I have a problem with is the notion that a dealer or a flipper can spend $300-$500 or whatever the going rate is for a dry ice under body cleaning that adds nearly zero to the car (other than looks - that will disappear in due time if the car is driven) and then get a higher bid/sale price. Dry ice under-body cleaning does not return old rubber bushings magically to new, does not make rubber brake lines magically new, does not make the rear diff fluid magically fresh fluid. It's akin to make-up on a face - sure looks good but doesn't have any impact on age lines or skin blemishes. In fact, it may do a disservice if the dry ice cleaning removes any slow leak signs from the diff, axle boots, fuel lines, tranny, engine. The bidder/buyer thinks the car is pristine with no leaks until.....
I would specifically reduce my bid or buy price if a dealer or flipper did this to a car just before the sale! I don't ooh and ahh just because.
Would I do this to my car for show purposes or to make me feel better about my car? Yes! Would I do this to deceive a potential buyer? No! Not a fan.
I would specifically reduce my bid or buy price if a dealer or flipper did this to a car just before the sale! I don't ooh and ahh just because.
Would I do this to my car for show purposes or to make me feel better about my car? Yes! Would I do this to deceive a potential buyer? No! Not a fan.
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A portable gas compressor rental would not be that bad. Probably about $100.00 per day or less plus drop off and pickup fees. I think that would get you a pretty high pressure rig. There are 100s of construction equipment rental companies out there with a lot of equipment just setting.That's crazy high air consumption. Looks like a 15hp+ industrial compressor is needed, likely either 3-phase or even gas powered, just to hit the minimum 50cfm. I found some that met the minimum requirements, ~$5k, 3-phase... prices go up from there:
Shop by CFM
Shop By CFM superstore. Huge selection of Shop By Cubic Feet Per Minutes. Buy Air Compressor CFM Direct and save.
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If there were a place here in Northern California, I would avail myself of this service in a heartbeat......
Guilty as charged. Risk / Reward on this activity for DIY w/ /jack stands, gasoline, respirator, etc. is unattractive.You guys are all a bunch of wusses.
Jack your car up and get under there with brushes, rags and mineral spirits like I did.
Results are the same and you have the satisfaction of DIY!
One caution - once you get it clean, you have to keep it clean.....
I've done this with two of my cars so far. I have trashed a hamper full of clothes in the process. Having a lift makes it possible. I use a spray bottle of Purple Power, a collection of brushes, and a spray bottle of water for rinse. The two most driving reasons I engage in this punishment are it makes the process of maintenance much more enjoyable and it allows MUCH easier identification of leaks.
drew
drew
Oh no, never gasoline.
Low odor mineral spirits and this Dawn Degreaser is amazing.
Low odor mineral spirits and this Dawn Degreaser is amazing.
i have found that not much seems to make a difference against years of baked on cosmoline other than the strongest of solvents?
Any comments on Dawn Degreaser vs Spray Nine...? IIRC, Blue Ridge uses the latter. (?)(
For me, while this process looks soothing, I do not see any value to it. Cars are an "expandable material", meant to be driven. They will get dirty, and that's fine. If the underside is really dirty due to operating conditions, and, say, that dirt aids corrosion - then yes, I'd go for this process. Otherwise, simple pressure wash of the undercarriage once in a while will do. Again, I'm talking about myself. Nothing gives me more pleasure than putting MORE - not less - miles on my car.
I shall add, if I had am immaculate, low miler E60, I'd, with respect and admiration, daily drive it like a regular car, with out any regrets. My commute is 2k miles/month
I shall add, if I had am immaculate, low miler E60, I'd, with respect and admiration, daily drive it like a regular car, with out any regrets. My commute is 2k miles/month
This is definitely not for a typical daily-driver car, or any car driven in inclement weather. But for collector/show cars, and/or folks who live in dry temperate climates (coughCAcough), it's a less intrusive method to clean underneath without damaging either paint or other items sensitive to solvents/degreasers. Not to mention far less labor intensive vs the toothbrush and Spray Dawn Nine.
I'd daily drive the hell out those too
I think some Proposition in CA should have already banned this? I mean, if not, I’m utterly shocked (since they turned over the methane emitted from cows use case already) and we should turn the authorities on to this as it will contribute to the greenhouse effect.This is definitely not for a typical daily-driver car, or any car driven in inclement weather. But for collector/show cars, and/or folks who live in dry temperate climates (coughCAcough), it's a less intrusive method to clean underneath without damaging either paint or other items sensitive to solvents/degreasers. Not to mention far less labor intensive vs the toothbrush and Spray Dawn Nine.
Robert
That would be to simple and not fun. They'll come with a proposition that mandates dry ice cleaning to be powered by 100% renewable electricity or risk facing a steep fine. Thus making this service even more expensive, and out of reach for middle class. I think that'd be inline with the California way
Agree. Not many products that don't have a hazard triangle on the bottle will touch the stuff.
drew
If Jonnie Cochran would have had you present the whole trial would have been over much sooner.
drew
Shut up! We have enough restrictions.
Exactly my point. You'll drop nearly as much for a compressor, *if* you have the juice to run it.That's crazy high air consumption. Looks like a 15hp+ industrial compressor is needed, likely either 3-phase or even gas powered, just to hit the minimum 50cfm. I found some that met the minimum requirements, ~$5k, 3-phase... prices go up from there:
Shop by CFM
Shop By CFM superstore. Huge selection of Shop By Cubic Feet Per Minutes. Buy Air Compressor CFM Direct and save.
Dan
Good thing there is 3-phase within sight of my shop. Hmmm, wonder if they will let me have 480v or only 208v... LOL...
The distribution feeder is probably 11.7kV, so it really doesn't matter. However, if you're considered to be in a residential area, the surcharge that most utilities apply for three phase service is pretty steep. Someone has to pay for those transformers...Good thing there is 3-phase within sight of my shop. Hmmm, wonder if they will let me have 480v or only 208v... LOL...
I know... that would be the down side. My neighbor 1 lot away has a shop with 3-phase, and there's a power pole with 3 transformers on it, 150' away from my shop corner. Still would be spendy to bring that over the lot in between and add the new panel.
I recently learned that 3 phase is relatively common in heavy Ag areas. I hadn't really given it much thought, I guess.
There is zero availability in my local area, but the PowerCo is pretty darn generous with handing out bigger Resi services. I have 2 400A services and could probably get another without too much trouble or cost. And converters aren't terribly expensive.
There is zero availability in my local area, but the PowerCo is pretty darn generous with handing out bigger Resi services. I have 2 400A services and could probably get another without too much trouble or cost. And converters aren't terribly expensive.
One for the Resi, which was built by the previous owner as 100% electric, no propane. We've since switched much over to LP. The other is for the outbuildings. There's so much supply here. Totally unreliable due to overhead service, of course.
There are 70 datacenters about 15 miles east of me. And at least that many more planned. They're hungry beasts. The upside is plentiful juice for us taxpaying-suckers.
There are 70 datacenters about 15 miles east of me. And at least that many more planned. They're hungry beasts. The upside is plentiful juice for us taxpaying-suckers.
I was reading about the company who does the dry ice cleaning and realized they're about 15 minutes away from where we're visiting this week in Newport Beach! I sent them a message and left a voicemail requesting the price to clean the undercarriage on our SEC. No response yet.
"Cleaning A Classic Car With Dry Ice Is Actually A Thing • Petrolicious" Cleaning A Classic Car With Dry Ice Is Actually A Thing
I had a single 400A service in my "Momolith" (4,000 sf house) in Indiana. Just for grins I checked with our utility and found I could get an additional 400A service or a single 800A service if I wanted it. I had all kinds of woodworking equipment in my basement shop and when turning on a big 240V machine, like my 16" planer, the lights wouldn't even flicker. Loved it.You have two 400A services? On the same building, or one residence / one shop?
Dan
