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Electric car impact on fuel availabilty and pricing in future(?)
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Here's one of the very few chargers in my area that's located at a grocery store. There are two spots and they're always empty.
I circled the reason in red.
Regardless of the cost for the juice, nobody is going to go through the trouble of hooking up for the pathetic charge rate of 8kw. It's just not worth it, IMO. If you're in the store for 45 minutes, you're gonna get 6kwh of juice. Which is around 20 miles of range.
The chargers do have large video screens which spew forth adverts to passersby... likely the only reason they exist in the first place.
I circled the reason in red.
Regardless of the cost for the juice, nobody is going to go through the trouble of hooking up for the pathetic charge rate of 8kw. It's just not worth it, IMO. If you're in the store for 45 minutes, you're gonna get 6kwh of juice. Which is around 20 miles of range.
The chargers do have large video screens which spew forth adverts to passersby... likely the only reason they exist in the first place.
There are many here too, mostly Teslas as well. There are two charging stations at a restaurant I like to frequent. I have never seen one being used. I really like the exterior styling of the Teslas. I'm with you (Terry) on the interiors. That's nearly where my appreciation ends. I very much like the performance however no one driving these things ever shows me that performance. I suspect they are all too worried about making it home.
Of course, the whole idea is to conserve so I find that topic somewhat ironic.
Of course, the whole idea is to conserve so I find that topic somewhat ironic.
Took my wife's car on errands today. Stopped at Electrify America station to charge. Their service is "free" to me.
Per usual, had to try to try my luck at more than one pump. Connected to the third one I tried. This sucks. And adds to the time and frustration of the process.
But there was one upside... the pump was overclocking at 153kw for a bit and held steady at the advertised 150kw for all but the final 10% of charge.
As you can see, that correlates to 400 miles of range per hour of charging, which is very good.
The VW ID4 next to me was stuck around 100kw for his entire charge.
Per usual, had to try to try my luck at more than one pump. Connected to the third one I tried. This sucks. And adds to the time and frustration of the process.
But there was one upside... the pump was overclocking at 153kw for a bit and held steady at the advertised 150kw for all but the final 10% of charge.
As you can see, that correlates to 400 miles of range per hour of charging, which is very good.
The VW ID4 next to me was stuck around 100kw for his entire charge.
It's actually a very useful display of metrics.401 MPH? Can you adjust the display to read in Mach? That would be Mach 0.523... is this beyond Ludicrous and Plaid?
Talk about a confusing readout. I assume it means 1 hour of charging will result in an estimated 401 miles of range. (?)
This is the charging screen. The rate is being expressed in terms of juice (kw) being onboarded and range being added (mph).
Then it's telling you the estimate of how much time to reach your charge goal. In this instance, I was going to 80% which is the suggested max charge for battery life.
The battery % and battery range aren't very helpful, unless you've got a destination, rather than daily around town driving.
Yup! MPH charge speed is just rate [kW] * consumption [mi/kWh]. 1000MPH is possible in many EVs today with 250kW+ and >4mi/kWh.
I'm sorry you had to deal w EA - it's such an annoyingly poor network with so much potential. VW seems to not have enough incentive to get their act together on it. It's also hilarious to me that they tout it as some amazing act of benevolence that they built it - they were forced to by the gov't because of DieselGate! It's like saying you're a saint for doing court mandated community service after a DUI. Those grocery store chargers ought to be >25 kW or not there at all.
Who knows what will come of the new charging infrastructure in the IRA but at least there are some sensible provisions and milestones in there (>97% uptime) but they'd do well to get off their ass and mandate a charge port (CCS) and communications protocol. Tesla saw a gap and just defined their own standard and built their own network which has worked quite well for them. It's also worth noting that they currently have a higher market share and gross margin than anyone this side of Porsche which seems to be contributing to other OEMs diving head first into this space.
I'm sorry you had to deal w EA - it's such an annoyingly poor network with so much potential. VW seems to not have enough incentive to get their act together on it. It's also hilarious to me that they tout it as some amazing act of benevolence that they built it - they were forced to by the gov't because of DieselGate! It's like saying you're a saint for doing court mandated community service after a DUI. Those grocery store chargers ought to be >25 kW or not there at all.
Who knows what will come of the new charging infrastructure in the IRA but at least there are some sensible provisions and milestones in there (>97% uptime) but they'd do well to get off their ass and mandate a charge port (CCS) and communications protocol. Tesla saw a gap and just defined their own standard and built their own network which has worked quite well for them. It's also worth noting that they currently have a higher market share and gross margin than anyone this side of Porsche which seems to be contributing to other OEMs diving head first into this space.
It may be a very useful metric, but calling it "MPH" was a colossally stupid decision. (flame suit on)
MPH = vehicle speed. Using "MPH" to mean something else is ludicrous. Maybe Plaid. Or just Ludacris.
All these pocket-protector engineers couldn't come up with ANYTHING better? Srsly?
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Don't get me started on the idiotic semantics of dimensions that are moving into EV land now. Why tf would the US use kWh for pack size (an SI unit) but then stay w mi for distance. It's like measuring torque in N-in or oz-m. Every time you mix unit standards, an angel loses its wings.
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Speaking of unit measurements, from this side of the pond it is bizarre that USA still uses imperial measurements
Yep. It has 100k miles too!
I'm not sure what she is on about in that video didn't watch it all but metric is definitely easier to qoute.
I am a Design Manager so I deal with critical dimensions every day and it is much better to be able to quote say 30 window sizes (call it 3120 x 2100mm as one example) than start into imperial stuff.
It is also hard for someone to mess up a dimension that is as clear in mm VS imperial with fractions etc.
I guess it's what you are used to also.
I'd prefer an indication of electrical charging time/rate/quantity, not a unit that has meant vehicle speed for the past century. C'mon, "mph" for charging quantity? that's just stupid.
We use a mix of Imperial and Metric measurements because it is easier to say “POUR SOME FIFTY CAL DOWNRANGE!” rather than say, in some quasi-commie elitist and effete way, “We need to shoot the twelve-point-seven millimeter gun at the target….”
Booyah!
When the government pries the keys to your last ICE vehicle from your cold, dead hands, it'll make sense. I promise.
Speed limits in mph?
Road speed limits in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
Body weights in stones?
Stone (unit) - Wikipedia
Right. They should have used something like miles added per hour.
Next up: expressing a tire's circumference in RPM, Revolutions per Mile
EDIT: I think I've got this one solved... the tire RPM shall henceforth be called "TGRTMT/5280" which is obviously short for Tire Goes Round This Many Times per 5280 feet. Soooooo much simpler and confusion-free.
EDIT: I think I've got this one solved... the tire RPM shall henceforth be called "TGRTMT/5280" which is obviously short for Tire Goes Round This Many Times per 5280 feet. Soooooo much simpler and confusion-free.
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EXACTLY. Change the unit to anything else.
Nopity nope nope. Tyre revs (RPM or otherwise) are not displayed on the instrument cluster.
C'mon, dude, I'd think you would expect better from your $$$$$ shiny new EV, not making excuses for their incompetent UI design.
It could be worse. If you live in Singapore / Malaysia / Hong Kong / or anywhere in SE Asia with a heavy mix of Southern Chinese diaspora and a legacy of British rule, you would have to deal with three systems!Speed limits in mph?
Road speed limits in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Body weights in stones?
Stone (unit) - Wikipedia
The above picture is a scale (like at a butcher shop). Red is metric, Blue is Imperial, and Green is traditional Southern Chinese (not those blasted Mandarin speaking Northerners
) system.The rows read -
1 KG = 1000 grams = 2.2 lbs = 26.5 taels
1 Catty = 605 grams = 16 taels. Each tael = 38 grams
1 lbs = 454 grams = 16 ounces. Each ounce = 26 grams.
Take it up with Elon
When charging, the vehicle isn't in motion, so that MPH isn't relevant.
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To be fair, contextually in that Tesla UI, “mi/hr”makes sense. “mi/hr” has no precedence of having ever been used to denote speed. Using “mph” is very confusing though because there is a long and established precedence of using “mph” to denote speed.
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Yes. Those two figures look different to my eyes. I thought it was very clever of Tesla to use “mi/hr” rather than “mph”.
Without artificial noise in the cabin, owners will complain relentlessly about cabin rattles and buzzes and creaks. And demand costly and (largely) ineffective interior tear downs at the dealer searching for every little sound.
TSLA will now charge up to two hours of shop labor to diagnose and will only waive the fee if it's determined to be an actual bad part or defect. Interior noises are not covered by warranty, according to them.
The world of cars is changing.
TSLA will now charge up to two hours of shop labor to diagnose and will only waive the fee if it's determined to be an actual bad part or defect. Interior noises are not covered by warranty, according to them.
The world of cars is changing.
Kinda sounds like a Star Wars speeder. They should license all those sounds from Lucasfilm and let you pick your favorite.
Hans Zimmer created the sounds for the BMW i4 and iX.
And yes, the car really does shake in launch mode.
My wife's car make a v8 electro burble. Every bit as loud as my old E63. From the outside. In the cabin, it's very quiet. Especially with acoustic glass.
Wow. That's certainly a change in the way "quality" might be perceived!
I wonder if this will result in a slightly modified version of "luxury" ...... that is, "luxury" is not just gadgets and modes and capacitive touch and movie-sound-effects but ....... something built to such a high standard that there are no cabin rattles and buzzes and creaks?
Hmmmmmm ...... that might be a novel concept.
@Glen, Did you buy Canoli,s Fiat 500?
LOL, nope. He has the larger gas version. Mine is full electric.
It’s no secret that older electric and hybrid vehicles can suffer battery degradation, which will oftentimes lead to a costly battery replacement that approaches or exceeds the residual value of the vehicle itself. This unfortunately appears to be the case with the first-generation Chevy Volt, as a Twitter user pointed out in a now-viral post that has generated nearly 15,000 likes on the social media platform.
The Twitter post shows a repair estimate for the replacement of a 2012 Chevy Volt battery pack at Roger Dean Chevrolet in Cape Coral, Florida. The invoice lists the price of the battery pack at $26,853.99, plus some additional expenses for labor, battery coolant, shop supplies and required state fees. The total quoted price of this repair with tax would be $29,842 – just a couple thousand dollars less than a brand new 2022 Chevy Bolt EV.
The 2012 Chevy Volt was sold with an eight-year, 100,000-mile warranty, which means this particular vehicle had an expired warranty when the shop provided this repair estimate on August 23rd, 2022. Unfortunately, it was well under the mileage limit for this warranty despite its age, with the odometer showing just 70,489 miles. It’s worth pointing out that we do not know why this vehicle required a battery pack replacement, so it could be related to a manufacturing defect, or it may be the result of physical damage or misuse.
An article written by Autoblog in 2014 appears to back up this Twitter user’s claims. The publication called a Chevy dealership in Los Angeles to inquire about Volt battery replacement costs and was told these repairs could range from $3,400 on the low end for simple repairs to around $34,000 for an entire module replacement.
A recent article published by Kelley Blue Book listed the second-generation Chevy Volt as one of the best used hybrid vehicles and noted that second-hand plug-ins may be enticing at the moment due to high gas prices. This viral Twitter post serves as a good reminder for consumers to ensure used hybrids and EVs they’re looking at do not have degraded, damaged or high-mileage battery packs, as repair work on battery components can outweigh savings on fuel costs.
At $29K for a battery replacement they should all end up in the junk yard
Well. That doesn't sound very "green", now does it.At $29K for a battery replacement they should all end up in the junk yard
No government incentive forced or made Tesla successful. They are selling every car they can make just like the Lexus LS400 took the luxury market by storm back in the day. Why did Ford have to create a 2nd Ford F150 Lightning factory? Why are they selling every unit they can make? Because they are great products and tree-hugging has very little to do with it. Yes, a certain percentage of the market evangelists are woke tree-huggers but I don't believe that is the dominant demographic of F150 Lightning owners or Tesla owners for that matter.
If you set aside the politics, and take a view as car-enthusiasts there are some very good BEVs on the market that have plenty of advantages over an ICE vehicle. People are voting with their dollars and will continue to do so.
If you set aside the politics, and take a view as car-enthusiasts there are some very good BEVs on the market that have plenty of advantages over an ICE vehicle. People are voting with their dollars and will continue to do so.
Hmm .......
Elon Musk said he prefers to stay out of politics – his lobbying efforts, campaign donations and tweets say otherwise
Elon Musk and his companies have long sought to shape the political and policy landscape with lobbying and campaign contributions.
What he forgets to mention is that his minimum charge is at least a monkey and it'll cost you an extra score to get it shipped sooner.
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Unlikely…
With California’s ban on sale of ICE cars by 2035 and other states adopting it, manufacturers are speeding up investments.
Secondly, consumers like new EVs… I will keep driving my w124 till the last drop of oil is available to us but not buying another ICE car ever again….
Distribution is going to be a problem and so will consumption. They won't. Even if you take a place like buccees with 60 gas pumps and replace them with high speed chargers, there'll be gridlock for a miles due to the 45 minute charge time. It makes sense now only because they represent 3% of the total # of cars.
I tend to look at the world through rose colored glasses. Here in California, suburbanites will mostly charge at home because it's the most convenient way. Also, by 2035 the majority of suburbanites will have PV systems on their roofs so charging will be very inexpensive. So, congestion at charging stations may not be too bad after all.
I also expect that by then we will have large battery storage systems all across the state that will be charged during off peak hours to fill in during peak times. In addition, cars will have vehicle to grid capability so brownouts will be less likely.
I also expect that by then we will have large battery storage systems all across the state that will be charged during off peak hours to fill in during peak times. In addition, cars will have vehicle to grid capability so brownouts will be less likely.
I'm sure these children "mining" Cobalt in the Congo are just over-the-moon with California going "green."
There's no question in my mind that if any of this was happening closer to home, we'd be pursuing a different path.
Batteries aren't the answer, IMO.
There's no question in my mind that if any of this was happening closer to home, we'd be pursuing a different path.
Batteries aren't the answer, IMO.
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