Air Intake Hoses

[superstar]

I want to change the air intake hoses, however the original ones are made of a degradable materials and do not last that long specially in hot climates.
Anyone knows a perfect match from other Benz that can be retrofit in the 036 perfectly?

I found this image online ,and i was wondering what is the part # for it ?


Thanks

 

[gsxr]

The newer style are different than original, with a shorter foam tube. Photo below. I'd just get those... if you want the all-plastic type, there are no direct fit parts, you have to cut them to fit. I don't have the part number handy, I may be able to dig it up though.

 

[superstar]

The newer style are different than original, with a shorter foam tube. Photo below. I'd just get those... if you want the all-plastic type, there are no direct fit parts, you have to cut them to fit. I don't have the part number handy, I may be able to dig it up though.

I would not mind cutting a few inches of the plastic to get them in. I think the above intake hoses out of the R129 SL

 

[superstar]

Or maybe something flexible like this one?

 

[gsxr]

Pretty sure I've seen both types used. I'll see if I can dig up the part numbers tonight. One of my 500E's has the all-plastic tubes, maybe a part number is still visible on 'em!

 

[Christian_K]

Yeahh its annoying. My intake tubes are bought new in 2011 and the car was only driven like 1000km from then. Still they look not anywhere near as good/smooth on the soft part as when new.

 

[samiam44]

How about just replacing the foam part. Surely you can find a connector. Maybe a intercooler pipe connector. Glue with something good.
maybe just a rubber or silicone bellows. Maybe some flexible silicone tubing. Lots of options in the non oe orld.

Just takes a bit of effort to make a good look.

 

[superstar]

Yeahh its annoying. My intake tubes are bought new in 2011 and the car was only driven like 1000km from then. Still they look not anywhere near as good/smooth on the soft part as when new.

My car is daily driven, and I have replaced three sets in the last 5 years! These foam tubs wear up pretty fast.

 

[superstar]

How about just replacing the foam part. Surely you can find a connector. Maybe a intercooler pipe connector. Glue with something good.
maybe just a rubber or silicone bellows. Maybe some flexible silicone tubing. Lots of options in the non oe orld.

Just takes a bit of effort to make a good look.

I do not think I need to cut and glue anything on the old foam set. Perhaps, there is a straight forward plastic set will fit in with minimum efforts. Gotta wait tell GSXR confirms the part #

 

[TerryA]

Just go and get OEM parts. They are the new style with combo foam and plastic. I have had a set for about 9 years now and they still look brand new. No cutting / perfect fit and look correct. Why waste the time?

Probably under $80.00 although I haven't priced them lately. I paid around $60.00.

 

[mwaldron]

If memory serves me correctly G Man did a pretty thorough group of threads with P/N's back in the day, I just searched and couldn't find it, maybe someone with greater skills then I could resurrect it.

mw

 

[gsxr]

OK, so I may have lied. There are two alternate tubes which will work... one which requires cutting, another which does not. My old E420 had the cut-to-fit type, I don't have the part number, but I believe those were used on the late R129.

The number which appears to be a direct fit is 117-094-03-82, as seen in photo #4 above. I have these on my '93 500E. $15.50 USD each, MSRP.

 

[superstar]

OK, so I may have lied. There are two alternate tubes which will work... one which requires cutting, another which does not. My old E420 had the cut-to-fit type, I don't have the part number, but I believe those were used on the late R129.

The number which appears to be a direct fit is 117-094-03-82, as seen in photo #4 above. I have these on my '93 500E. $15.50 USD each, MSRP.

Most likely, I would go with the direct fit ones. I would appreciate it if you post some pictures of them installed in your 93 500E.

 

[gsxr]

Here you go! Air tubes, part number 117-094-03-82 installed on a 500E:

 

[nocfn]

those are two of the right side m117 snorkels correct?

 

[gerryvz]

Here you go!

those are two of the right side m117 snorkels correct?

Correct - it's the passenger side tube as used in the 560SEL/SEC.

My SEC's tube cracked a few years ago and I think a new one cost around $8 or $9 list price. Probably has gone up moderately since then.

I do recall that an R129 tube is usable as well, and I think a couple of other folks have "adapted" plastic tubes from other MB applications to the M119 as used in the W124.

 

[superstar]

Here you go!

Perfect!

 

[MRV]

Wow did I just pay too much for my two air intake hoses! But they look good!

 

[gerryvz]

Wow did I just pay too much for my two air intake hoses! But they look good!

I believe there's a HOW-TO article on intake tube replacement. Also -- new tubes have been shown to be a known aphrodisiac.

 

[7delta]

My SEC's tube cracked a few years ago and I think a new one cost around $8 or $9 list price. Probably has gone up moderately since then.

I recently purchased the driver side 117 intake tube...$~26...IIRC passenger was $14-$15. From autohaus az.

 

[superstar]

Nothing gets cheaper these days!

I recently purchased the driver side 117 intake tube...$~26...IIRC passenger was $14-$15. From autohaus az.

I have recently noticed so many vintage spare parts prices keep rising up ridiculously. Now, as a daily driver of the 036, this thing is costing high to maintain, but worth every penny of the joy I get driving this over engineered peace of machine, maybe is the time for me to get a small ricer for a daily commuter, and keep this beast relaxed a bit as a cruiser?

 

[7delta]

Ahh.the good 'ol law of supply vs demand and the economics of manufacturing... mass production vs limited production. I'm not sure I'd personally go the ricer route. If I had an 036 ( someday I will) I wouldnt drive it daily. To me the risk of an accident are too high for such an awesome and rare car. I drive by accidents on I-85 almost daily. But that's just my opinion.

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[gerryvz]

If I had an accident or my E500 was otherwise incapacitated/destroyed, I'd just part it out and go buy another one. Sure I'd be bummed for a little while, but I'd just go buy a nicer one than the one I had. Easy peasy. They're not THAT rare or difficult to find.

Same thing with my SEC.

After all, it's just a car. Not nearly as precious as something like a human life. Cars are made to be enjoyed and driven.

 

[7delta]

If I had an accident or my E500 was otherwise incapacitated/destroyed, I'd just part it out and go buy another one. Sure I'd be bummed for a little while, but I'd just go buy a nicer one than the one I had. Easy peasy. They're not THAT rare or difficult to find.

Same thing with my SEC.

After all, it's just a car. Not nearly as precious as something like a human life. Cars are made to be enjoyed and driven.

I agree. I just have a long commute and see plenty of distracted drivers and the ending results. The .036 are not super rare, but rare none the less, and as time goes on fewer and fewer good examples will be around. And most definitely to be driven and enjoyed... to the FULLEST[emoji1] !

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[lowman]

Wow did I just pay too much for my two air intake hoses! But they look good!

well..the original ones dooooo look soo much better than the full on plastic ones ,so in my world..worth the price any day

 

[Jelmer]

Wow did I just pay too much for my two air intake hoses! But they look good!

Next up: coolant reservoir. And before you know it, you find yourself tracing the "MERCEDES BENZ" letters with light gray ink.

 

[om602fan]

Can anyone of you dear members please confirm which ones are original please. Shorter tubes or the longer ones? I see both types all the time. I've got the longer pipes in mine and they need changing so I wanted to know which ones are correct. Car is prelift from 1993. Thanks.

 

[Jlaa]

The first picture is original to my car (also a 1993), but is no longer available. You can replace it with the newer kind, which is shown in post 4.
I have included pictures below of my original tubes (pre facelift) as well as the newer-style replacements, back when I did this in 2016, before I replaced the coolant tank.

 

[gsxr]

The "long" ones were original on all models, but are no longer availble new. You can only buy the "short" ones now.

 

[EngineerSam]

W126 hoses basically fit right. That what I have.

 

[LWB250]

@gsxr pointed me at RM European for the best deal on the current zoom tubes, as @gerryvz called them.



Dan

 

[gerryvz]

"Zoom tube" was originally the name used by one of my fraternity brothers in college for his beer bong, which had a very large funnel, and a very large diameter tube. It just seemed a fitting named for the air intake tubes for the M119, as well.

 

[ChrisH]

well..the original ones dooooo look soo much better than the full on plastic ones ,so in my world..worth the price any day

 

[ChrisH]

I think the sonic resonance and acoustics of the OEM tubes would be superior to the plastic tubes, but this E 420 is my quiet cruiser ! Especially when compared to my '34 Chevy 5 window hiboy coupe with a 454ci big block with 4" pipes!

 

[500AMM]

The air intake hoses are NLA but they should be easily repairable IMO. As a start I dismantled one tonight to see what it actually consist of, and to my surprise - this is really simple stuff!

After prying off the bend, you will see that both end terminations are equal. The end terminations are threaded onto the core spring so you simply unscrew them, it’s no glue between the foam tube and the end terminations so they come off fairly easy. The foam tube is actually a square piece of foam pad with a glued seam. It measures approximately 275x180 mm and 10 mm thickness.

The dia. on the core spring is 74 mm and it has to be reused. The mesh is some kind of plastic fibre material glued onto the spring. I guess various materials can be used for that, but it has to be flexible so it stretch and twist along with the spring movement. It’s important to have the mesh there in case the foam tube start disintegrating over time. I will now start looking for the foam pad material and a suitable mesh.









To the Admins: I didn’t find any HOW-TO about the intake tubes so I posted in this thread for now. When I find proper materials and continue this refurbishment, I'll post a new thread in the HOW-TO sub-forum.

 

[tewfiks]

I may be stating the obvious, but these air intake tubes are no longer available (part 119-090-14-82). Does anyone have an extra set or two that they would part with? Or a lead on a set?

 

[gerryvz]

I have a set of late production new ones that I purchased as part of the final production batch. But …. $5,000 for the set.

Unfortunately I recently sold my used original set to a forum member. I couldn’t get $5,000 because they were used but in decent condition.

 

[gsxr]

I may be stating the obvious, but these air intake tubes are no longer available (part 119-090-14-82). Does anyone have an extra set or two that they would part with? Or a lead on a set?

See post #12 above.

 

[tewfiks]

Many thanks. I will order and see how they fit on my E420. The E500 ones are still in good shape

 

[nocfn]

perfect places to install turbo!

Looks like the W126 Snorkle for the left side is available after being NLA for a decade.

for the record if you are using 400/420 E500E and you want W126 snorkle to fit, you must buy the proper one and that is
PN 1170940382. It is about $17 before tax and shipping and this is the proper fitting one on the W124.

(the M117 improved its airflow for later models by including a left side snorkle to the airbox. The left side snorkle WILL NOT FIT the W124 as the ends are of different shape and size at the firewall for that piece. The proper PN is posted for the "right" side of the car, 2 required for the W124.)

 

[Kridre]

Kurthclassic made a kit to repair the intake hoses.

Mercedes W124 500E Air Duct Repair Hose (for A1190901482)

With us you get everything you need for a successful repair of your Mercedes classic

kurth-classics-autoparts.de

 

[TimL]

#KurthClassicsfortheWin!

 

[mrindiafromuk]

I watched this 2 part video on YouTube presented by the person who actually project managed the production of the 500E. With the co presenter who was in charge of prototyping the modifications to make the 500E, they talked a lot about the design challenges. They called out the air intake tubes as a design challenge. They had to make it the design they did with the soft material so they could reduce the sound of the air in take. So I guess using other replacement alternatives does take away from the purpose of the original . I read the details of the Air duct replacement and it seems they have kept the design with sound reduction in mind. So it looks like the right way to go. Here is the video I watched. I had to read the subtitles, but it is fascinating how much design the Porsche team did on this car. Part 1

Part 2

 

[mrindiafromuk]

Kurthclassic made a kit to repair the intake hoses.

Mercedes W124 500E Air Duct Repair Hose (for A1190901482)

With us you get everything you need for a successful repair of your Mercedes classic

kurth-classics-autoparts.de

thanks this is the way to go

 

[gsxr]

My ears must not be sensitive enough... I can't tell the difference between the foam tubes, and solid plastic as seen in post #14.

Also, I suspect some people (myself included) wouldn't mind a little intake noise at full honk.

 

[Markus-MD]

My Ears are old and my wife say are not good and bla bla bla .I dont hear she mayba somtimes not godd.
But i fitted the Tubes from 117 Engine. and i mean that differnt wide from the Factory setup.
The sound is more sopfisticad and crispy.agressive but not to loud.3 or 4th gear with flat out mean is othters.
Fairness is i have fitted an Stainless Exhaust with Dual Pipes from the Headers .No X pipe. .X is in the Middel Muffler and goes
when warm realy good Bass. no intrusive with normal idele speed.
i am Happy with this setup