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I'm aiming to Buy this AMG E60 just need help

Richard E60

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Hi people, I am aiming to buy this E60 AMG but i'm not sure if it's real or not, the carpets say "limited" on them also. the vin is WDB1240361C003881. it has just 77k km's and its graded a 4 out of 5 for the exterior which on a car this old is awesome. i need info quickly as it's going to auction tomorrow night wednesday the 29th
Thanks for your help.
Richard.

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As far as I can see it's got the 957 code which is the E60 Amg code.

Hi doolar thanks for the quick reply, does that mean it's a factory AMG car or a 500E that was customized afterwards for a customer? I'm new to this AMG world, always been a BMW man. also where is this 957 code?
 
I see many items that are not original, so the car has been upgraded/modded to a certain degree (floor mats being one of them). Does appear as Tom has said, to be a E60
 
You'd think if you were going to spend the money to have someone custom-stitch your floor mats, you'd at least find a set that FITS correctly. The seats are not original, I'd like to see some more photos of those. Also, it looks like maybe an AUX port or something has been installed IN the airbag! I'd be concerned about that.

All of those things aside though, it looks great, even with those lackluster wheels.
 
You'd think if you were going to spend the money to have someone custom-stitch your floor mats, you'd at least find a set that FITS correctly. The seats are not original, I'd like to see some more photos of those. Also, it looks like maybe an AUX port or something has been installed IN the airbag! I'd be concerned about that.

All of those things aside though, it looks great, even with those lackluster wheels.

Thanks for the feedback. Was there only one seat available? It's a pretty big deal not to have original seats. This is why I joined up to the forum otherwise id be bidding for a car that might not be the real deal. Anything else not right?
 
That is a genuine E60 AMG (code 957) but it has been modified significantly. The AMG Gen2 body kit was not original equipment and was never intended for use on the 036 chassis, the bumpers and side skirts have to be "stretched" to fit the fender flares. I've seen a few 036's with body kits, but it's pretty rare. I personally like the look, but it's not technically correct and won't help future resale value. Of course the body kit could be removed and the car could be returned to stock again, but OMG, $$$$ to do that. I bet AMG Japan installed the body kit and rear muffler too.

Justin, I noticed the seats as well. Not sure what is going on there, but the leather isn't stock, can't tell if the seats are stock or not. I'm hoping the connector on the passenger airbag is just stuck on the front with the wire routed through the lower seam, I can't imagine anyone actually cutting into the airbag itself.

The car looks really nice, it's a shame they don't post more photos on these JDM auctions!

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That is a genuine E60 AMG (code 957) but it has been modified significantly. The AMG Gen2 body kit was not original equipment and was never intended for use on the 036 chassis, the bumpers and side skirts have to be "stretched" to fit the fender flares. I've seen a few 036's with body kits, but it's pretty rare. I personally like the look, but it's not technically correct and won't help future resale value. Of course the body kit could be removed and the car could be returned to stock again, but OMG, $$$$ to do that. I bet AMG Japan installed the body kit and rear muffler too.

Justin, I noticed the seats as well. Not sure what is going on there, but the leather isn't stock, can't tell if the seats are stock or not. I'm hoping the connector on the passenger airbag is just stuck on the front with the wire routed through the lower seam, I can't imagine anyone actually cutting into the airbag itself.

The car looks really nice, it's a shame they don't post more photos on these JDM auctions!

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I will have more pics tomorrow. I have a guy out there now on the case
 
Should it have an amg steering wheel?
No, at least I don't think so. I believe the original E60 AMG's had the standard E500 steering wheel (Sportline style, with "triangle" airbag).

The steering wheel in this JDM car is from a late 90's Mercedes, another non-original item.

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No, at least I don't think so. I believe the original E60 AMG's had the standard E500 steering wheel (Sportline style, with "triangle" airbag).

The steering wheel in this JDM car is from a late 90's Mercedes, another non-original item.

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Damn there's too many things not adding up here.
 
In my short tenure of trolling the innerwebs looking at these things I have come to the conclusion that "JDM" translates as "nobody knows WTF this thing is because it's mostly a hodgepodge of things that people have pieced together as they found them and even if it started out as what it is currently advertised to be, it has been hacked and modified so extensively that it is now practically a kit car"

Is that basically it, or am I completely daft, or both? Sheesh, it's always the same with these things...
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Damn there's too many things not adding up here.

What you have is a factory E60 car that someone has modified. Its not an issue of "things not adding up", as the VIN clearly indicates the car is a factory built E60. As with many JDM cars, the owners mod them EXTENSIVELY (sometimes not in good taste). So what are you really looking at? A E60 with a factory AMG body kit (modified to fit the 500e) newer style wheels, AMG exhaust, CLK type of steering wheel, wood shift knob, custom floor mats, aftermarket stereo and of course, something out of place with the seats. None of these should be red flag (maybe the seat issue, you should investigate that more) unless of course you wan't a bone stock car.
 
On a serious note, as 2phast stated above, this thing checks out as a "real" E60, and what are your chances of finding another for sale any time soon. Everything that some of us are objecting to is mostly bolt on. If the basics like rust, accident damage, running condition, etc. check out, this could be what you're looking for. They may even have some or all of the original parts, if that's what you want. Is there any way for you to find out?

Best of luck with it!
 
Looks like aftermarket remote key . Don't look like Factory IR key in the ignition , though IR port/sensor is present below trunk lid .

All the usual JDM bits and usual nits , so no surprise there. Hopefully this has helped Richard . Now let's see how much it'll fetch !
 
Looks like aftermarket remote key . Don't look like Factory IR key in the ignition , though IR port/sensor is present below trunk lid .

All the usual JDM bits and usual nits , so no surprise there. Hopefully this has helped Richard . Now let's see how much it'll fvetch !

Thanks so much guys. The starting price is 7000 euro but it'll obviously go a lot more.
 
I was just browsing and found this going tonight also, While i'm not a huge fan of the 190E this is is getting ridiculous lol, an revolution II and it's genuine.
so many nice cars. I wish I was a multi millionaire and just snap all these up without a second thought.

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Ooooh now you're talking! EVO2 very limited in numbers , 500 only made and highly collectable . What's the starting bid on this out of interest ?



Thanks so much guys. The starting price is 7000 euro but it'll obviously go a lot more.

E60s asking prices in Europe are out of this planet right now. The very few on the market are asking €80k+ ! But of course hang around for a while till someone from another planet "money no object" comes along. So, regardless of distasteful mods (for some) and non original looking, which is all reversible anyway , I'm guessing this will go for much less .

Good Luck!
 
You'd think if you were going to spend the money to have someone custom-stitch your floor mats, you'd at least find a set that FITS correctly.

I think those floor mats are meant for a JDM W210 E60 Limited Edition, so not quite fitting a W124. Nice car though.

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How much could one reasonably expect to spend on top of the auction price to get a car like this to the US, smogged and ready to drive? Anyone done this recently? Richard, are you in the US or somewhere else?
 
How much could one reasonably expect to spend on top of the auction price to get a car like this to the US, smogged and ready to drive?
I think Federalization will cost somewhere in the $10k-$20k USD range, on top of the car, auction fees, transport across the pond, customs, tax, title, doc fees, and probably some other stuff. I'm not sure if anyone has come up with an exact number, but there's a reason you don't see many Euro-spec 036's in the USA yet. After 2019, when the 25 year exemption goes into effect, that will probably change.

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I think Federalization will cost somewhere in the $10k-$20k USD range, on top of the car, auction fees, transport across the pond, customs, tax, title, doc fees, and probably some other stuff. I'm not sure if anyone has come up with an exact number, but there's a reason you don't see many Euro-spec 036's in the USA yet. After 2019, when the 25 year exemption goes into effect, that will probably change.

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Don't forget the bond, which is 100% of the value of the car and of course, the fee to convert the car to be compliant with DOT. That conversion does not include EPA conversion either.
 
We should all get together and get a warehouse in Vancouver to "stage" these cars for US entry once the 25 year rule expires...
 
Don't forget the bond, which is 100% of the value of the car and of course, the fee to convert the car to be compliant with DOT. That conversion does not include EPA conversion either.
Thanks, Rik... I knew there was something I was forgetting!

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Ooooh now you're talking! EVO2 very limited in numbers , 500 only made and highly collectable . What's the starting bid on this out of interest ?

Good Luck!

45k Euro is the start price on the 190 EVO, actually 502 built, the last 2 were silver, I read this today. I'd prefer the E60, rarer and bigger, faster etc.
 
How much could one reasonably expect to spend on top of the auction price to get a car like this to the US, smogged and ready to drive? Anyone done this recently? Richard, are you in the US or somewhere else?

I'm in Ireland, I have bought a couple of Porsche 930's one was an 89 5 speed car and I sold them to the USA. Anything newer than 1989 I wouldn't know though
 
I think Federalization will cost somewhere in the $10k-$20k USD range, on top of the car, auction fees, transport across the pond, customs, tax, title, doc fees, and probably some other stuff. I'm not sure if anyone has come up with an exact number, but there's a reason you don't see many Euro-spec 036's in the USA yet. After 2019, when the 25 year exemption goes into effect, that will probably change.
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Wow, thanks for the info! Thats quite a bit more than I would have thought! What exactly changes in 2019?
 
Wow, thanks for the info! Thats quite a bit more than I would have thought! What exactly changes in 2019?
The USA has major restrictions on vehicles newer than 25 years old. Once a vehicle is older than 25 years, it becomes much easier and less expensive to import into USA. Since the first year the E60 was produced was 1994, you should be able to import one 25 years later (2019) with less hassle. Now, as to what is required for vehicles 25+, I'm not sure... probably still a PITA, but cheaper, and I don't think the bond is required (Rik may know).

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45k Euro is the start price on the 190 EVO, actually 502 built, the last 2 were silver, I read this today. I'd prefer the E60, rarer and bigger, faster etc.

Then I'd look for a silver EVO2 ...[emoji14].lol! That's gotta be rarer than an E60 .
 
The USA has major restrictions on vehicles newer than 25 years old. Once a vehicle is older than 25 years, it becomes much easier and less expensive to import into USA. Since the first year the E60 was produced was 1994, you should be able to import one 25 years later (2019) with less hassle. Now, as to what is required for vehicles 25+, I'm not sure... probably still a PITA, but cheaper, and I don't think the bond is required (Rik may know).

:seesaw:

The bond is to ensure compliance with FMVSS standards. Vehicles over 25 years do not have to comply with FMVSS.

If you read further, there is a section about importing a non-compliant vehicle without a motor, easy to do if you remove all the non-compliant parts (you would need to ship the motor/trans in a separate container). I know of people that have done this with JDM Integra Type R's, after they reassemble their vehicles they get them titled as "kit cars", this has been done in Cali and Oregon (that I know of) although I am not fully informed as to the exact process.

95% of the problem is getting the car into the country, if you can swing that, registration/title does not seem to be a road block.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/faq site/pages/page2.html#Anchor-35107
 
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Then I'd look for a silver EVO2 ...[emoji14].lol! That's gotta be rarer than an E60 .

My understanding is that 500 EVOII's were made for public sale, the two silver ones were never offered for sale, they were test cars. One kept by Mercedes and one by AMG. There was rumors a few years back that the Mercedes kept silver EVOII was on display in the museum, but no one has produced any photos of it and it has not been on display in the last few years.
 
My understanding is that 500 EVOII's were made for public sale, the two silver ones were never offered for sale, they were test cars. One kept by Mercedes and one by AMG. There was rumors a few years back that the Mercedes kept silver EVOII was on display in the museum, but no one has produced any photos of it and it has not been on display in the last few years.
I've been to the MB Museum annually every year since 1999, with the exception year being 2008 (when I moved from Portland to Houston).

I've never seen any 190E Evo I or II either in the old or the new MB Museum.

I have seen several of them in person, in Belgium at the van de Velde wrecking yard (both wrecked and running condition) and at Vath.
 
I've been to the MB Museum annually every year since 1999, with the exception year being 2008 (when I moved from Portland to Houston).

I've never seen any 190E Evo I or II either in the old or the new MB Museum.

I have seen several of them in person, in Belgium at the van de Velde wrecking yard (both wrecked and running condition) and at Vath.

I believe it was the mid 90's when this rumor went around.

But I suspect given the size of the facility, a EVO would be easy to miss ;-)

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I don't recognize this location, but then again, I have never visited the museum. Judging by the background and lettering on the walls, I am guessing its the parking garage.

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EVO I in the Young Classics area (wherever that is located) 2010

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THat's the race car gallery on the ground floor. Only hard core race cars and semi-trucks there, no EVOs.

Trust me, I have visited the MB Museum every year since it opened except one. I know it by heart. I have never seen an EVO permanently displayed IN the Museum, although there are rotating displays that come and go perhaps quarterly, so it's possible that an EVO could have been part of a rotating/temporary display perhaps for a couple of three months. But like the E500E, the EVO has NEVER been part of the Museum's permanently displayed collection.

The second photo is indeed the parking garage attached to the MB Museum (not the one across the street), and is actually the same exact display (in glass) where I posted the 190E cabriolet prototype from when I visited the Museum two weeks ago tomorrow (Friday).

I'll be visiting the Museum and MB HQ yet again next on Saturday, November 8th. Right now visiting my parents here in Seattle area (been here since last Saturday) and I have to go home tomorrow before heading off to Europe for 10 days on Saturday afternoon :(

The "Young Classics" area is a display area for cars for sale, not part of the actual Museum exhibits. It is also on the ground floor between the gift shop, and the Niederlassung (company-owned dealership). When I was at the Museum two weeks ago, the Young Classics area was removed so that MB could do a display of the new C-Class technology (cutaway cars, clay models, crash tested cars, etc.).

Cheers,
Gerry
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THat's the race car gallery on the ground floor. Only hard core race cars and semi-trucks there, no EVOs.

Trust me, I have visited the MB Museum every year since it opened except one. I know it by heart. I have never seen an EVO permanently displayed IN the Museum, although there are rotating displays that come and go perhaps quarterly, so it's possible that an EVO could have been part of a rotating/temporary display perhaps for a couple of three months. But like the E500E, the EVO has NEVER been part of the Museum's permanently displayed collection.

The second photo is indeed the parking garage attached to the MB Museum (not the one across the street), and is actually the same exact display (in glass) where I posted the 190E cabriolet prototype from when I visited the Museum two weeks ago tomorrow (Friday).

I'll be visiting the Museum and MB HQ yet again next on Saturday, November 8th. Right now visiting my parents here in Seattle area (been here since last Saturday) and I have to go home tomorrow before heading off to Europe for 10 days on Saturday afternoon :(

The "Young Classics" area is a display area for cars for sale, not part of the actual Museum exhibits. It is also on the ground floor between the gift shop, and the Niederlassung (company-owned dealership). When I was at the Museum two weeks ago, the Young Classics area was removed so that MB could do a display of the new C-Class technology (cutaway cars, clay models, crash tested cars, etc.).

Cheers,
Gerry
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A Evo II is on display in the race car area and it has been there for quite a while, I can't say if its a perm display, but I have pictures of it in that area over a several year period. Klaus Ludwigs race car to be exact.

http://www.sternenkreuzer.net/mercedes-190-2-5-16-in-der-dtm/

The point is the museum has EVO's, regardless of whether or not they are rotating or on perm display. The silver EVO II (if indeed they have it) has never been put on display (or proved to be on display) which could mean it isn't in any shape to be displayed (since it was a "test" vehicle) or they really don't have it. I beat that issue to death a long time ago and to date, no new information has come forth. BUT, if you happen to see it during your visit, do me right and take a picture of it!!!!!!!
 
She went too high for me at 33k euro, after shipping, Duty 10%, and VAT 23%, and then the VRT of 33% of the OMSP it would have been too rich for my blood and my wife would have had my balls off. Think i'll look for a nice 500E or an SEC i did see an sec widebody go through auction lately for really good value actually
 
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She went too high for me at 33k euro, after shipping, Duty 10%, and VAT 23%, and then the VRT of 33% of the OMSP it would have been too rich for my blood and my wife would have had my balls off. Think i'll look for a nice 500E or an SEC i did see an sec widebody go through auction lately for really good value actually

Hello,

Yes, the VAT & import cost is killing the entire show sometimes, just the same here in Morepay too.

The price level on the E60 AMG has increased dramatically over the later 3-4 years. But if you look at the German market (mobile.de) and the wide variaton in the price level - plus the fact that they don't exactly sell overnight but stay for months, I think it's still the buyers market. We've discussed this before and the statement still remain something like this; " It's not sold until it's sold - and to a sales price regardless of whatever asking price - and it's not purchased until it's paid for". Fresh in mind is the two E60 AMG's at the British dealers to an astronomic price, non'stock with modifications, repainted, upholstry changed, various documentation... I don't recall if they ever sold?

Another strange example is the E60 AMG Limited on Mobile.de below here, 407kkm and €65.000?!? :loony:
It doesn't matter how well cared and rare the car is IMO, it is better choices out there. I think it's simply put out to just see what happens.

http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-insera...red=ALSO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=ALSO_EXPORThttp://suchen.mobile.de/auto-insera...red=ALSO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=ALSO_EXPORT
 
A Evo II is on display in the race car area and it has been there for quite a while, I can't say if its a perm display, but I have pictures of it in that area over a several year period. Klaus Ludwigs race car to be exact.

http://www.sternenkreuzer.net/mercedes-190-2-5-16-in-der-dtm/

The point is the museum has EVO's, regardless of whether or not they are rotating or on perm display. The silver EVO II (if indeed they have it) has never been put on display (or proved to be on display) which could mean it isn't in any shape to be displayed (since it was a "test" vehicle) or they really don't have it. I beat that issue to death a long time ago and to date, no new information has come forth. BUT, if you happen to see it during your visit, do me right and take a picture of it!!!!!!!
I will take an EXTENSIVE look in the race car area when I am there next weekend. I know for 100% sure that there is no 190E Evo I or II in the main car display area on the floors, nor in the Young Classics area because there currently is NO Young Classics area based on my visit there about 2 weeks ago today.

Undoubtedly the actual COLLECTION of the Museum is far larger than the cars that they display on the floor; hence the short-term "rotating" displays around current topic areas (right now it's actually the C-Class, coincidentally). I've no doubt they have an .036 or two squirreled away, but I've never seen one displayed in the Museum itself. They do have a C126 and W126 in the permanent display (sitting atop a car carrier) and a 300SEL 6.3 since the Museum opened in 2006.

I will go on a quest to make doubly sure there is no EVO displayed in the race car gallery.

Cheers,
Gerry
 
Hello,


Another strange example is the E60 AMG Limited on Mobile.de below here, 407kkm and €65.000?!? :loony:
It doesn't matter how well cared and rare the car is IMO, it is better choices out there. I think it's simply put out to just see what happens.

http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-insera...red=ALSO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=ALSO_EXPORThttp://suchen.mobile.de/auto-insera...red=ALSO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&export=ALSO_EXPORT

Kinda overpriced :agree: hope it is negotiable :jono:

However, looks like to be in a great shape for the mileage ! and yes ..... it has top choice red limited interior. Majority of ltd cars are grey interior, so red is pretty rare.

I think lots of parts have been replaced, for example brake calipers looks to be brand new . Limited inserts known to be wear out quickly at 70k or so are good here at 405K ....
 

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