Discussion: 400E/E420 subforum

[clarkz71]

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This is a partial thread that was cleaved off of the existing "Found my 400E" thread because it was de-railing the poor owner's original thread. It was turning into a discussion about the sharpening focus of this site on the 500E/E500, and discussion about the future of the 400E-specific and C126 & G-wagen sub-forums on this site.

This thread should serve as a more focused venue to continue that discussion.

Congrats!

But isn't a paint job more than it is worth? Do you plan do drive it as is? Maybe wrap it?

Really ?? It's not a ratty 6 banger. 034's are rare too, only 11K produced over 4 years
compared to over 2,562,143 total 124's produced over 11 years.

How about a 036 that needs paint and the GVZ $5K or more of deferred maintenance?

That's a $10K car that need "at least" $10K to make right........

We need to stop scrapping them and start saving them.

 

[clarkz71]

Re: Found my 400E

Update to M119 powered 124's

World wide:

124.036____10,479

124.034____22,802

So there were 33,281 total V8 124's out of 2.5 million 124's.


http://media.daimler.com/dcmedia/0-921-614781-1-1113121-1-0-0-0-0-0-11702-614318-0-1-0-0-0-0-0.html

 

[gerryvz]

Re: Found my 400E

Tough conundrum.

The unfortunate reality, though, with 034 prices is that even a $5K GVZ DM (deferred maint) figure is basically the same amount that a darn-nice-condition .034 is going to cost. So, it's much less likely that someone is going to front double the money to acquire, and then restore the car.

Contrast that with say, $20K for a "darn-nice-condition" .036 (equivalent to said .034 above), and the $5K (or even a $10K) GVZ DM premium is much more appealing and perhaps, even affordable.

I mean, a $10K "top of the mark" .034 equates out to a $40K "top of the mark" .036......

Not putting anybody or their car down, just stating the reality/facts. I think an $8K 124.034 is probably the best Benz performance/rarity bargain out there today.

If you have a nice .034, and when the market "discovers" these cars someday .... you're going to be sitting on a gold mine. It's going to be a similar thing when the market "discovered" the 190SL when Gullwings got out of reach price-wise for most people. The "little brother" started taking off as a substitute.

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[clarkz71]

Re: Found my 400E

You make good points, but we're not talking a complete restoration by MBCC here.

A $2K paint job and repairs made over time are not unreasonable.

The car has 123K on it. Hardly worn out.

And as long as 034 owners are welcome on this forum, (they are right?)
they all should receive the same respect as any other member.

 

[gerryvz]

400E/E420-Specific Forum Futures on this site

Nobody is disrespecting 400E owners. They are welcome here (after all, we do have .034-specific forums), but MUST keep in mind (as do 126 folks) that the primary and continuing focus of this site is the 124.036. Where information is relevant and sharable, Wunderbar!!

But the focus of this site is the .036. I have always said that perhaps a site (400Eworld.org?) could be started for .034 owners, and if that comes to pass, I would fully support it and even donate this site's .034 forums as a "kernel" to get an .034 site started. That offer is open.

 

[clarkz71]

Re: Found my 400E

We're not going there again, are we?

Service and repair of the 036 and 034 is the same, therefore it doesn't matter what the focus is.

 

[savmjv]

Re: Found my 400E

Screw the future value. I say for $8k, a 124.034 could be one of the nicest and cheapest daily drivers out there. Of course, I say that about an $18k 124.036 as well.

 

[gerryvz]

Re: Found my 400E

We're not going there again, are we?

Service and repair of the 036 and 034 is the same, therefore it doesn't matter what the focus is.

The title of this forum is "500Eboard" not "400Eboard." Last time I checked, at least.

The 400E forums were added far after the point when this forum was first established on November 30, 2008. The predecssor forum, 500Ecstasy, did NOT have 400E specific sub-forums or content.

And, history has shown, that much of the historical "drama" on this site (what there has been), has been engineered by .034 owners, not .036 owners. I am not fingering anyone in particular here, but there is a definite pattern. There is also, clearly, a different demographic of .034 and .036 owners.

 

[clarkz71]

Re: Found my 400E

The title of this forum is "500Eboard" not "400Eboard." Last time I checked, at least.

.

Indeed it is, and this thread is IN the 400E sub forum, last time I checked, at least

 

[gerryvz]

Re: Found my 400E

Indeed it is, and this thread is IN the 400E sub forum, last time I checked, at least

[youtube]hMk63SOkdms[/youtube]

 

[clarkz71]

Re: Found my 400E

Dick Dastardly and Muttley

 

[texas993]

Re: Found my 400E

No disrespect intended with my earlier comment of the paint cost being more than the car. First, I am anal and no matter how cheap the car is, I want to get it to a high standard. A paint job to my standards is multiples more than $2k.

So for ME, I'd rather spend $4k for a good paint, decent condition car than $1500 plus $2k for a, well, a car with a $2k paint job!

As to my comment on wrap... it can be a cheaper alternative to paint. It now comes in all colors and glosses.

Agree to the comments that the 400E is an extreme bargain. It is very tempting when I see nice TX cars for sale for just a few grand.

 

[Ascension]

Re: Found my 400E

The title of this forum is "500Eboard" not "400Eboard." Last time I checked, at least.

The 400E forums were added far after the point when this forum was first established on November 30, 2008. The predecssor forum, 500Ecstasy, did NOT have 400E specific sub-forums or content.

And, history has shown, that much of the historical "drama" on this site (what there has been), has been engineered by .034 owners, not .036 owners. I am not fingering anyone in particular here, but there is a definite pattern. There is also, clearly, a different demographic of .034 and .036 owners.

Gerry I will chime in here as I am a 034 owner but may at some point wind up with a 036.
90% of the service tips and such cross over on both lines. BOTH are rare birds and getting rarer and many will own a 036 but also a 034 as a DD so IMO this should be a forum that caters to M119 powered W 124's in BOTH the 036 and 034 variants.
One thing that always bugs me here is seeing a 034 called pedestrian ( most time by YOU BTW!!) when in reality these 034's were $50K + cars new in the early /mid 90's which was quite a chunk of change then and hardly "pedestrian".
In reality there were roughly a ratio of 2/1 in 034's and 036's but both together compose a very small fraction of W 124 production and both were quite high end cars for the day.
As a driver I personally will prefer a 400 or 420 to a 500 simply because of maintenance issues with things like the self leveling suspension and such. It's the same thing with us now looking at a new car for the wife as we are looking at a C 300 in rear drive only without a lot of the bells and whistles because of long term maintenance costs. A new C 400 is NICE but I don't need the long therm maintenance headache that comes with AWD air ride ect. Wouldn't mean I am "less than" and "more pedestrian" than a C 400 or C 63 owner or that I couldn't afford one just that I choose not to go that rout.
There is only a relative small number of enthusiast for these M-119 W- 124 cars as well as the number of these cars still on the road is declining. Having a single forum for ALL those who love all the M 119 V8 M 124's makes a LOT more sense than some classicist segregation of the 036 and 034 owners into 2 forums and 2 camps.

 

[gerryvz]

Re: Found my 400E

Like I said, this site was founded as, and will continue as, a site with MAJORITY FOCUS specifically on the 500E/E500. I understand that the 400E/E420 is very similar in many if not most basic respects, and that it is a relatively rare car.

But that fact is besides the point. I remember that certain F-body Camaro models of the past have also used slightly de-tuned variants of the Corvette C4 models' motors of that era, in effect making them a little brother in the all-important drivetrain area. But does that mean that a Corvette forum should cater to Camaro models with similar drivetrains? It's debatable.

The bottom line here, and I don't mean to be harsh, rude or mean by this comment, is that 400E/E420 owners are here 100% by their own choice, on a forum that is NOT the focus for their cars. If they don't like it here, they can use other forums such as Benzworld or PeachParts that also cater to their vehicles, and have plenty of threads and data archives specific to the 400E/E420.

If 400E owners are offended by certain terms I use such as "pedestrian" or such, that they take to indicate condescension, that is THEIR problem with how they are interpreting the terms, not mine. Trust me, there are plenty of truly insulting terms I could use, that I don't. If I truly hated and wanted to insult the .034, y'all would definitely know it. Seeing as I have owned several "pedestrian" six-cylinder 124 wagon models, I am happy to call my own cars "pedestrian" just as my G-wagen is "pedestrian" compared to a G500 from its era, or a current G63 AMG.

I would bet that most Porsche 911 owners think the same way about the Porsche 912 models. They are different cars, designed for a different reason, and for a different audience.

In addition, the 400E was conceived very much after the fact by MB as a "Lexus" and "Infiniti" fighter model, to counter those cars as they came out in the 1989-1990 time frame. Even then, MB was a couple of years late, because they got caught with their pants down with arrogance, because they didn't think those Japanese luxury marques could compete with their almighty brand. When they actually DID start competing, MB had to scramble to create the 400E to compete.

The 500E was a completely different model -- really an attempt to create a factory high-performance sedan that followed the AMG Hammer formula but could fight the M-series models from BMW.

400E/E420 owners should be damned happy that they even have their own forums here. No other site on the Internet has ever created specific forums for 400E owners.

With all of this insecurity and complaining that is going on, I am very quickly moving forward toward just cleaving off the 400E, C126 and G-wagen related forums onto another site or just doing away with them altogether, and sharpening up the focus of this site to (again) focus exclusively on the E500E as the site was originally. Literally ALL of the drama, complaining and whining on this site over the past few years has been due to and caused by 400E owner members, who along with their more common cars, also represent a distinctly different demographic than 500E and E500 owners. That is a fact.

I know that there are quite a few folks here who have decried (mostly privately) the addition of non-E500E forums to this site, and would like to see them go. I will also say that the addition of these forums has resulted in some owners of those "non-E500E" models who have come from other forums, who I scratch my head about.

I'm going to make one last offer here. If someone wants to start up a new forum specifically targeted to 400E/E420 owners, you can easily do so using the free "phpbb" forum software, which is what this site originally used. I will be VERY HAPPY to donate all of the 400E/E420 specific forums so that you can use them as the kernel of a new site/forum dedicated to those models. These forums can easily be imported into that site. I am tired of the whining and the drama being created by these non-E500E owners here, and trust me, I am getting ready to do something about it.

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[clarkz71]

Re: Found my 400E

But that fact is besides the point. I remember that certain F-body Camaro models of the past have also used slightly de-tuned variants of the Corvette C4 models' motors of that era, in effect making them a little brother in the all-important drivetrain area. But does that mean that a Corvette forum should cater to Camaro models with similar drivetrains?

That is the most ridiculous comparison I've ever read, bar none.

Are you seriously, on a public forum saying that the 034/036 is like comparing
2 Totally different cars like a Corvette and a F body Camaro ????

Now if this was the S420board and 400E owners were trying to "claim" they were the same based on the
M119 and 722.366 transmission are the same you may have a leg to stand on.

BUT, the fact is the introduction to service manual has 124.034/036 on the cover.

Yes, the 034/036 share the same manual "BECAUSE" they have so much in common,
not "The 500E was a completely different model"

I don't think, actually, I know GM didn't have the Corvette and Camaro in the same service manual.

This is bordering on stupidity and is starting to look like high school BS.

I would bet that most Porsche 911 owners think the same way about the Porsche 912 models. They are different cars, designed for a different reason, and for a different audience.

Really? A flat 4 cylinder and flat 6 comparison.............

 

[gerryvz]

Re: Found my 400E

Arguing will get you nowhere. And is not helping the case of .034 owners here.

 

[clarkz71]

Re: Found my 400E

You're confusing a factual statement with arguing.

And 034 owners will get my help no matter what forum I post on.

If you're under the impression I fear getting banned/retired/whatever
from this one, you don't know me at all.

The forum will continue with or without me, as will I.

Some members on this board actually like having me around
and appreciate my contributions.

You seem to want to incite division between 034 and 036 owners
with your comments. Not the mark of a leader, except maybe Obama

The thread title is "Found my 400E", yet 036 owners want to come
on a stir trouble. I disappointed with that.

Cleave off the sub forum if you don't want us on here.
Anyone who wants my help will find me where ever I go.

Probably would have been a good idea to discuss this via PM
But you wanted it public, well, you got it.

And it's not insecurity, it's experience. I don't have a 500E
because they're not worth the extra coin over the 400E.
Having extensive seat time in both.

I think that about covers it.

 

[gerryvz]

Re: 400E/E420-Specific Forum Futures on this site

I am not sure where I've inferred that anyone is going to get banned or disciplined. That is not the case.

I will re-iterate my position, calmly:

• This site was started, and remains focused on, the needs of 500E and E500 owners.
• There are significant differences between the .034 and the .036 models.
• As a "nod" to .034 owners, recognizing the kinship of the models, I started several years ago the .034 sub-forums.
• .034 owners have been welcome here, and are welcome to contribute.
• .034 owners MUST recognize and acknowledge that this is an .036 site, and given that focus their cars are not the center of attention here.
• .034 owners are a different demographic than .036 owners, with different desires, needs, and so forth.
• Numerous .034 owners have been behind quite a lot of the drama and conflict on this site. I will not name names, but there is a very clear and definite pattern here.
• This site is not a democracy. It is owned by me, and it is 100% paid for by me. Most significant decisions are discussed, and have been made, by a small group of trusted members, who have diverse but mature viewpoints. That is on purpose, and that is by design.
• Folks are welcome to come and go from this site as they please. If they specifically request that their accounts be de-activated, I oblige the request by marking them as "RETIRED" ... and in a couple of cases, as "BANNED"
• No member's full slate of posts have ever been deleted from this site, although there are instances of threads or individual conflicts being removed.
• If folks don't like the rules here, or they feel discriminated against in terms of their model getting short-shrifted, that is their -- and ONLY their -- problem. They are welcome to leave on their own volition.
• Conflicts and personal insults with specific, malicious intent here are NOT tolerated and will be deleted. People making them will be disciplined, of which various means exist.
• There is nothing any single member can do to damage this forum, remove their posts, or vandalize anything on this site that cannot be un-done.
• Generally speaking, and as evidenced by Clark's post above, I allow free speech and do not edit any member's posts. If you don't like what someone else says, that's YOUR problem. But in responding to it, you'd best use tact. Any member on this site with malicious intent, or who deliberately insults and abuses others, will be dealt with swiftly and harshly.
• Lastly, this forum will go on without specific individuals on it, and vice versa. I welcome and enjoy everyone on this site -- and have personally met well over 100 members of this site on three continents -- but there are limits that should be kept in mind.
• It is possible to wear out one's welcome here, and several members have trodden far down that path in the past.

I think that about covers it.

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[colombian_gringo]

Re: 400E/E420-Specific Forum Futures on this site

I don't think anyone has forgotten that we're on the 500Eboard.com. I'm grateful that there is a 400E/E420 specific subforum so that .034 owners can learn about their cars and address specific issues not applicable to the .036. That being said I'm not sure I really understand the position that there needs to be such a decisive divide between .034 and .036 owners. It almost seems like there a certain amount of disdain toward .034 owners here and that they are merely tolerated but not welcomed with open arms.

In the end we are all 124 owners, all with M119 engines. This site began as a valuable resource for .036 owners and has flourished into a valuable resource for .034 owners, C126 owners and G-Wagen owners.

Ultimately it's Gerry's site and he will do with it as he sees fit. I guess I just don't see the need for all this drama and divisiveness.

I don't see how all this even got started out of the "Found my 400E" thread IN the 400E/E420 subforum.

 

[clarkz71]

Re: 400E/E420-Specific Forum Futures on this site

Yep, that rant sure sounds like some PNW hipster.

It's either a diesel or G wagon for those types.

 

[maw1124]

And some of us "high minded liberals" with "extra coin" love Obama, the 500E and BMW M cars, simply because they are not their "pedestrian", "bell curve", "plain vanilla, white bread" stable mates.

But hopefully all of us can keep that stuff off of this site. This is obviously not the only site I'm on. It is my favorite, because it caters to "a different demographic" (as GVZ puts it).

But I don't care where that shows up in money, politics, or even race for that matter. I do care where it shows up in DECORUM!

Like, I think we can resist the urge to act like "ugly Americans" -- this is a global site after all, dedicated to a car that was mostly sold and appreciated elsewhere. No one expected America to appreciate the 500E, just like it makes sense that Jazz and Obama are more appreciated globally than domestically. Apologies to anyone reading this who doesn't travel abroad.

maw

 

[Klink]

But I don't care where that shows up in money, politics, or even race for that matter. I do care where it shows up in DECORUM!

maw

times a billion billion, Marcus
Straight, No Chaser

I tried to get the "ugly Americans" and "apologies to those who don't travel abroad" lines in there too but I screwed it up...

 

[Gatorblue92]

Re: 400E/E420-Specific Forum Futures on this site

I don't think anyone has forgotten that we're on the 500Eboard.com. I'm grateful that there is a 400E/E420 specific subforum so that .034 owners can learn about their cars and address specific issues not applicable to the .036. That being said I'm not sure I really understand the position that there needs to be such a decisive divide between .034 and .036 owners. It almost seems like there a certain amount of disdain toward .034 owners here and that they are merely tolerated but not welcomed with open arms.

In the end we are all 124 owners, all with M119 engines. This site began as a valuable resource for .036 owners and has flourished into a valuable resource for .034 owners, C126 owners and G-Wagen owners.

Ultimately it's Gerry's site and he will do with it as he sees fit. I guess I just don't see the need for all this drama and divisiveness.

I don't see how all this even got started out of the "Found my 400E" thread IN the 400E/E420 subforum.

This. All of this.

Why can't we just all get along...

 

[Klink]

Re: 400E/E420-Specific Forum Futures on this site

This. All of this.

Why can't we just all get along...

We can, and we will...

 

[gerryvz]

And for six-plus years ... we have.

This forum is much larger than any single individual, or group of people, or car model.

For the record, according to my detailed forum administration notes, I created the 400E/E420 sub-forum section on December 11, 2011.

 

[Maui]

Re: Found my 400E

http://media.daimler.com/dcmedia/0-921-614781-1-1113121-1-0-0-0-0-0-11702-614318-0-1-0-0-0-0-0.html

[TABLE="class: cmaTableSolid, width: 478"][TR][TD="class: cmaTDSolid, width: 176"]320 TE/ E 320 Station wagon ****
[/TD][TD="class: cmaTDSolid, width: 125"]S 124 E 32
[/TD][TD="class: cmaTDSolid, width: 117"]1992 - 1996
[/TD][TD="class: cmaTDSolid, width: 88"]18 368
[/TD][/TR][/TABLE]
Well that certainly explains why it is so hard to find a nice 1994-1995 wagon.

 

[Ascension]

Re: Found my 400E

You're confusing a factual statement with arguing.

And 034 owners will get my help no matter what forum I post on.

If you're under the impression I fear getting banned/retired/whatever
from this one, you don't know me at all.

The forum will continue with or without me, as will I.

Some members on this board actually like having me around
and appreciate my contributions.

You seem to want to incite division between 034 and 036 owners
with your comments. Not the mark of a leader, except maybe Obama

The thread title is "Found my 400E", yet 036 owners want to come
on a stir trouble. I disappointed with that.

Cleave off the sub forum if you don't want us on here.
Anyone who wants my help will find me where ever I go.

Probably would have been a good idea to discuss this via PM
But you wanted it public, well, you got it.

And it's not insecurity, it's experience. I don't have a 500E
because they're not worth the extra coin over the 400E.
Having extensive seat time in both.

I think that about covers it.

Clark you and I have hit head on at times but here I agree 100% with you.
Bottom line IMO there are not enough E400/420/500 owners out there to support exclusive separate forums for the 2 marks. we can do much more to preserve these cars together than we can if separated.
Also most of the comments I personally find degrading towards 034 owners Gerry frankly come from you and the vast majority of this boards membership from what I have seen is not divided along 034 vs 036 lines.
It's in everyone's best interest here IMO to keep the forum M119 W-124 based and not split it along the 034 vs 036 camps.

 

[gerryvz]

I think we have just about beaten this topic to death. I have allowed everyone to have their "say," and it is time to move on.

 

[bing]

I think we have just about beaten this topic to death. I have allowed everyone to have their "say," and it is time to move on.

Just like how this thread started ... That's a wrap !

Group hug would be good !

 

[Ascension]

I think we have just about beaten this topic to death. I have allowed everyone to have their "say," and it is time to move on.

Gerry no one has beaten the topic or you bro.
Look I appreciate all you in particular have done for all of us by both creating this board and also all the DIY instructional pieces you have done with out which I would have been lost more than once with my car.
My only beef is the way that those of us who are 034 owners are consistently reminded this is really a board for 036's and those of us who own the as you say Pedestrian 034's are not really welcome and only tolerated here.
Truth be told BOTH the 034 AND the 036 cars were limited production, very high end and for their time expensive cars that share 90% of their mechanical uniqueness over the more normal W-124's. BOTH lines deserve respect and efforts in preservation for the next generation.
At this point I doubt there are more than 10K of these cars on the road in the US and that number is declining. In particular the number of the 034's is now declining quite rapidly due to the maintenance and repair costs + current low market value of these cars.
It makes real sense for both camps to find a way to work together on one board to save these unique W-124 M-119 V8 powered cars from the crusher rather than disrespect and fight each other over which line car we own.
If we DON'T do this I can guarantee we will look back and be shocked 10 years from now at how many cars from both lines that will be lost forever and could/should have been saved.
IMO preservation and promotion of the M-119 powered W-124's should be the only focus of this board. This is the ONLY real source of factual info specific to these very unique cars I can find on the net and it does not need to be divided into 034 and 036 camps!!

 

[garrison]

I'm just glad to be here ... the only difference to me between owning and driving my 400E for the past ten years and owning and driving a 500E is the times I've been politely stopped by one of our boys in blue ... given how far I've had my foot in the thing now and then, the 500E would have been in the impound yard and I would have been asked to be a guest in the Iron Bar Hotel for the evening and then have breakfast with the Hangin' Judge in the morning ... the 400E got me off with a trip to the mail box and loss of a bit of cash ... still, the 400E will see phone poles going by like a picket fence ... either car is a terrific bang for the buck ... it's flat amazing how this twenty-something year old technology can beat the pants off -- both in speed and handling -- so much new iron that it isn't even funny ... when someone wants to play tag with me, they really don't know what they're messing with ... 400E ... 500E ... wonderful creations ... I'll stick around ... you guys know far too much for me to ever leave ...

regards,

garrison
'92 400E @ 243k
'95 E320 @ 181k

 

[diaconovic]

Re: W124 canvas print

There's a new 400E and 500E specific forum over at Benzworld (it's a sub-forum of the W124 forum) that was recently established, that has become a major magnet for .034 and .036 owners, unfortunately leaving this forum in the dust.

It's the new "in" place for the W124 V-8 owners to hang out and is completely blowing this forum out of the water in terms of the quality of information that's being provided to folks there (read this entire thread for a great example of this high quality info) and the daily volume of information that's being posted. This forum is located here: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w124-v8-400e-e420-500e-e500/

I'd definitely advertise over there - the high roller owners are hanging over there now.

Other than that, I can't think of any other places besides there, and this forum, where you're going to find big numbers of W124 V-8 owners.

Cheers,
Gerry

Off topic , but first thread i readed is the infamous 400 vs 500 difference .... why so much hate , this is the first time in my life i heard the 500E is a cheap car , really ??? Speechless ....

 

[gsxr]

Re: W124 canvas print

I think they meant MB got a deal from Porsche at the time, as Porsche needed the work. Nothing cheap about it, the E500E was the most expensive 124 produced, and arguably the best-quality 124 produced.

 

[diaconovic]

Re: W124 canvas print

Ok english is too subtle for me sometimes , i apologize but the second message is not that friendly though , bref let's move on !

 

[DerFuror]

Re: Word Choice & Implied Messages

Ok english is too subtle for me sometimes , i apologize but the second message is not that friendly though , bref let's move on !

We often demonstrate poor command of our own language. I believe the Posters of both messages intend the meaning of the word "cheap" to actually mean "less expensive". The words are somewhat similar, yet very different in reality. "Cheap" connotes something of shoddy quality or lacking value. "Inexpensive" connotes something of less cost. It is always appreciated when something of high quality & value can be obtained inexpensively, or less expensively.

Regarding 500E production, Porsche was in a position to assemble the cars less expensively than Mercedes would have been able to at that time.

The use of "cheap" was just a poor word choice. We Americans can be notorious for our imprecise use of words, & our intentions or true meanings are often misunderstood by others because of this imprecision. We often use the word "cheap" to convey the reality of something that is "inexpensive".

English can be a difficult language for those speaking/writing it as their primary language. Our poor word choice/imprecision is a result of our overall ineffectual primary educational system. Too much money expensively going into this system with too much cheap quality & value coming out...especially with being taught the use of our own language during the crucial early learning years!

I assure you neither of those messages' true meanings were unfriendly or hateful in any way.

 

[gerryvz]

Re: W124 canvas print

Those messages came from Benzworld. One has to consider the source, and the posters. And the "real" intent of why that thread was started in the first place, and even more importantly who started it and participated on it. Dollars to donuts, neither of the posters quoted above (nor most all of the posters in that thread) have ever owned a 500E.

The poster of the second post above is also a "regular" over at the now-infamous Banzworld W126 forum, which I have railed about many times. The Benzworld W126 forum can be summed up nicely, in the immortal words of Obi-Wan Kenobi ....

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One thing that I have learned is that there is a definite inferiority complex with some .034 owners and W124 owners when it comes to the 500E. I dunno ... do Porsche 912 owners have an inferiority complex when it comes to the 911? Or Euro Audi wagon owners when it comes to the RS2?

I have also observed that most of the folks who have made trouble on this forum have also been .034 owners. They are a different demographic than 500E owners.

And this is why I was very deliberate and overt some weeks back, to reiterate that the focus of this forum is the 500E. And while .034 owners are welcome here (and quite a few are just members of the regular gang) they are not the center of the universe, and this is NOT a W124 V-8 forum as they want it to be. And I am happy to say that many of these .034 folks are now regulars over at the Banzworld W124 V-8 forum, and are only lurkers here.

I also have to say, that the past 5-6 weeks have been quite blissful and drama-free here on the forum, from a moderation standpoint. I feel like some of the old spirit of the forum is coming back.

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[colombian_gringo]

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Apparently you've been somewhat successful in eradicating those contemptuous .034 owners from your forum. The 500E board is no place for such a common element. Cheers to you Gerry for ridding the forums of those peasants and cleaning out the riff raff! Blissful indeed. Glad to see the old elitist spirit of the forum is coming back!

 

[gerryvz]

Re: W124 canvas print

Apparently you've been somewhat successful in eradicating those contemptuous .034 owners from your forum. The 500E board is no place for such a common element. Cheers to you Gerry for ridding the forums of those peasants and cleaning out the riff raff! Blissful indeed. Glad to see the old elitist spirit of the forum is coming back!

Like I said, the unwashed .034 masses have a great new forum over at Benzworld !!

 

[Gatorblue92]

Re: W124 canvas print

Apparently you've been somewhat successful in eradicating those contemptuous .034 owners from your forum. The 500E board is no place for such a common element. Cheers to you Gerry for ridding the forums of those peasants and cleaning out the riff raff! Blissful indeed. Glad to see the old elitist spirit of the forum is coming back!

This nearly made me choke on my lunch. Thankfully I didn't since I only own a 034 and don't have any servants on hand to administer CPR

 

[colombian_gringo]

Re: W124 canvas print

Like I said, the unwashed .034 masses have a great new forum over at Benzworld !!

Indeed they do! But where's the fun in that when there are no pretentious blowhards over there to provoke them? Surely they will get bored over at the other forum and return here for the verbal jousting and patronizing exchanges that this site is known for.

 

[gerryvz]

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pretentious blowhards

I recommend that you cool it with the name-calling. In addition, you are reinforcing the perception of many here that .034 owners cause the vast bulk of the problems/drama on this forum.

If you do not like it here, no one is forcing you to come here and post. You are welcome to leave at any time.

As we say down south here, "Don't let the doorknob hit you, where the Good Lord split you."

:dasauf:

 

[Klink]

Re: W124 canvas print

pretentious blowhards

Hey! I resemble that remark!

 

[colombian_gringo]

Re: W124 canvas print

I recommend that you cool it with the name-calling. In addition, you are reinforcing the perception of many here that .034 owners cause the vast bulk of the problems/drama on this forum.

If you do not like it here, no one is forcing you to come here and post. You are welcome to leave at any time.

As we say down south here, "Don't let the doorknob hit you, where the Good Lord split you."

:dasauf:

I wouldn't consider it name-calling unless someone specific was actually named. No one has been. As for the perception that .034 owners cause the vast bulk of the problems/drama on this forum, that perception is all yours. I haven't seen anyone else express that sentiment here.

I love it here, Gerry. Why would I want to leave? There's no other automotive forum where I can get both technical info on my car and my masochistic fix from being told that I'm part of a substandard demographic. It truly is the best of both worlds.

 

[maw1124]

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Hey! I resemble that remark!

And I'm his evil twin, an unpretentious speak softly but carry...

I haven't missed any of it. I tried to helpfully post over there to someone who was wondering what the difference was between the cars, 400 vs 500. I got a response from Clark which reminded me of why populist and pedestrian doesn't really work for me. Freedom is a road seldom traveled by the multitudes.

If you're looking for information that "there's not much difference between the cars" don't be surprised if such info is hard to find. It's hard to find because it doesn't exist, and it doesn't exist because it isn't true. Deal with it.

H8rs gonna H8

maw

 

[maw1124]

Re: W124 canvas print

There's no other automotive forum where I can get both technical info on my car and my masochistic fix from being told that I'm part of a substandard demographic. It truly is the best of both worlds.

The beatings won't stop until morale improves.

maw

 

[Klink]

Re: W124 canvas print

This nearly made me choke on my lunch. Thankfully I didn't since I only own a 034 and don't have any servants on hand to administer CPR

LOL, I read yours over lunch, too. I enjoyed the laughs, and as a bonus, I also did not choke so you won't be hearing from my attorneys, at least not this time, but they are here on retainer, at the ready.

Of course, if I had choked, this is how it actually works for us .036 owners:
My "personal assistant" (wink wink, you get my drift, She's from the Philippines, so I call her my "Manilla Folder") would summon our private physician, who would actually administer the remedial measures. One wouldn't trust a simple manservant with a life-and-death situation now, would one? My "executive assistant" would fire the cook. Throughout it all, the governess would keep the children calm and occupied.

And in no time, I'd be right back to writing silly stuff like this on 500Eboard...


PS, What kind of motor oil do you guys like ?

 

[Klink]

Re: W124 canvas print

I can get both technical info on my car and my masochistic fix from being told that I'm part of a substandard demographic. It truly is the best of both worlds.

Now that's taking it like a man!

 

[Klink]

Re: W124 canvas print

H8rs gonna H8

maw

Yep, And baiters are gonna bait...

 

[gsxr]

Re: W124 canvas print

Yep, And baiters are gonna bait...

...I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake shake... Shake it off...

 

[gerryvz]

Yep, And baiters are gonna bait...

Master baiters?

The "problem" has been solved. We take good care of our [unhappy] customers.

Move along, move along......