FOR SALE FS: 1992 400E, White/Creme, 37kmi, $20,600 (Norway)

[500AMM]

Here is a nice 400E for sale in Norway, which is a rare car over here. The price is shocking for people outside Norway of course, but this is the price level we have here. It looks nice and clean so I like to publish it here anyway.

http://www.finn.no/finn/car/used/object?finnkode=52820080

The car is a US version imported from Florida. It is a one owner car, owned by an old woman, never winter driven, always garaged, complete service records and clean carfax.

-a-

 

[J-Sauce]

Arnt, no Florida car is winter-driven, as there is no such thing as winter in Florida.

 

[gerryvz]

Did someone in Morepay steal Clark Vader's car?

Clark, you better go down to your garage and check to make sure your car is still there....

 

[mistermiata]

Did someone in Morepay steal Clark Vader's car?

Clark, you better go down to your garage and check to make sure your car is still there....

Hah, you beat me to it Gerry! I was just thinking that sounded like Clark's car. Florida car, white ext, tan interior, old woman driver.....

 

[Melville]

My wife helped a Norwegian friend ship an older 911 from NY to Norway a few years ago. It wasn't in perfect condition but he was still able to make a nice profit on the car once he got it in Norway. Maybe this is something I should start looking into with all those Norwegians and their oil money burning holes in their pockets...

 

[500AMM]

Arnt, no Florida car is winter-driven, as there is no such thing as winter in Florida.

You're right Justin, that stroke me too.

But that therm counts a lot when selling cars here in Norway due to our "acid poured" winter roads you know.

BTW - does the 400E and E420 has equal power & torque?

 

[500AMM]

My wife helped a Norwegian friend ship an older 911 from NY to Norway a few years ago. It wasn't in perfect condition but he was still able to make a nice profit on the car once he got it in Norway. Maybe this is something I should start looking into with all those Norwegians and their oil money burning holes in their pockets...

Mark - you're resting on a potential gold mine!
I volunteer as your overseas accountant for 10% of the profit.

Yes, the Norwgian oil fund at a good $800.000.000.000 (per 2nd quarter 2014) sounds nice, and it gives a subsidized and controlled community for us in many ways, but the "painful sting always follows the sweet itch". I think it's important to understand that this wealth is not evenly distributed among the citizens, and it does partly contribute to an uncontrolled financial situation and extreme cost level;
- a regular 1000 sqf house with a minor property halfway into the suburbs to the cities cost $1 mill
- a 750 sqf average condition flat downtown cost $1 mill
- regular cars cost twice as in most of the other European countries
- cloths & consumables cost 2-3 times more than most of the other European countries
- all kind of service and rental work has insane rates
- VAT & tax on tax brings at least 85% of the citizens income back to the government, so it's delicate for the government to brag about being a rich nation
- previous government had a relaxed & naive immigration politics resulting in a flood of refugees and asylians utilizing the community-pays principle, draining money for no contribution and claims "their rights"...eh?! Additionally are many of them mentally unstable criminals, stealing, fighting, beating up their wife & kids badly, even killing people, and end up in our prisons run buy our tax money.

For the regular people to cope with the challenging cost level, it is huge bank loans. When I grew up it was a common understanding that all debts had to be paid in due time to retirement. Today it is different, it is no chance to ever pay down the initial establishment over say 35 years due to the extreme and still increasing cost level. The government do now realize that it is not enough money to pay the pension to the future retirements, despite the citizens have been taxed for it during their entire work career! They are now talking about raising the point for retirement to 75 years. So the principle is simple - work and die like a dayfly.

That huge Norwegian oil fund at $800.000.000.000 (..which actually is maintained bad financially) doesn't count so much in our daily life, we still drive on narrow, pothole roads around in this country. This wasn't pointing at anyone here on the forum, but I couldn't hold it back, sorry.

-a-

 

[Melville]

Housing costs certainly are crazy in Norway. One of the few places where it's worse is my home town of Vancouver. I know many people who put themselves into so much mortgage and consumer debt that a bad month would be catastrophic for them. And they don't see it as strange since everyone they know is doing the same thing. If you have a regular job, you can forget about owning a house unless you want to commute an hour a day. The city of my youth where kids had yards to play in and there were enough young families in the neighborhood to be able to put together a decent street hockey team are now long gone.

Also, you're very right about high prices in Norway. I remember the first time I paid $20 for a beer in Norway and thought I must be doing my currency conversion wrong. Soon I realized that wasn't an unusually high price. I heard stories of $30 a beer at the Bergen tall ship festival. Thirty. Dollars. Per. Beer. And it wasn't even good beer! One of the few things that seem to be affordable (due to government concessions) are Teslas. They are everywhere in Norway.

 

[gerryvz]

Also, you're very right about high prices in Norway. I remember the first time I paid $20 for a beer in Norway and thought I must be doing my currency conversion wrong. Soon I realized that wasn't an unusually high price. I heard stories of $30 a beer at the Bergen tall ship festival. Thirty. Dollars. Per. Beer. And it wasn't even good beer! One of the few things that seem to be affordable (due to government concessions) are Teslas. They are everywhere in Norway.

Wow...I thought the $14 I paid for a beer sitting outside the casino in Monaco a few years back was bad....

 

[Ron500E]

Wow...I thought the $14 I paid for a beer sitting outside the casino in Monaco a few years back was bad....

You must be talking about the Café de Paris. About 10 years ago I had a small green salad and iced tea there. 50 Euro's.
It was a very good Iced Tea I might add.....
Ever since then I've been saving my money to go back and have a large green salad and iced tea.

Ron

 

[Klink]

Housing costs certainly are crazy in Norway. One of the few places where it's worse is my home town of Vancouver. I know many people who put themselves into so much mortgage and consumer debt that a bad month would be catastrophic for them. And they don't see it as strange since everyone they know is doing the same thing. If you have a regular job, you can forget about owning a house unless you want to commute an hour a day. The city of my youth where kids had yards to play in and there were enough young families in the neighborhood to be able to put together a decent street hockey team are now long gone.

Also, you're very right about high prices in Norway. I remember the first time I paid $20 for a beer in Norway and thought I must be doing my currency conversion wrong. Soon I realized that wasn't an unusually high price. I heard stories of $30 a beer at the Bergen tall ship festival. Thirty. Dollars. Per. Beer. And it wasn't even good beer! One of the few things that seem to be affordable (due to government concessions) are Teslas. They are everywhere in Norway.

Some time in Morepay one of these years is definitely on my bucket list, but the more I hear from the American intellectual castrati of how wonderful everything in Norway is, the more that I am convinced that all is not so rosy.

As far as the state owned oil fund goes, all abundance seems to do at a governmental level is encourage greater waste. How could the roads, for example, not be absolutely perfect? For some time I have wondered when the general population of Norway and other countries with similar funds wouldn't get fed up with this stuff and simply start to demand that that fund be liquidated yearly and the proceeds deposited in each individual's bank account. THAT would make it "The People's Money"! Of course, such things are never really about money, but always about control, and like most children, the social utopians are certain that they are much smarter and more informed than you are and far better qualified to dole out the wealth that they don't really feel "belongs" to anybody anyway, least of all to you. Only wildly excessive government interference in an economy could explain the simultaneous preponderance of unaffordable beer and affordable electric cars.

Sorry, I'll shut up now. I couldn't help myself either...

 

[Maui]

Does Norway have any restrictions on importing US cars?

 

[Stevester 500E]

In California 20K can buy you a white 500e and you will have enough money to buy a salad and a tea anywhere around the world.

 

[gerryvz]

You must be talking about the Café de Paris. About 10 years ago I had a small green salad and iced tea there. 50 Euro's.
It was a very good Iced Tea I might add.....
Ever since then I've been saving my money to go back and have a large green salad and iced tea.

Ron

Ron,

Here's a photo of said $14 beer. You can see the Casino in the background.

The photo of me by the fountain was taken about 3 minutes before the President of Argentina, Christina Fernández de Kirchner, physically bumped into me, right in front of that fountain. She's not half bad looking in person, for a head of state. Beats Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama any day.....

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[gsxr]

BTW - does the 400E and E420 has equal power & torque?

1992 400E power (268hp) was rated slightly less than 1993-up (275hp). Torque rating was the same on all years, 295lb-ft.

HOWEVER: There has been some debate over discrepancies with power ratings on the early 4.2L engines. I am strongly suspicious that the claimed numbers are not accurate, particularly for 1992 models. The 1992 engines were 10:1 compression, and supposedly rated at 268hp. However, the same motor in the W140 was rated at 282hp, and the M119 engine manual also says 282hp. Magazine road tests back then showed the 1992 400E was faster than the 93-95 400E/E420, which also seems to indicate a power loss starting in 1993, rather than a power gain. I've always wanted to get a good DynoJet dyno graph from a 1992 400E to verify this.

 

[500AMM]

Does Norway have any restrictions on importing US cars?

Ken,

It's no import restrictions on any cars from any nation. The next challenge can be the technical approval, and the cars must have a clean title anyway. Kit cars are really hard to get road legal, dependent on which category the kit car is. If it's based on parts from other road legal cars like the suspension, brakes etc.. it's easier, but if it's built from scratch it is close to impossible. Many years ago I researched on building an Ultima GTR640 where all parts are factory made at Ultima in UK, except for the Chevy small block and Porsche trans. That is a kit car missing all kind of governing tests as serial produced cars undergoes. So the first problem was the technical approval, the next was the registration tax, because then I had a brand new 640Hp car in front of me! That would double up the price on an already expensive kit car, so the show was over before it started.
http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/Content.aspx?f=gtrintro


-a-

 

[Maui]

The GTR reminds me of the the Le Mans cars. Looks like a very fun auto.

I am looking forward to the day we can import W124's from Japan. I dream of an AMG wagon.

BTW, I would love to visit Norway some time. From the pictures I've seen it looks like a beautiful country.