Hawks vs Ferodo pads for Brembo GT calipers

[samiam44]

Ok guys,


I'm running some Brembo calipers on my 500e. They are the GT1 brakes (ala F-40 Ferrari and I believe this pad fits the rear GTRs and Lambo Diablo). I was a little dumb founded when i googled up the Brembo pad # 07.8645.16 which came up .... drum roll $915. Maybe they meant Yen =0). I can fairly easily get the Hawk HPS which is the carbon-ceramic street pad. HB193. I see also there is a Ferodo p/n which crosses over.

Hawks lists a bunch of different pads compounds. I see $95 for HPS and it's attractive- probably soft enough to seat on a these rotors which are the removable disc- not a hat like OEM.

Anybody with some direct experience with street/race performance pads- help!

Sincerely,

Michael

 

[gsxr]

Re: Hawks vs Ferodo pads

The bottom of the attached image shows a cross-reference chart for Brembo 07.8645.16 pads. The equivalent Ferodo (FCP1281) race compound is only $360.

Looks like Porterfield carries them in R4-S street compound for $180/set, or Hawk HPS for $145:
https://www.porterfield-brakes.com/categories/Brembo+GT+Kit+Pads/B++or++H++or++P+Caliper+Family.html

Amazon has the Hawk HPS for $105 delivered. Read the reviews...
https://www.amazon.com/Hawk-Performance-HB193F-670-Ceramic-Brake/dp/B000CLNLC6

I can't help with the compound question, but figured I'd post the x-ref info for posterity.

 

[skikrazey]

I used Ferodo pads on the front of my 2011 Range Rover Sport Supercharged which had the factory Brembo calipers. Did not like the Ferodo pads. Switched to Hawk LTS, far superior to the Ferodos. You cannot go wrong with Hawks or Porterfields. Traded the 2011 on a 2016 (same model) last summer and just put a set of Hawk LTS pads on this one. It stops far better than the factory pads.

 

[samiam44]

I'm going to get Porterfield's R4-S. I most likely need rotors and they seem to be the only aftermarket source for 2-piece rotors. Brembos would be $1100 for a pair!
They will cryo treat them too.

 

[samiam44]

The f1000 compound is the Brembos street compound.

 

[samiam44]

Porterfields are here.. rotors are nice. THey edge polished the sides of the pads. The mounting hardware is McClaren(sp).. kinda pricy, but figured it's time. The calipers them selves are the easiest I've ever had to deal with. You can remove and re-use the dust boots with ease. Mine were pretty darn clean- a clogged bleed valve and some minorness.

I am still waiting on brake line parts. They miss-sent me fittings with the assumption, at the time- the car was Italian. I reminded him it was a Mercedes.. silence .. right mercedes, bubble flairs .

The caliper brakes are simple and look to be generic Brembo. They are angles and shimmed. The final bolts, I tighten with brake pressure on the pads to get good alignment as there is some play.
Easy. Mine are 40/44 mm which is the most common aftermarket kits. Probably available used.

 

[5thscaleracer]

Here is a tip..

Google the FMSI number

D810 or D968

You will find more street and competition pads.

This is the universal brake pad number that has been adapted worldwide.


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[yao500e]

Re: Hawks vs Ferodo pads

The bottom of the attached image shows a cross-reference chart for Brembo 07.8645.16 pads. The equivalent Ferodo (FCP1281) race compound is only $360.

Looks like Porterfield carries them in R4-S street compound for $180/set, or Hawk HPS for $145:
https://www.porterfield-brakes.com/categories/Brembo+GT+Kit+Pads/B++or++H++or++P+Caliper+Family.html

Amazon has the Hawk HPS for $105 delivered. Read the reviews...
Amazon.com

I can't help with the compound question, but figured I'd post the x-ref info for posterity.

Hello gsxr, thanks for this is very helpful.

I got brembo 07.8645.16 pads for my brembo calipers and they are SO GOSH DAMN DUSTY! LOL

These Hawk HPS or Porterfield more for street and far far less dust? Or any suggestion for near zero or very low dust alternative?

thanks again.

ps. also your attached PDF diagram. very helpful.

 

[yao500e]

Ok guys,


I'm running some Brembo calipers on my 500e. They are the GT1 brakes (ala F-40 Ferrari and I believe this pad fits the rear GTRs and Lambo Diablo). I was a little dumb founded when i googled up the Brembo pad # 07.8645.16 which came up .... drum roll $915. Maybe they meant Yen =0). I can fairly easily get the Hawk HPS which is the carbon-ceramic street pad. HB193. I see also there is a Ferodo p/n which crosses over.

Hawks lists a bunch of different pads compounds. I see $95 for HPS and it's attractive- probably soft enough to seat on a these rotors which are the removable disc- not a hat like OEM.

Anybody with some direct experience with street/race performance pads- help!

Sincerely,

Michael

Hello Samiam, Good info as well. thank you.

My brembo pads produce ridiculous amount of dust. I am looking for good budget friendly ceramic pads to replace the brembo 07.8645.16 pads.

How are the porterfield pads so far? low dust? It seems street pads are better for us and much lower brake dust overall. thanks again

 

[TerryA]

@yao500e,
I installed the Porterfield RS-4 pads on my 500E a long time ago. Probably somewhere around 100K miles and their still going at 143K miles. They stop really well and the dust is there but very light. It wipes off my rims easily with detailer, I will be installing another set when the time comes. Price wise I'm sure they went way up in price. I think I paid around $80.00 for the fronts when I bought them but that was also a long time ago. I paid Mr, Porterfield himself since his company was located in Costa Mesa, CA. Not sure they are still in that location. I'm sure Mr. Porterfield is long passed. He was older than me at the time.

 

[yao500e]

Ok guys,


I'm running some Brembo calipers on my 500e. They are the GT1 brakes (ala F-40 Ferrari and I believe this pad fits the rear GTRs and Lambo Diablo). I was a little dumb founded when i googled up the Brembo pad # 07.8645.16 which came up .... drum roll $915. Maybe they meant Yen =0). I can fairly easily get the Hawk HPS which is the carbon-ceramic street pad. HB193. I see also there is a Ferodo p/n which crosses over.

Hawks lists a bunch of different pads compounds. I see $95 for HPS and it's attractive- probably soft enough to seat on a these rotors which are the removable disc- not a hat like OEM.

Anybody with some direct experience with street/race performance pads- help!

Sincerely,

Michael

Hello Michael. by the way, these are my GT1 brakes. I was going to install them on my E500 but i got Silver Arrow brakes instead so these went on my C36.

Are these the same as your GT1 brakes? my rotors are 2 piece slotted 332mm size.

@samiam44

 

[yao500e]

@yao500e,
I installed the Porterfield RS-4 pads on my 500E a long time ago. Probably somewhere around 100K miles and their still going at 143K miles. They stop really well and the dust is there but very light. It wipes off my rims easily with detailer, I will be installing another set when the time comes. Price wise I'm sure they went way up in price. I think I paid around $80.00 for the fronts when I bought them but that was also a long time ago. I paid Mr, Porterfield himself since his company was located in Costa Mesa, CA. Not sure they are still in that location. I'm sure Mr. Porterfield is long passed. He was older than me at the time.

Thank you @TerryA
Appreciate the recommendation. amazing story direct interactions with Mr. Porterfield.

Do you by chance know which model Porterfield RS-4 would be direct swap with Brembo pad # 07.8645.16 ?

I am looking at their website right now and trying to find it.

 

[TerryA]

@yao500e,
I wouldn’t know about the GT1 Brembo calipers. They are not stock to your C36.

My car is a stock 93 500E with the upgraded 600SL rotors and pads. All I remember is that they were the same pads used for the Ferrari Testarossa.

For your C36 I would expect that the pads would be the same as the MB GT1 that your calipers and rotors came off of. Maybe gsxr/Dave would know.

 

[Funny Bunny]

I use akebono pads. No dust at all and braking performance is excellent for street use.

 

[TerryA]

@yao500e,
I just checked out Porterfield. They are still at the same place in Costa Mesa, CA. My 93 500E pads F/R run $240.00 w/ CA tax BUT this month they have a 15% off coupon that brings them down to $204.00 w/CA tax. No shipping in that price.

IMOP, if you want the Porterfields this is the month to buy them.

 

[skikrazey]

I've been running Porterfield R4-S pads on my 92 500E with the aluminum Brembo calipers, I have them on my DD, 22 Audi SQ5, and have used them on past DDs. Love the pads, zero complaints. If I can't get Porterfield R4-S pads, Hawk is my 2nd choice. Jono recommended the Porterfield R4-S pads, so very glad he did!

 

[yao500e]

@yao500e,
I just checked out Porterfield. They are still at the same place in Costa Mesa, CA. My 93 500E pads F/R run $240.00 w/ CA tax BUT this month they have a 15% off coupon that brings them down to $204.00 w/CA tax. No shipping in that price.

IMOP, if you want the Porterfields this is the month to buy them.

thanks @TerryA
appreciate it. I'll check this out on porterfield. I gotta find the right brembo gt1 replacement pads offered by Porterfield.

 

[yao500e]

I use akebono pads. No dust at all and braking performance is excellent for street use.

Hello @Benzy Boy
I also heard great things on Akebono. I'll also check out their offerings to replace brembo GT1 pads. thank you!

 

[gsxr]

+1 on Porterfield R4-S. Main drawback is high cost, and light/moderate dust. But the pedal feel is very, very good for street use. Bedding is almost immediate.

As discussed in other threads (click here for one example), I'm not a fan of Akebono, or ANY ceramic-based compound, unless your top and only priority is extremely light dust - along with long lifespan. They have terrible feel during the bedding / break-in period, which lasts several hundred miles or more. After bedding they still don't inspire confidence, at least on any Mercedes application I've used them in. The cherry on top is the squealing which tends to occur near or below freezing temps. Living in Florida you may never have the cold squeal, so there's that. Some people really love their Bonos, but I'm not one of them.

I've heard great things about Hawk and always wanted to try them, but AFAIK they offer zero pads for any Mercedes application in the 1990's or 2000's.

 

[yao500e]

+1 on Porterfield R4-S. Main drawback is high cost, and light/moderate dust. But the pedal feel is very, very good for street use. Bedding is almost immediate.

As discussed in other threads (click here for one example), I'm not a fan of Akebono, or ANY ceramic-based compound, unless your top and only priority is extremely light dust - along with long lifespan. They have terrible feel during the bedding / break-in period, which lasts several hundred miles or more. After bedding they still don't inspire confidence, at least on any Mercedes application I've used them in. The cherry on top is the squealing which tends to occur near or below freezing temps. Living in Florida you may never have the cold squeal, so there's that. Some people really love their Bonos, but I'm not one of them.

I've heard great things about Hawk and always wanted to try them, but AFAIK they offer zero pads for any Mercedes application in the 1990's or 2000's.

appreciate you chiming in here! @gsxr

If akebono ceramic are as you say, that is worrisome. though I have heard good things.

are Hawk HPS similar to Porterfield? good street driving braking characteristics, less dust than stock?

Hawk HPS are pretty good pricing levels too.

 

[yao500e]

I've been running Porterfield R4-S pads on my 92 500E with the aluminum Brembo calipers, I have them on my DD, 22 Audi SQ5, and have used them on past DDs. Love the pads, zero complaints. If I can't get Porterfield R4-S pads, Hawk is my 2nd choice. Jono recommended the Porterfield R4-S pads, so very glad he did!

Hello @skikrazey
In terms of Hawk pads, you referring to Hawk HPS pads? thank you.

Ok guys,


I'm running some Brembo calipers on my 500e. They are the GT1 brakes (ala F-40 Ferrari and I believe this pad fits the rear GTRs and Lambo Diablo). I was a little dumb founded when i googled up the Brembo pad # 07.8645.16 which came up .... drum roll $915. Maybe they meant Yen =0). I can fairly easily get the Hawk HPS which is the carbon-ceramic street pad. HB193. I see also there is a Ferodo p/n which crosses over.

Hawks lists a bunch of different pads compounds. I see $95 for HPS and it's attractive- probably soft enough to seat on a these rotors which are the removable disc- not a hat like OEM.

Anybody with some direct experience with street/race performance pads- help!

Sincerely,

Michael

Hello Guys @gsxr @samiam44 @TerryA @Benzy Boy

I believe these are the Porterfield R4-S that fit the Brembo GT calipers:

Hawk HB193.670

Upgrade your performance with Hawk HB193.670 brake pads. For a range of vehicle Aston Martin, Jaguar, Ferrari, Dodge, Lamborghini, Audi, BMW, and Nissan.

porterfield-brakes.com

HPS for $168
Perf. Ceramic for $181

Not bad prices in my view. Very close to Hawk HPS and Akebono.

Thanks all.

 

[Funny Bunny]

The akebono's are worth the trade off of no dust. My current setup produces 0 dust. Even after 2 weeks of driving I don't have a spec of brake dust on my wheels and I can simply clean them with gentle car shampoo.

The braking performance isn't mind blowing but it does the job well. It definitely rivals OEM mercedes pads with less than 1% of the dust. I can't speak on any other performance pads though. I like the feeling of ceramic brakes because they are so smooth and don't cause the car to jerk even if you accidentally brake hard but they still stop you in time despite this.

 

[szvook]

When ordering the R4-S pads from Porterfield (for an 036 with the Silver Arrow brake kit), tell them to have all 4 sensors holes drilled near the backing plates only and this is only for the front pads AP847. This might delay the order a bit. The rear AP603 pads are ok as is.

For stock E500E front brakes running R4-S pads, the same 4 sensors holes drilled near the backing plates applies.

Bedding procedure from Porterfield.

 

[szvook]

I paid Mr, Porterfield himself since his company was located in Costa Mesa, CA. Not sure they are still in that location.

If you were at their location at 1767 Placentia Ave, then they are still at that same location. I wish they were open on Saturday's, as my brother now lives in Newport Beach and I could stop by and pick up the brake pads when I’m visiting him.

 

[skikrazey]

Yao, I have used both Hawk HPS and LTS pads with no issues. I liked the pads very much. I'll 2nd what GSXR said about the Porterfield R4-S pads. That is why I like them better than the Hawk pads.

I do not like Ferodo pads at all.

As far as Akebono, they are OEM on many Japanese cars. I have used them on several family Subaru & Honda vehicles with no issues. I would not use them on German vehicles.

 

[Funny Bunny]

Yao, I have used both Hawk HPS and LTS pads with no issues. I liked the pads very much. I'll 2nd what GSXR said about the Porterfield R4-S pads. That is why I like them better than the Hawk pads.

I do not like Ferodo pads at all.

As far as Akebono, they are OEM on many Japanese cars. I have used them on several family Subaru & Hinda vehicles with no issues. I would not use them on German vehicles.

Why wouldn’t you use them on a german vehicle?

 

[skikrazey]

Benzy, based on the threads here, GSXR's link in post #19 for example. Not saying Akebono is bad, IMHO there are better pads than Akebono. Over the years, I have used many OEM pads as well as pads from the OEM supplier. By far, Porterfield & Hawk pads have been the best pads I have used.
I have found German cars to be picky about what parts are used on them.