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HOW-TO: Mercedes-Benz EPC 101

gerryvz

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This is intended to be a series on how to use the Mercedes-Benz Electronic Parts Catalog (EPC). The parts of the series will be cumulative in terms of building on past knowledge. I'll structure this as EPC 101, Intermediate EPC 201 and Advanced EPC 301.

This is the first installment in the series. Note that you will need to have access to the EPC. The easiest way, for US residents, is to use the "free" EPC that is provided by MBUSA through its web site at http://epc.startekinfo.com You will need to sign up for this, using a debit or credit cars (which MB doesn't charge) so that they know you are a real person.

The EPC for US models is free; the EPC for US + rest-of-world models is $12 annually. For most folks, the US EPC should be fine. Because I own a gray-market G320, and often do comparisons on parts between US and non-US models, I always spring for the $12 EPC. But for 90% of owners, the free EPC is all you need for looking up parts and diagrams.

Some countries (for example, Germany) also have low-cost EPCs available through MB in their respective countries; others seem to be rather out of luck. But you should check with MB and perhaps do some research as to the availability of the official EPC in your area.

It is NOT advised to use non-MB EPC sources, such as the Russian VIN and "neoriginal.ru" sites. These are not updated and often provide inaccurate, garbled or wrong information -- sometimes nothing at all. At least with the officially available MB EPCs, they are updated as often as MB updates them - often weekly or monthly.

Another option would be to get an EPC on CD or DVD through eBay or other sources (a GVZ-approved source, free, is here). If you have questions about this, contact me. The advantage to these EPCs that you can load on your computer is that they are somewhat faster than the "online" EPCs that are available through MB. However, they are only snapshots of the EPC at one point in time, so they can potentially get out of date as the months and years go by. For the most part, though, they remain accurate for the task of looking up part numbers; if a part number has been removed or superseded, it is likely that the dealer/source where it's being ordered will inform you of the supercession and/or part number changeover.

Please click on each of the images below to bring them to an appropriate and readable size.


So, now let's get started with our EPC 101 course: "EPC 101: Introduction to the Mercedes-Benz Electronic Parts Catalog"

When you fire up your locally hosted EPC, or access it via MB's on-line site, this is the screen that you will see. Often a small box with a question pops up on screen when you first start up; you can dismiss this question. Sometimes it is fun to see the answers if you are in a curious mood, but when you are ready to do business, this is the screen that you will see.
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From there, you will want to enter the VIN number of the vehicle that you want to look up parts for. The best thing to do is to enter the entire VIN; however you can also go more generic and enter a plain number such as "124036" for the 500E, or "124034" for the E420.

Entering your car's specific VIN provides much more specificity in terms of the exact parts on your vehicle, which is very often quite important. A more generic number can be less specific and more confusing, and/or lead to errors in specifying parts unless you are VERY careful.

If you have multiple cars, or enter multiple VINs into the EPC over time, it will remember them for faster reference on later visits to the EPC. It does this via a "drop-down" menu at the upper left side of the window. This comes in very handy. You can also "erase" stored VINs by selecting the red "X" on the right side of the drop-down menu.

Here's an example of a drop-down menu with both specific and generic VINs listed:
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Another major benefit of entering specific VINs into the EPC, is that the system will then make the factory data card available to the user. Entering a generic number ("124036") won't provide the data cards. The data card, as you know, provides the car's options and and paint codes, engine/transmission/steering box numbers, and other production information.

The availability of the data card is shown by a small icon in the row of icons at the top right of the screen. Below are icons that show the non-availability (gray with red "X") and availability (blue) of a data card for a specific VIN.
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After you enter a VIN or generic model number, you will be presented with a series of menus at the top of the screen that require you to select options - these are often requesting more specific information on engine options (for example, the international EPC will sometimes ask for US or European versions of the car and/or engine). So you will want to make the appropriate selections in the drop-down menus as they are presented.

Then you will reach the main drop-down menu that has the descriptions of the car's systems. This will be under the "GROUP" menu. This is where experience pays off, because it's where you will select the particular physical portion or system on the car where you want to find the part for.

So you select the "GROUP" and if presented, the "SUBGROUP" buttons, and the appropriate drop-down menus will emerge. See the images below.
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For the purposes of illustration, I'm going to select the ENGINE group, and then the COOLING SYSTEM sub-group. Then I select the "EXPANSION TANK" parts diagram, all from successive drop-down menus. The diagram below is what I am presented after doing this.
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This is an overall view of the car's parts relating to the expansion tank. On the right is the system diagram; on the left is the list of parts with numbers that correspond to the numbers attached to each part in the diagram. You have the ability to zoom in and out on this diagram if needed.

From there, you can select single or multiple parts by clicking on the part diagram, or better yet on the reference number for that part. When you do that, it eliminates all of the other part numbers and descriptions on the left side of the screen, and just retains the part reference number, the actual MB part number (the XXX XXX XX XX) number, and the verbal description of the part (which is usually, but not always, helpful). To select multiple parts, you just select more reference numbers, and more descriptions will re-appear back on the left side of the screen. To de-select them, just click on the highlighted number again, and it will be removed.

Selected part reference numbers will be shown by a blue box around the reference number, as shown below.
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Here's what the description for the highliged part looks like, on the left side of the screen.
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If you see reference numbers in the diagram that have gray shading around them, it indicates that specific part is NOT APPLICABLE to the vehicle that you are looking up parts for. This is particularly true if you have entered the complete VIN number; generic model indicators are less specific with this graying out of parts. Here's what it looks like.
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And here's what the full EPC screen looks like with a part number highlighted, and the part description showing for that part on the left side of the screen.
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Part Two of this course entails performing a simple "reverse parts lookup" search. Parts Search is a function that you will use frequently as you become more familiar with the EPC and how it works.

A "reverse parts lookup" search allows you to specify a part number, and the EPC will show you all MB car models and/or engines that used that specific part. This allows you to see if a particular part was used across multiple MB models .. so for example, if you have a 500E Base Module CAN computer, you can use this function to see whether other MB models also used that same computer, for example the 400E/E420. This can be very valuable information to know. This specific search doesn't require you to enter a car's VIN into the system to perform the search.

In addition, there are several different types of other part searches available with the EPC, which will be detailed as we go through the Intermediate and Advanced courses. But the reverse parts lookup search is useful.

To initiate the Search function, go to the top of the screen and click on "Search." Then, select "Part" in the drop-down menu. A small window will pop up in the middle of your screen, which you can see below.
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Here's a close-up of the Search window that appears. Click on the second tab that reads "Part Without Vehicle Data"
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After you do that, you'll see the window change format, with a white blank with an "A" at the beginning of it. This is where you will type in the specific part number you are looking to cross-reference across MB models. As our first example, let's use the above-mentioned 500E/E500 coolant expansion tank, which is part number 124 500 15 49.

Type that part number into the search box, as shown below. Leave the "A" in place, and type the part number AFTER the "A." Then hit the "ENTER" key.
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The following should pop up. These search results detail all of the different models and variants of MB cars in which that part appears (or appeared). In the case of this expansion tank, it is only the W124 V-8 (500E, 400E, E500, E420) models - no others. You can see that it is specified for three different markets' cars -- USA, Japan and "rest of world" models of the .036 and .034.
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Let's change gears and do another reverse parts lookup search. This time, we'll do it for the oil filter of the 560SEC. Let's type that part number into the EPC search blank, and see what models of MBs that this oil filter was and is specified for. The part number for that oil filter is 001 184 64 25.

The results show that this oil filter is specified and appropriate for a multitude of M116 and M117 model engines, and scrolling down, even shows some M110 twin-cam inline-six motors !!
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Wow...popular filter !!! You can see the individual engine model numbers "117" and then the sub-designations "968" which denote the displacement and specific model application of that motor. If you click on the "116" button as shown in the diagram, it will take you to the actual engine diagram (similar to the expansion tank system diagram above) of the engine oil filter, housing, and related hardware that attach it to the engine block for that specific engine.


That about covers things for the EPC 101 class.

I hope you have found this to be helpful.

Cheers,
Gerry
 
HOW-TO: Mercedes-Benz EPC 102

The next installment in the EPC 101 course is EPC 102: Accessing and Reading EPC-based MB Data Cards

This short course will give you a specific overview of the vehicle data cards that are accessed specifically through the MB EPC, and allows you to interpret and leverage the data that is found on the data cards.

As mentioned previously, when a data card is available, the EPC indicates it by "lighting up" the icon below, as shown.
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When you click on that icon, the vehicle's data card will show up via a pop-up window in the center of the screen. Below is an example of what appears.
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Here is a quality reproduction of my car's original paper data card, for comparison purposes.
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This is the main informational screen of the data card. Let's dive a bit deeper into the various components of this main screen of the data card. There are six main components I'll talk about here; I have lettered them A through F.
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We will go through the sections sequentially.

A. — Chassis number and US VIN. These are the official numbers that MB used to identify the specific chassis number, and the US-market VIN that was assigned to the car. For non-US models, normally the chassis number is considered more or less the same as the VIN. The dissection of what these numbers means is covered elsewhere on this site, so there is no reason to repeat that information here.

B. — Data Card Menu. This menu allows you to toggle between the four informational views on the data card. It is not part of the data card itself; but rather, part of the EPC data structure and presentation layer.

C. — Sales Designation. This is the Mercedes-Benz model type which the vehicle was sold as. In my case, it was an "E500" and on earlier cars, it would have read "500 E"

D. — Paint Code and Equipment Codes. This is the section of the data card that details the paint codes of the vehicle. In this particular case, it shows "199" which is the color code for my Pearl Black paint (although the text after the main paint code doesn't make much sense; as sometimes is typical with the EPC data cards); and it also shows "271," which is the interior upholstery color code (which in my case is black leather).

E. — Engine and Transmission Numbers. These are the serial numbers of the engine and 722.3 transmission, as the vehicle was originally equipped with. Important to note, in case you want to determine whether your original units were ever replaced.

F. — SA Codes. These are the option codes for the individual equipment that the vehicle was equipped with from the factory.


Moving ahead, if you click the second item ("SA Code") on the Data Card Menu ("B" above), you will see the following view.
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This "SA Code" screen provides the same numeric codes as found in section "F" above, but attempts to provide English translations of each of the codes. Often, errors in the EPC only provide partial or inaccurate descriptions, so you have to take this at times, with a bit of a grain of salt. However, generally it is an OK reference.


The "SA Numbers" label on the Data Card Menu takes you to the following screen. This shows the numbers that correspond to the SA codes, and the buttons that show the codes will take you to specific EPC sections (part diagrams) on the car's systems that correspond to that SA Number. This is of only limited use.
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The last ("Other") item in the Data Card Menu simply shows the type of headlights and headlight windshield wiper that the vehicle was originally equipped with. For all USA-spec .036 models, this should be "BOSCH" for both.
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There are a few actions and operations that you can do with the EPC Data Card — probably the most useful of which is to print it out for your records, particularly if you don't have a copy of your paper data card. You can click on the "printer" icon at the top right side of the data card, and if your printer is hooked up to the computer, it will print a one-page text version of the data card to the printer. The illustration below shows the print menu options.
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One thing to note -- while most of the important information is found in all data cards, including the VIN, chassis, engine, transmission, SA codes, paint codes and other numbers, some specific data cards do have additional information provided over others. However, this is not consistent and there does not seem to be a specific pattern to this incremental information disclosure. The data card illustration used here, which is that of my own car, is extremely typical of most all .036 data cards.

That concludes our short-course on exploring the EPC electronic data card.

Cheers,
Gerry
 
Re: HOW-TO: Mercedes-Benz EPC 102

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Seems the civilian EPC is different from the Dealer EPC I have.

Odd...............




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Gerry, I appreciate the tutorial and hope to be able to use it but, I'm on a Mac....

What is the best ( not necessarily cheapest) way to get to the EPC with my Mac?

Thanks
 
Thanks for the info Gerry. I use EPC all the time but have not spent the time to learn all the different features. I like using the SA code when shopping online for vehicles. Usually provides better options info than indy dealers write-ups.
 
Re: HOW-TO: Mercedes-Benz EPC 102

The last ("Other") item in the Data Card Menu simply shows the type of headlights and headlight wipers
that the vehicle was originally equipped with. For all .036 models, this should be "BOSCH" for both.
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Cheers,
Gerry
Your correct about the lamps Bosch in this example.

However, the wiper is the main wiper for the windscreen or pane wiper.

That's because the wiper motor must match the gearing/linkage assembly.

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Gerry, I appreciate the tutorial and hope to be able to use it but, I'm on a Mac....

What is the best ( not necessarily cheapest) way to get to the EPC with my Mac?

Thanks

This EPC I was using WAS running on a Mac. Go to the link I mentioned (GVZ approved) and I've got a solution for Mac and Windows owners that works.

If you look at the file names of the screen shots I took you will see that they are Mac screen shots.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Re: HOW-TO: Mercedes-Benz EPC 102

That is a display anomaly with the version of Internet Exploder that is installed on the virtual machine that I have installed. Sometimes it doesn't display the "bubbles" and the links look like regular text - no rhyme or reason to it.

Also, this is a "snapshot" version of the EPC from mid-2013.


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Seems the civilian EPC is different from the Dealer EPC I have.

Odd...............




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Just the course I needed to take. EPC101!

Thanks for your putting this together as I am constantly at a loss in navigating the EPC.
 
Any update on a content outline and/or syllabus for EPC 201, Vader ?!? Stuff you think would be important to communicate in an "Intermediate" class with regard to using the EPC?:detective:
 
Any update on a content outline and/or syllabus for EPC 201, Vader ?!? Stuff you think would be important to communicate in an "Intermediate" class with regard to using the EPC?:detective:

Actually, yes.

Something on how to find parts that are no where near the components they should be shown with.

I'll pull up an example and PM you the details. That's the one thing I get the most PM's about
is members can't find a particular part.
 
Yep, screen shot.

On my OS windows 8.1 it's called a "snipping tool". It's a png

Looks like this, and is what I do. Add into e-mail as an attachment
or if you have outlook, click on insert the picture inline.


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This EPC I was using WAS running on a Mac. Go to the link I mentioned (GVZ approved) and I've got a solution for Mac and Windows owners that works.

If you look at the file names of the screen shots I took you will see that they are Mac screen shots.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks, I have it running on my Mac now.
 
Gerry, anyway to keep the java version up to date and use windows 8.1? Would love to put the epc on a machine I can be safe with, not running Java 6.
 
I don't know. I prefer the lower overhead of Windows XP, and I have things on a very stable platform, so I don't mess with them. Java and the EPC are notoriously finicky running together, and constantly upgrading one's version of Java and operating system is a recipe for eventually "breaking" the EPC install. MB tends to run 2-5 years behind the "state of the art" when it comes to the EPC and its underlying software.

This is why Virtual Machines work so well - it's a snapshot, and works, guaranteed, 100% of the time.
 
I think most Java updates are just opportunities to load crap on your computer. Be careful when loading it and don't allow all the crap to load just Java.
 
Any secret to getting VMware to recognize a wireless printer? I would like to be able to print from WIS.
 
Thank you for the excellent tutorial! I have tried to navigate the EPC many times and this makes it easier to do for sure.

QUESTION: A test search for intake scoop (124 528 09 04). The diagram comes up and looks correct. When I click the part it brought up the message "***Item no. not valid for this model des.". We all know that these are available...so maybe an old part number...? Wouldn't there be a link to a new one though?
 
no...go to the first tab and it looks like the M119 air cleaner assy. Click on the right/left tubes. I can't seem to paste my screen shot like you...?
 
no...go to the first tab and it looks like the M119 air cleaner assy. Click on the right/left tubes. I can't seem to paste my screen shot like you...?

Use the search on you OS, type in snip.

That the snip tool or screen shot I use


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After you click on air cleaner, it's page2 for the 124

First page is for the 129/140
 
Use the search on you OS, type in snip.

That the snip tool or screen shot I use


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I can do that but I can't figure out how to paste into this window. Do I have to save the snip or screen shot and post to another site like Photobucket? That seems very clunky to me. Looked all over the forum for a copy/paste FAQ...?

I see that page two is correct then but just shows the right side of the entire assy.
 
You can do either, photobucket is how I post the large shots.

Or manage attachments will allow you to upload right from your computer

But yes, you need to save it, I clear what it says and name the images
 
FWIW, just bought a surface pro with win 8.1 pro, EPC runs right out of the box on that machine, go figure.
 
This is a wonderful tutorial! I've never knew that a general consumer would have access to such detailed info/schematics/part numbers. I don't even have to rely on a shop to "help" me decide which part that I need. I research myself, find the part/number, order it and have them use their facilities to install said part. In the end, I get exactly what I expected!!

I wish I could something similar that I could use for Toyota and Chevy/GMC!
 
Yep, screen shot.

On my OS windows 8.1 it's called a "snipping tool". It's a png

Looks like this, and is what I do. Add into e-mail as an attachment
or if you have outlook, click on insert the picture inline.


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OK, is there a way to email a shopping list that contains a few hundred items ? I printed it out and it can to 3 pages (so far).

Thanks,

Ron
 
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OK, is there a way to email a shopping list that contains a few hundred items ? I printed it our and it can to 3 pages (so far).
Print to PDF file and then attach the PDF to email. You will either need Adobe Acrobat Standard or Pro (not Reader, the full Acrobat) or one of the freeware PDF maker thingys available on the interwebs. You can get a legit older version of Acrobat Standard at a reasonable price, if you don't want to fiddle with the freeware stuff, which always makes me nervous. No need for the latest if you just want basic PDF creation/edit capability.

:matrix:
 
There is also CutePDF for free, which would really be more fitting for you Ron. :hearts:

LOL, I get the humor but beware CutePDF will download spam and plug-ins. A "bug-free" online PDF converter is Online2pdf.com. It limits your daily uploads, however. Bonus is that it will convert .xps files.
 
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