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M119/m117 hybrid single distributor swap and freshen

Rwd4evr

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I have a m119.960(a few actually) that's been waiting for me and my skills to be ready to use it. It's going in my new drift car build, still not fully decided on a r107 or a w114 coupe(frame rails are a problem for a V8) with a mustang t5 trans. Actually not a super complicated swap if you have a mill. The 722.3 auto bellhousing (with machining) and all the mustang parts are somehow magically dimensionally basically perfect.
It was a running driving car before the PO parted it and I picked up the drivetrain. I'm going to be doing the m117 560sl timing cover swap to run a single distributor and run a k-jet fuel system for simplicity and reliability. My current 450slc drift car has been amazingly reliable for 7 years of merciless beatings but it's time for more power and a from scratch chassis build with a full cage.
I'm very m117 familiar and I've done lots of research over the years on this and just started my refresher course on it. I'll be checking the chain stretch at 45° to see how that looks. I will obviously be getting a full gasket set and o rings but I'm trying to get a solid opinion on the timing chain guides. Do these guides go brittle like a m117 with age? I think this engine is just under 100,000 miles, but I have a 3000 mile warranty parts engine that blew a head gasket and they found a bubble in the casting on the deck surface. A tech got it and it sat in his garage in a bag since 93 or something. It's spotless inside. I was thinking about using the factory stuff rather than a bunch of febi guides. Any opinion on that idea or anything to watch out for with the cover swap?
Here's a pic of the bellhousing near finish machined for the manual swap. Waiting for the .625" plate that will be bolted on and register into the pump bore to arrive. I can go into details on that if anyone is interested in swapping an alloy m117 or 119 car.
I also just finished a timing freshen up and minor port clean up on a 117.967 560sl engine with a custom rear plate to run the iron block 350sl manual trans that's in the 450slc to hold me over while I build the new car. Almost finished reassembly on that, it's going in the car shortly.
 

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So what about the guides? The ones I see for sale are not the same plastic as the m117 parts. Do they still age and crap out or are the super low mileage ones I have that have been in a engine that's been idle for 30+ years good? Can't be worse than ones that are also 30+ and have 100,000 on them right? Are they better than febi brand new? Most are cheap but the 100 banana is tough to swallow if it's not any better than what I have.
 
No it uses m119 guides. The m117 timing case is the same internally but has a provision for a single conventional distributor. All of the timing/guide parts are m119 and are not interchangeable. M117 white plastic guides get brittle and brown over time. The m119 guides are dark from the factory. So I'm trying to find out if they are an improved material that doesnt just get weak from sitting there like the m117 parts. I can get mostly Mercedes parts but I'm building a racecar and if I don't need to spend a couple hundred bucks on guides(since I have 3000 mile factory parts from 1991) it will gladly find another home. I need a clutch and 50 other things for the car.
 
Interesting. I wasn't aware febi just boxed things. I don't buy that much febi stuff really though. I'm having trouble finding some timing parts at all.
A1190500116 sliding rail
A1190520083 slider flat replaceable part

I'm also wondering if anyone has an m119 manual that has a decent oil flow diagram? I'm pretty sure I'm going to need to do a remote filter mount unless I can run a m117 r/c107 oil filter housing, but it doesn't look promising.
 
Interesting. I wasn't aware febi just boxed things. I don't buy that much febi stuff really though.
it’s spelled out here and also in many threads here on the forum about parts suppliers.

You can learn more if you use the search function with the phrase “febi russian roulette” … because with many Febi boxed parts, you don’t actually know what is going to be in that red and white box. It could range from an actual MB OE part with the star ground off, to the cheapest oiliest smelliest Chinese rubber product that will pollute your trash can with off-gas.


 
I have a m119.960(a few actually) that's been waiting for me and my skills to be ready to use it. It's going in my new drift car build, still not fully decided on a r107 or a w114 coupe(frame rails are a problem for a V8) with a mustang t5 trans. Actually not a super complicated swap if you have a mill. The 722.3 auto bellhousing (with machining) and all the mustang parts are somehow magically dimensionally basically perfect.
It was a running driving car before the PO parted it and I picked up the drivetrain. I'm going to be doing the m117 560sl timing cover swap to run a single distributor and run a k-jet fuel system for simplicity and reliability. My current 450slc drift car has been amazingly reliable for 7 years of merciless beatings but it's time for more power and a from scratch chassis build with a full cage.
I'm very m117 familiar and I've done lots of research over the years on this and just started my refresher course on it. I'll be checking the chain stretch at 45° to see how that looks. I will obviously be getting a full gasket set and o rings but I'm trying to get a solid opinion on the timing chain guides. Do these guides go brittle like a m117 with age? I think this engine is just under 100,000 miles, but I have a 3000 mile warranty parts engine that blew a head gasket and they found a bubble in the casting on the deck surface. A tech got it and it sat in his garage in a bag since 93 or something. It's spotless inside. I was thinking about using the factory stuff rather than a bunch of febi guides. Any opinion on that idea or anything to watch out for with the cover swap?
Here's a pic of the bellhousing near finish machined for the manual swap. Waiting for the .625" plate that will be bolted on and register into the pump bore to arrive. I can go into details on that if anyone is interested in swapping an alloy m117 or 119 car.
I also just finished a timing freshen up and minor port clean up on a 117.967 560sl engine with a custom rear plate to run the iron block 350sl manual trans that's in the 450slc to hold me over while I build the new car. Almost finished reassembly on that, it's going in the car shortly.
Ooh goody! I'm gonna pull a chair for this one. You already know how I feel- screw the "can't" and start doin! I look forward to this! Just keep posted on what gets cut for the 960!
 

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