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Hey all, hope everyone is well, been away in the UAE recently and not been able to post as much as i'd like to. As some members are aware I came out here to work long term but recently have been asked to move back to our London office to work on a new project.

Anyway, just after I left the UK I sold the apple of my eye - my 92 500e - I was approached by a massive car enthusiast who wanted it - as you could expect I instantly regretted it :wallbash: Unfortunatly I didn't have access to a garage at the time to store it and was being posted out here for the next few years at least. I did consider bringing it out here but the costs associated and the extremely hot summers did not make it worth it. Plus the heater matrix packed up and the AC was dead so it needed serious money throwing at it - of which I was actually willing to get sorted.

As i've been asked to come back to London I immediately thought of my 500E and the words 'why did I sell it?!' began to ring in my ears - my car was a result of searching for years and finally came across a rust free example and went through it, replacing lots and lots of parts with genuine MB bits (Terry at WG will tell you). Doh!

Anyway, fast forward a few days and I begin searching for another 500E, this time I wanted an E500 Limited. I nearly bought one in Japan but the deal fell through with additional costs it started becoming silly expensive. Anyway, the real requirement was that the car had to be black, rust free and in reasonably good condition. I have lots of experience with W124/500E's so I am willing to get my hands dirty and get things fixed (and of course, send it to Terry when I can't!).

Randomly scouring the every car website on the planet, I came across a nice 1992 500E in black, based in the UK. Turns out the seller is the same guy that sold me my silver car! (result!). Got straight on the blower, spoke at length about the car and thrashed out a deal. Deposit is down, car secured and ready for me to collect just after xmas. I'm over the moon and very lucky to have come across this motor.

Right, onto the car itself. It's a 1992 500E pre-facelift with a good service record, recent import from Japan. Interestingly this is a Japan originally supplied car from factory so has the indicators on the wings and lack of S/W mode on the gearbox. I think the Japan cars also had an oil cooler fitted from factory. The car should be 199 black but looks 040 in the photos, probably been repainted but the seller assures me it's mint and is a very good job if it has been painted. Also said it's like brand-new underneath, which was certainly the case with the last car I bought from him.

I think it'll need a few grand thrown at it as most of them have deferred maintenance (old at the end of the day) but lessons have been learnt from the last project and as a benefit I have tonnes of parts left over. This car will take a similar stance to the last one, replacement of anything suspect or old with original MB parts and add OEM+ touches onto the car. Don't want to detract from the originality of the car nor try to make it something it isn't.

Comments welcome. Photos below.:


I won't be going mad with this one mod wise. On the list:

- Orange indicators and tail lights
- Wood/leather steering wheel (smaller, sportline wheel)
- Tidy the interior, new mats, refinish any cracked wood, deep clean on carpets
- Full service and refresh of most consumables (including dizzy caps, arms, ignition cables, etc etc)
- Flush of all the fluids (brake, coolant, SLS)
- Nice set of AMG split alloys (I love the AMG I's off the R129) with Michelin tyres
- H&R suspension spring kit
- Uprated brake discs, pads and steel brake lines fitted (SL silver arrow kit if I can get one)
- Replacement of the entire exhaust system including fitment of front sport cats and bypass rear resonator

I suppose other things will probably pop up but thats all I can think of at the moment. If things like AC don't work and tracking needs doing i'll just get that sort of stuff done.

Cheers,

Bill
 

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Nice car there Bill,hope you have lots of fun with it.

Where is the "japan version" oil cooler located? My car is also from japan you see,i'd like to check this.
 
Nice car there Bill,hope you have lots of fun with it.

Where is the "japan version" oil cooler located? My car is also from japan you see,i'd like to check this.
Cars originally imported to Japan did not have the oil cooler... same as USA cars. I believe USA and Japan received basically the same configuration (no oil cooler, no E/S switch, same/smaller brakes, etc) compared to the Euro models. Seems MB felt that since nobody could drive fast in USA or Japan, those items weren't needed.

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Bill,

Nice looking car.

I like the wheels and the color matched bottom. I'm partial to 040 but your right about it looking 040 in the pics. In fact it looks great.

The engine bay looks pretty neat as well.

I was in the UK for the first half of Sept including 4 days in London. I drove everywhere but London. Still fighting 2 cheeky tickets. To many dam cameras.
On one of my visits I should look some of you Brits up.

Good Luck w/ your new ride.
 
Shame you have to go back Bill, guess you're glad you didn't buy a car in the UAE?

The '92 looks great, [FONT=Roboto, arial, sans-serif]black and [/FONT]pre-facelift, with original indicators and rear lights it'll look superb!

Tom
 
Shame you have to go back Bill, guess you're glad you didn't buy a car in the UAE?

The '92 looks great, black and pre-facelift, with original indicators and rear lights it'll look superb!

Tom
Tom,

Great talking to you - would be good to meet before I leave. Yeah - should look slick with the original indis put back in.

Very glad - however I think I could have imported an E500 back if I needed to.

Bill
 
Congrats, the paint looks quite nice.

Does the UK require amber side marker or indicator lenses?
 
Congrats, the paint looks quite nice.

Does the UK require amber side marker or indicator lenses?
No the UK doesn't. I prefer the amber with black though. I have bought some AMG/OZ alloys off a friend now so they'll be completely refurbished and fitted along with the lowering springs.

Don't gave anymore plans for it really. Just enjoy it as it is. Decided not to bother with big brake kits etc. I'll buy an M3 for that sort of stuff - Haha.
 
Nice car ! looks mint like most of the Japan cars ! I personally like these Lorinser wheels (something new and fresh in my eyes).

I would strongly recommend you to remove paint (make them look unpainted) bumper impact strips cuz it is pre face lifted car.

Otherwise you are on the right way to bring it back to its original glory .
 
Hey all,

Finally got the car on the 26th. I wasn't in the best of moods when the seller rang saying the car is not running right and can't really be driven. I had however learnt lessons off the old car and suggested the fuel pressure regulator was replaced. As he had a 500SL next to it he swapped over the part and voila most the problems went away. She was still misfiring quite badly when hot but removing the distributor caps revealed lots of moisture. Also swapped these over and the car now runs great.

On the plus side the car comes with a full service history and full set of keys along with all the manuals and service receipts! Can't believe it, history from 900km in 1992 to 240,000km now. The car now has approx 245,000km on the clock. This is very rare for Japan and service stamps at the same place show it could have been a 1 owner car. I even have the original bags and accessories from Yanese who supplied the car in Japan along with the Becker radio booklets and codes. Fantastic history !

So after checking chassis and engine numbers and confirming the car really was a 500e with the 'right stuff' under the good, the deal was done and I began my trip down South. Always nerve wrecking in a new car but I have breakdown cover worst comes to worst (not that I want to use it). Luckily she ran beautifully the whole 300 miles back to London. I did have an issue with the throttle towards the end of my journey but it seems to have sorted itself out now (for the time being). Love this car more than the last one, can't beat an old school Merc in black and she is in fantastic condition, I think the whole car has been painted in the past as I cannot fault it. Anyway, I’ve given it an oil change along with air filters and plugs when I got it home. I am back off to Dubai shortly so will leave it parked up for a few months until I get back. I took the alloys off as they were clearly too big and wrong for the car and fitted a set of period AMG/OZ 17" rims from Pupsi as he sold his E500. Also picked up a MB OEM fridge and some LED rears, no plans to use the LED rears though so give me a shout if you're interested in them for your w124.

After driving the car around a fair bit I’ve noticed a few issues which need sorting. The steering is creaky (any ideas?), alloys are bent on the lips so vibrate on the motorway, exhaust pipe needs tidying (I have bypassed the back box and fitted a fabricated pipe - sounds fantastic!), rear boot light doesn't work, drivers sun visor light doesn't work, car needs full laser wheel alignment and it certainly needs a tune up from a service point of view. The iconic SLS has been deleted (doh :wallbash:) in favour of a brand new set of Bilstein high performance shocks all around. I'm considering refitting the SLS shocks and getting new ones from MB as all the pipework exists so it shouldn't be too difficult to put back to stock. I like keeping cars original.

In way of modifications the car has uprated suspension, set of bi-xenon / HID headlights, aftermarket flip out Panasonic TV/DVD stereo, retrofitted air conditioner in the rear parcel shelf, aftermarket LCD sun visor and a few other camera detectors etc. which are content in speaking Japanese while I’m driving. I think mostly all of this will come out but that is a job for summer when the weather is nice in exchange for a simple and period-looking Bluetooth stereo, Rainbow speakers and a nice subwoofer. Apart from this, the car is remarkably original.

Once I’m back the first thing to do will be to have the car booked into a specialist who can look over the entire car, bushes etc. and come up with a plan to have it mechanically sound and strong. I aim to replace anything looking tired.

At the moment, the plans for the car are as follows:

Service parts - all genuine MB parts

Fuel filter
Distributor caps
Rotor arms
Distributor insulator caps
Engine intake hoses
Distributor cap covers
Ignition lead set
SLS fluid tank and accessories
Coil leads
Gearbox mount
Wiper blade
Rear boot trim plastic (current cracked)
Airbox rear bolts
Airbox front clips
Rear backbox bolts and gasket
Dipstick
Brake discs
Brake pads
Brake sensors
Headlight wiper blades
Set of nib 1 spring pads

Other parts (non MB genuine)


Deerfield metal brake hoses
ITG airbox filters

Work to do

Replace coolant
Repace brake fluid and full bleed of the system
Replace differential oil
Repace gearbox oil and filter
Repair front and rear console wood trims due to cracks
Repair leather peel on centre console box and driver’s door panel
Repair drivers side mirror handle (snapped off)
Replace gearknob
Replace steering wheel with leather/wood wheel
Replace fuses with brass ones
Fit orange indicators, side repeaters and rear lenses
Fit rear LED number plate bulbs
Fit short number plate for rear
Fit ASR defeat kit - mount switch in centre console
Fit H&R lowering springs
Fit metal brake hoses
Fix boot light (does not work)
Fix drivers sun visor light (does not work)
Fix wheel alignment
Investigate steering issue

As I will be getting the wheels completely split and refurbished (black centres with polished lips and black bolts), I will also be getting a few other bits done and few areas of the car painted in the body colour at the same time while the car is in the body shop:

Bodyshop work


Paint headlight wipers
Paint grill insert
Fit, paint and wire in rear spoiler (Lorinser item, has brake light)
Fit and paint rear plastic boot trim
Refurbish split AMG OZ alloys - colour coded centes and polished outers with black bolts.
Fit new tyres (I like Michelin - suggested tyre sizes are 245/45 and 275/40 so this will most likely be Michelin PS3 and PS2 respectively for front and rear)
Fit H&R lowering springs
Fit nib 1 spring pads
Repaint front and rear brake callipers and backing plates black to freshen them up

Once this is all done the car should be looking really good - I aim to have this lot all done over the summer (ambitious I know) but I like to work on my cars quickly and have them ready ASAP. Please post your comments and suggestions, looking forward to hearing them :thumb:

Not managed to take any decent photos unfortunately. Weather has been horrendous + black car means I've not had a chance. I will do though once the weather improves. :D

Cheers,

Bill
 
Seems like you're back to to square one , Bill. So long as you are enjoying tinkering that's all that matters I guess.

So who bought you're old silver one ?
 
Seems like you're back to to square one , Bill. So long as you are enjoying tinkering that's all that matters I guess.

So who bought you're old silver one ?
Cheers Bing - tinkering with these cars is the best part of ownership. Yes, back to square one but glad to be in a black car this time.

Collector from Isle of Wight bought my silver car - he will be restoring the car and finishing what I didn't get time to. I don't think he has driven the car though and it's been in storage since he bought it from me.
 
Right guys time for an update on the 500E. Attended the meet at MB World the other day and I was lucky to see such amazing machines there - the drive home with a souped up E320 Coupe was also interesting 1.gif

Anyway back onto the car. I've been driving the car much more recently and as it doesn't seem to have any misfiring or hesitancy issues (touch wood!) I've decided not to change out the distributor caps and rotor arms. The MB parts are expensive and I only want to replace them with the genuine parts. Too much of a hit and miss with Beru (rubbish) and Bosch (ok but depends where you source them).

Might aswell begin with work completed to date since purchase on 26 December 2015:

- Several oil changes with genuine MB filters
- Ignition leads replaced
- Air filters replaced
- Engine intake hoses replaced
- Distributor cap covers replaced
- SLS fluid tank and accessories replaced
- Windscreen and headlight wipers replaced
- Airbox clips and rear bobbins fitted
- Dipstick replaced
- Steering wheel replaced with Victor unit
- Gearknob and gaitor replaced
- Centre wood box replaced (thanks Dee!)
- Number plates replaced / PP fitted
- LED number plate bulbs fitted
- Stereo replaced with a modern Alpine unit, sub fitted and wired through the car (still need to fit my Rainbow speakers in the front).

Fair bit of work done already but hardly scratching the surface imo. I've found the handling and steering 'wooly' and also have not gone through the fluids etc soon. The brakes are atrocious and the ball joints are making noise. Safe to say the motor needs some mechanical tlc asap...

I've booked the car in with Terry at Wayne Gates MB servicing to have the following done:

- Replace coolant
- Replace brake fluid and full bleed of the system
- Replace differential oil
- Repace gearbox oil and filter
- Replace brake discs/pads/sensors/brake hoses
- Replace fuel filter
- Replace all the crankshaft breather hoses
- Replace the valve cover gaskets and check all ok inside
- Replace front ARBs
- Replace front ball joints
- Fit rear spring pads (nib 1) - lower the car a tad at the rear
- Replace coil leads x2
- Replace throttle cable
- Replace Idler arm bushing
- Replace centre drag link
- Replace tie rods x2
- Replace rear boot lid stops x4

That should make the car run, handle and stop much better. I'm loving this car though and have instantly bonded with it! I think I prefer the black paintwork to silver (even though black is more common) and the paint on this car is really nice. I will have to take the car through for wheel alignment once the suspension work is done.

The car is now wearing a set of Belang 18" 9.5J alloys all around - they look great! Hardly have any photos but once the car is back with me it'll go in for a really thorough clean, will update photos at that point :)

I attach a few photos of some of the parts going on along with some already fitted. Lastly, a few of the car as it stands:

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Cheers,

Bill
 
& finally a post about 'warts n all' - these are the cosmetic issues with the car as it stands. Most of it needs the stuff from Japan removing - waiting for a nice summer day where I can remove the seats, carpet etc, give everything a really good clean and take all the wiring out 2.gif

- Trunk stops worn (new ones are getting fitted as we speak)
- Leather peel on drivers door card
- Retrofitted air conditioner in rear shelf with poor switch mounting
- Rear console wood trim cracking
- Centre wood pieces also show slight cracking
- Radar detector fitted from Japan
- Aftermarket centre mirror
- Drivers mirror handle broken off
- Side indis letting water in
- Rear boot plastic has a crack
- CD changer fitted in passenger footwell

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Easy fixes I think and a very nice interior overall. More tlc needed but more of an ongoing WIP rather than sort it all at once.

Now that the alloys are graphite coloured I think a nice set of amber indicators/side repeaters/rear tail lights will break up the dark colour nicely.

Cheers,

Bill
 
Those new intake air tubes are really going to hold you in good stead. Keep that bonnet open and show those tubes off, and you'll be fighting battalions of ladies off in no time !!
 
You remind me of the PO of my car. :hugs::e500launch:

Keep up the good work again. Mercedes, & the future owner of this car loves you, as does the previous! :D
 
Hi Bill,

It looks like you have your work schedule planned for a while. I see you have new tie rods. I changed out mine about 2 years ago. The difference in handeling was over the top. You don't realize the wear and tear on these components (you just know it's not up to snuff) until you install new ones and get a proper alignment.

I didn't notice if you had the drag link and steering damper but you should replace them also along with that bushing on the right side of the drag link.

I also replaced all of the sway bar bushings.

After the alignment, it felt like I was driving a new car.

Keep after it.
 
Hi Bill,

It looks like you have your work schedule planned for a while. I see you have new tie rods. I changed out mine about 2 years ago. The difference in handeling was over the top. You don't realize the wear and tear on these components (you just know it's not up to snuff) until you install new ones and get a proper alignment.

I didn't notice if you had the drag link and steering damper but you should replace them also along with that bushing on the right side of the drag link.

I also replaced all of the sway bar bushings.

After the alignment, it felt like I was driving a new car.

Keep after it.

Thank you Terry for the comments. I will report back post wheel alignment. I am replacing the drag link but not the steering damper. Truth be told I completely forgot about it. But it's easy so swap out so I can have it done next time. I am also getting the sway bar bushes replaced at the front. Also would like to replace the rear ones to make the roll consistent.

I really do hope these changes make a notable difference on the driving experience. The car is nearly approaching 250,000km and felt very vague in the front.

Bill
 
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You have bought lots of the stuff I will be going for this winter when I get more time to work at the car.


Just one thing- don’t these cars have the Welded ball joint front lower arms? If so- I don’t think the front Balljoints are replaceable. (I’ve fallen foul of this myself) The whole arms have to be replaced- genuine MB only I think. They are right pricey buggers too.


GSXR will know for sure
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He does indeed know. If I remember correctly the Sportline arms have stiffer bushings and were not used on our cars. Early 500Es came with LCAs that had replaceable ball joints. Later cars have LCAs with integral non-replaceable ball joints. I believe the approximate break point was during the 93 MY.

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Just one thing- don’t these cars have the Welded ball joint front lower arms? If so- I don’t think the front Balljoints are replaceable. (I’ve fallen foul of this myself) The whole arms have to be replaced- genuine MB only I think. They are right pricey buggers too.
It depends: The early 500E's, through APPROXIMATELY chassis B930000 (actual chassis varied between regions, i.e. Europe and USA) used the LCA's with replaceable ball joints, because those would clear the 300x28mm rotors. These early LCA's are available aftermarket from Lemforder, or you can rebuild them with new bushings/BJ's (OE or Lemforder), if the LCA isn't rusty or otherwise questionable. The aftermarket LCA's are priced reasonably enough that it makes more sense to replace them.

The late 500E (post-VIN break) and all facelift E500 with the upgraded 320x30mm rotors use a different LCA with non-replaceable ball joints. The joints can last a very, very long time IF the rubber boot is intact and water/dirt has not entered the joint. If the joint is clean & tight, it can have some grease added and a new boot, along with new rubber bushings (OE or Lemforder) to effectively rebuild the LCA. There are NO good aftermarket LCA's of this type... it's genuine MB only, as you stated, and they are right pricey buggers. These are also required for the 334x32mm "silver arrow" Brembo front brake upgrade, if the car doesn't already have them.



If I remember correctly the Sportline arms have stiffer bushings and were not used on our cars. Early 500Es came with LCAs that had replaceable ball joints. Later cars have LCAs with integral non-replaceable ball joints. I believe he also knows the approximate break point which I believe is during the 93 MY.
Correct, Drew, the 124.036 never received the stiffer bushings - always wondered why, possibly because they do make the ride noticeably firmer/harsher. Break point was, I believe, around 03/1993 production and was B930494/B930495 for USA, B927760/B927761 for Japan and Europe.

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It depends: The early 500E's, through APPROXIMATELY chassis B930000 (actual chassis varied between regions, i.e. Europe and USA) used the LCA's with replaceable ball joints, because those would clear the 300x28mm rotors. These early LCA's are available aftermarket from Lemforder, or you can rebuild them with new bushings/BJ's (OE or Lemforder), if the LCA isn't rusty or otherwise questionable. The aftermarket LCA's are priced reasonably enough that it makes more sense to replace them.

The late 500E (post-VIN break) and all facelift E500 with the upgraded 320x30mm rotors use a different LCA with non-replaceable ball joints. The joints can last a very, very long time IF the rubber boot is intact and water/dirt has not entered the joint. If the joint is clean & tight, it can have some grease added and a new boot, along with new rubber bushings (OE or Lemforder) to effectively rebuild the LCA. There are NO good aftermarket LCA's of this type... it's genuine MB only, as you stated, and they are right pricey buggers. These are also required for the 334x32mm "silver arrow" Brembo front brake upgrade, if the car doesn't already have them.




Correct, Drew, the 124.036 never received the stiffer bushings - always wondered why, possibly because they do make the ride noticeably firmer/harsher. Break point was, I believe, around 03/1993 production and was B930494/B930495 for USA, B927760/B927761 for Japan and Europe.

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This is really surprising- but great news since I also have a new pair of ball joints on the shelf I couldn’t use before on my 300E-24. My 300E-24 is a 1990 car and it had the 4 Piston brakes up front. But it also had the welded ball joints :doh:

It’s curious that my 500E has the larger E500 brakes fitted- I think they changed the front lower arms at the same time. I had the car on a lift recently and was relieved to find both front control arms are in fine fettle. But I will check tomorrow to confirm if it has the later type LCA’s (I am pretty sure they were)- otherwise I wonder how they got the rotor’s to clear :detective:


Bill- just curious what’s that sewn in motif on the carpet in front of the rear wooden console? I had viewed 3 Japan import E500E’s in London recently- Pics attached. One of them was a £26k E500 Limited.


Another had that exact same extra wood trim as yours on the dash area (I don’t know if that is stock option or aftermarket)- and really cool door cards / handles. They were perforated leather with extra stitching in them and a branding of some sort- I think AMG. Same as the dash centre console it had extra leather stitching on it. Those cars are located right next to Wembley stadium. Too many problems for the asking prices though- the one I was looking at had Zero history and was missfiring badly (J760 MRL) so I walked away. It was also well warmed up before I got there which was another red flag.



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Those are floor mats are from Yanese. That is MB Japan. My car also has a Yanese bag with accessories in the boot and a fully stamped Yanese service history :) Japan supplied car from new.

Yes those motors are overpriced and a few of them have issues. I know that seller well - I was going to push the button on a white 500E from him a few years back but it was too modded and he wouldn't budge on the asking price.

As my car is a pre facelift it has the earlier, replaceable ball joints. The labour to change them is much more than the actual parts but you save £££ on buying new LCAs.
 
ship o hoi there

very nice your car tooooo,and nice to see some proper maintenance stuff going on
:)
cheeers from Norway :)
 
Right, time for an update on the old beast. Collected the car from Terry at WG Ltd in London on Saturday after having lots of work done - many thanks to Terry and his team for turning it around so quick and completing the work to a high standard - very happy so far but going to put the car through its paces soon as I only managed to drive it home!

First impressions - wow! Steering wise it feels like i'm driving a new car! Who would have thought a few rods, bushes, etc would have such a difference. Those with the older MB's I really recommend you change out these parts if you have no record of them being replaced because I'd bet they're pretty worn and need replacement. They really do change the character of the car.

I managed to miss the steering damper in my parts list so this was also changed over. The brakes were also replaced along with new fluid and hoses and although they need settling in you can immediately feel the difference in the pedal, pulls up nice and straight too. MB gave me the wrong front pads in the end so they'll be going back next weekend.

The only thing to note was that the rear suspension was slightly bodged - spring pads had been fitted both above and below the rear springs - presumably to bring the rear higher 1.gif1.gif1.gif This has now been corrected and the rear is lovely and compliant. The ride height also looks absolutely perfect.

I asked Terry to keep the old parts so will be taking photos so you can see the wear - some parts actually look ok on first glance however others look completely worn out/dangerous - will be putting up photos of the parts.

To finish it off, I had laser wheel alignment done on the way home. The rear was perfect but the front was miles off on toe. Now has been corrected and is dead straight. The car is running a slight camber but that is expected given the wheel and tyre combination, I am slightly concerned about the tyre wear on the insides so will be watching this as I have a fresh set of Michelin Sports on there and they're a fortune to replace.

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Few more jobs to tick off the list over the next year or so then i'll be completely happy with the car:

- New MB distributor caps, rotor arms and insulator seals
- Refit OEM backbox (waiting for the rubber mounts)
- Replace gearbox mount (easy part to change)
- Wire in the ASR defeat kit and mount switch
- Refinish the wood trims in the front console
- Refurbish alloys all around
- Replace the fan with electric fan
- Paint wiper arm, airbox cover and valve covers
- Professional detail

Any suggestions or comments welcome :agree:

Cheers,

Bill
 

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Cool Reg plate too.


What is the ASR defeat kit- is this something available aftermarket? I wondered if it was possible to fit a ASR switch from a W210 etc so it looks stock? Replace that snow chain switch with the ASR / off switch. The 500E ASR works great but the occasional tyre smoke is tempting I got to admit .....

Also for the wheels if you are getting them re-furbed I like that dark matt graphite colour- so keep that but get the front face diamond cut on the wheels too. Would look pretty mean!
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Bill,

Your car looks amazing. IMOP Black on Black is the coolest color on the 500E. I really like your EVOs I assume they are 17s and you say you have new Michelins. Are they the Super Sports? That's a great tire. I have the staggered 245 - 275/18 Super Sports on my car and they improved my ride by 100% over the old Michelin Pilots from the last generation. Yours being 17" ( I think?) would even ride better. I wouldn't worry to much about the rear camber wearing the inside edges out unless your car is lowered.

My first set of Pilots went 25K miles and still had tread on the inside edge. In fact they still had a lot of tread. I just got tired of the hard ride and road noise. They were 255-285/18s. My current set is over 15K miles and still look very good. I think tire pressure has a lot to do with the wear. I usually run 33-34psi in the fronts a drop the rears down by 2psi. I think that helps spread out the tire footprint on the rears. Some people run higher pressures I just try to avoid pot holes. I guess it's a choice.

I told you that it would feel like a brand new car after you changed the front end bits and the new tires just made it that much better.

Take Care
 
What is the ASR defeat kit- is this something available aftermarket? I wondered if it was possible to fit a ASR switch from a W210 etc so it looks stock? Replace that snow chain switch with the ASR / off switch. The 500E ASR works great but the occasional tyre smoke is tempting I got to admit .....

The ASR Defeat basically turns the traction control off, it's more than just a switch. You have to open the CAN, cut 3 wires and install 3 relays to turn on/off the traction control. You'll need an on/off switch from the rear dome light will do and a ASR cover from a 129 or 210 to blend in.
What I just wrote is a very simple description of what needs to be done. RennTECH made a kit 15 years ago or so, I have probably the last NOS one, and there are instructions are on 2Phasts excellent site. I made a "plug in" kit for myself using all Mercedes parts from the period.
Dave's W124Performance site also has a lot of info.

Kind Regards,

Ron
 
Looks great. What wheels are those...love 'em! The stance looks perfect too :-)
 
Victor sport line steering wheel is a unicorn. Well done scoring that. Wheels look good!
 
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Cool Reg plate too.


What is the ASR defeat kit- is this something available aftermarket? I wondered if it was possible to fit a ASR switch from a W210 etc so it looks stock? Replace that snow chain switch with the ASR / off switch. The 500E ASR works great but the occasional tyre smoke is tempting I got to admit .....

Also for the wheels if you are getting them re-furbed I like that dark matt graphite colour- so keep that but get the front face diamond cut on the wheels too. Would look pretty mean!
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Thanks Joe. As above, the ASR defeat switches off the ASR. Martin off this forum made a kit so it can easily be retrofitted. I am not handy with soldering etc so I will have to get someone else to fit it.

I have purchased a centre console wood with the relevant cut outs so hoping to mount it up there.

The refurb will certainly be in a similar colour to what they are now, I just want them to be perfect all around.
 
Bill,

Your car looks amazing. IMOP Black on Black is the coolest color on the 500E. I really like your EVOs I assume they are 17s and you say you have new Michelins. Are they the Super Sports? That's a great tire. I have the staggered 245 - 275/18 Super Sports on my car and they improved my ride by 100% over the old Michelin Pilots from the last generation. Yours being 17" ( I think?) would even ride better. I wouldn't worry to much about the rear camber wearing the inside edges out unless your car is lowered.

My first set of Pilots went 25K miles and still had tread on the inside edge. In fact they still had a lot of tread. I just got tired of the hard ride and road noise. They were 255-285/18s. My current set is over 15K miles and still look very good. I think tire pressure has a lot to do with the wear. I usually run 33-34psi in the fronts a drop the rears down by 2psi. I think that helps spread out the tire footprint on the rears. Some people run higher pressures I just try to avoid pot holes. I guess it's a choice.

I told you that it would feel like a brand new car after you changed the front end bits and the new tires just made it that much better.

Take Care

Thanks Terry. They are actually Belang 18" alloys on 245/45 and 275/40 ZR rated Michelin tyres. The grip is fantastic and I can really put the power down without the ASR kicking in too much. I am running roughly 35psi all around with a slight camber.

As they are 18's the ride is a little harsh but soaked up nicely with the Bilsteins I have fitted. I suppose a suspension refresh wouldn't do amiss as it is apparent the suspension has some wear when driving hard or very fast.
 
Right time for an update, going to the Benz on the Green car show tomorrow however my car has begun misfiring - very slight but it almost felt like it was going to cut out when taking a turn today which made me worried. Probably still take it tomorrow as I've hardly driven it in 2 weeks and its been sitting out in the rain so probably needs a good run. Weather has been odd recently, raining then hot weather so I guess the moisture has built up.

I've replaced a few parts but the only thing I've not touched are the dizzy caps and rotor arms, today I've ordered new MB parts (£330 shipped) along with the seal rings for the insulators. Insulator part price is horrendous (and they can't be cleaned - just over £100 a part) but keen to know if I can solve misfiring issues without changing them (i.e. no point replacing them as a wear and tear item, especially at that price).

I have already replaced plugs, cables, coil leads etc. and the car was running perfectly up until recently. Caps and arms were actually completely knackered when I bought the car but the seller replaced them with a set of an 500SL he had sitting around on the morning of collection along with the FPR. This solved practically all issues the car had. I am looking forward to getting the new parts fitted. M119 is notorious for misfiring - real PITA to suffer from this issue!

Cheers,

Bill
 
Keep in mind that opening up the spark plug gap from spec of 0.8mm to about 1.0mm can help with the intermittent hot idle misfire. Also stick with non-resistor Bosch F8DC4 plugs, or equivalent... these cars aren't happy with anything else! With all the new ignition parts it should idle beautifully...

:shocking:
 
Keep in mind that opening up the spark plug gap from spec of 0.8mm to about 1.0mm can help with the intermittent hot idle misfire. Also stick with non-resistor Bosch F8DC4 plugs, or equivalent... these cars aren't happy with anything else! With all the new ignition parts it should idle beautifully...

:shocking:

Correct MB plugs Dave but have not checked the gap, just installed. Idle issue at cold too.
 
Right guys time for an update. Few bits bought, new distributor caps, rotor arms and insulator seals from MB, hope this cures my misfire issue. I also have bought new exhaust hangers (with a pair of spares) as I am putting the standard back box on this weekend and a new pair of orange indicators as I lost one on the motorway the other day. The 'to do' list on the car is getting shorter now and I'm really seeing some progress with the car which is lovely.

I have removed some of the Japanese aftermarket rubbish from the interior and cleaned some of the stickers off the windows etc. so the car is now looking quite nice. The car will be going in for paint over the next few weeks for a few small things (painting air box, refinishing the brake calipers, refurbishing the alloys, etc.) so should be much more presentable by the time it comes out. My speakers are still dead but going to open up the wiring today and see what's going on.

More recently the rear view mirror has cracked and broken so is loose (friend has kindly supplied a replacement) and the headliner is coming off. Can't get one from MB anymore so going to make-shift glue it for now. I guess given that the MB one isn't around I will have to go with a re-trim.

Debating whether to fit my Lorinser boot lid with brake light - thoughts???

Anyway here are a few photos of the parts that have arrived. More pictures over the weekend when the old parts come out.

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Cheers,

Bill
 
Original backbox cleaned up and fitted. Distributor caps, rotor arms and insulator seals installed. I was not keen on one of the insulators though, it looked very worn. Car is nice and smooth now but found moisture in one of the caps and moisture and oil in the other cap when I removed the originals - any ideas? Hopefully the new seals sorts this. Rotor arms had cracks through the middle! Speakers also fixed, the hook for the speaker was scraping on the body and shorting. Very odd. Taped up and repositioned, works fine now.

Glad I replaced the lot, with the original muffler fitted the car runs so quiet and smooth.

I do however have a few annoyances of late, tracking is off for some reason now, pulling to the left despite having it done recently - we could potentially have fit this aftermarket steering wrong (i.e.tracking was well off when we fitted it) so it might need to be taken off and repositioned. Might give that a shot but letting go of the steering while driving and it just goes to the left. Lots of other jobs to do:

- Replace gearbox mount (easy part to change)
- Wire in the ASR defeat kit and mount switch
- Refinish the wood trims in the front console
- Refurbish alloys all around
- Paint wiper arms, airbox cover lettering and valve covers
- Professional detail/polish

Feels like once I get a few jobs out the way, more come along to haunt me!!! Very frustrating but hey ho. I will be relocating soon so I'll get the car garaged and forget about it for a few years - hoping to get another MB of course but something modern - i'd love a G55. Values are only going one way so I hope it'll appreciate over time. I will get the paintwork and wheels refurbished though before I go.

Cheers

Bill
 
If the car is pulling to the left despite having a recent alignment, it's most likely one of these three issues:

1) Uneven tire wear: Try a different set of wheels/tires if possible, or maybe swapping tires front/rear, or left/right

2) Road crown: is the pull always the same on every road, and in different lanes on a multi-lane highway?

3) Alignment incorrect: Could be the alignment wasn't done correctly. Was it done at the MB dealer, and do you have the printout showing before & after numbers?

:detective:
 
If the car is pulling to the left despite having a recent alignment, it's most likely one of these three issues:

1) Uneven tire wear: Try a different set of wheels/tires if possible, or maybe swapping tires front/rear, or left/right

2) Road crown: is the pull always the same on every road, and in different lanes on a multi-lane highway?

3) Alignment incorrect: Could be the alignment wasn't done correctly. Was it done at the MB dealer, and do you have the printout showing before & after numbers?

:detective:
Dave,

Cheers for that. I think a part of the problem was the steering itself. We recently swapped it over and I think it wasn't lined up correctly. Corrected it now and it's cured most of the issue. There is still a slight pull to the left.

Tyres are recent Michelin pilot sports so I doubt it's that.

Wheel alignment was not done at a MB main dealer. I do have the before and after print outs so I will share those with you. It would be good to have a second opinion. The shop used the 300E 3.4 AMG as a guide for factory settings, would you know if the 500E had the same settings as other W124s?

Regards

Bill
 
Road crown/camber on UK roads is quite severe. In most cases you'll get a slight pull to the left particularly in Mercs. Not easy to explain why this is with Mercs but if you speak with Tony Bones at Wheels in Motion he may be able to help. Read here: http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/mercedes-pulling-problems.php

Regardless whether your steering wheel is off-centre or not when you fitted it this is of no relevance. The car should still drive straight without holding the steering wheel if indeed the alignment was done correctly! Removing it and lining it up straight will not cure the pull. In fact this is a no no with any decent alignment centre.

Oil and moisture in your caps this time of the year is not a good sign. Keep an eye on 'em after fitting new rubber seals, otherwise you may have to fork out for the actual insulators that sit under the rotors - expensive buggers these hence most owners turn a blind eye.
 
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Road crown/camber on UK roads is quite severe. In most cases you'll get a slight pull to the left particularly in Mercs. Not easy to explain why this is with Mercs but if you speak with Tony Bones at Wheels in Motion he may be able to help. Read here: http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/mercedes-pulling-problems.php

Regardless whether your steering wheel is off-centre or not when you fitted it this is of no relevance. The car should still drive straight without holding the steering wheel if indeed the alignment was done correctly! Removing it and lining it up straight will not cure the pull. In fact this is a no no with any decent alignment centre.

Oil and moisture in your caps this time of the year is not a good sign. Keep an eye on 'em after fitting new rubber seals, otherwise you may have to fork out for the actual insulators that sit under the rotors - expensive buggers these hence most owners turn a blind eye.

Cheers pal. I did not adjust the steering to cure it, my view is that it was not fitted correctly in the first place. Thanks for that contact - I may speak to them and go from there. I will get the tracking results up first and see if anyone can make sense out of it.
 

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